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smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
December 18 2012 23:52 GMT
#1421
Oh man, theres a few skins that I want from the legacy batch

Toxic Mundo
Nottingham Ezreal
Mr. Mundoverse
Leopard Nidalee
Angler Jax
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GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
December 19 2012 00:00 GMT
#1422
Whats taking them so long to put ranked back up?
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
December 19 2012 00:01 GMT
#1423
On December 19 2012 08:50 Sermokala wrote:
http://www.riotgames.com/our-games

Riots new site says "our games" as if they have more then one. Maybe they announce a new one soon? The rest of the site is really cool as well.


Saintvicious mentioned in his 'Grilled' interview that Riot are working on other games and that they aim to have all their games "esports viable".

http://www.aceresport.com/uk/content/244.htm
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
December 19 2012 00:01 GMT
#1424
On December 19 2012 08:50 Sermokala wrote:
http://www.riotgames.com/our-games

Riots new site says "our games" as if they have more then one. Maybe they announce a new one soon? The rest of the site is really cool as well.

According to a rioter on the reddit post, they've always pluralized "games" on their website.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
December 19 2012 00:04 GMT
#1425
I was considering getting Safari Cait, but I don't know if I can just leave my Resitance Cait in the dust.

Don't care for the rest of the skins, either I don't play the champion they are for, I have a better skin for them (Hillbilly gragas > scuba, Battleborn kayle > unmasked), or I bought the skin before it went legacy (Emerald taric, scorpion shen)
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 19 2012 00:05 GMT
#1426
On December 19 2012 08:30 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:
Sweet the sale of retired skins has begun today!


I would have gotten Safari Caitlyn if it was 260 instead. Too bad. That's like the only skin out of that list that I am interested in.

Professor Ryze! Masquerade Evelyn! Angler Jax!
?

(Got 1k RP sitting there for no reason that I'd only use on skins, and I prob wouldn't use it on a 975 skin, so... Ryze+Eve skins I guess?)

On December 19 2012 08:44 Sufficiency wrote:
I think Riot would have sold a lot more if they used these splashes instead:


Lots of pictures:

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Eve and Caitlyn are worse. No smug look + cup of tea for Caitlyn, and Eve's back... x_o
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Rookie6
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 00:06:51
December 19 2012 00:06 GMT
#1427
Mr. Mundoverse! Yes!

oh and Masquerade Evelynn ^^
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
December 19 2012 00:08 GMT
#1428
On December 19 2012 08:34 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 07:52 Requizen wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:51 57 Corvette wrote:
T_T
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How's Sejuani nowadays?

She is a decent amumu alternative, but they still are too scared to actually make the changes she needs in order to be a top pick because of how deadly she could be simply based on her kit.

The main problem is you need to max BOTH Q and E as soon as possible (Q for the CD, E for the damage and slow %), while her W scales pretty badly with levels, but awesomely with health, which you cant actually stack early on.

I've found that since release the best way to go about building her is to grab a point in everything by level 3, then maxing her E for ganks, then her Q for the CD.

Ideally, you dont want to actually get W until level 3, because it doesnt help at all in a level 2 gank, and if you grab blue spamming E is actually about as effective as using W.

The benefit she does have is the new items are all boss for her. Grabbing health and resists is so easy with the new items.

But what she really needs is a massive slice off the CD on her level 1 Q, and to adjust her W to make it more reasonable as the 1 point wonder that it really is.



Coming from the PoV of a guy who plays Sej pretty often, you need W at level 1 (Wolves and blue are a royal pain in the ass without em), and level 2 W makes clearing red easier, but you can leave it there in favour of getting E a little earlier. Always max E first obviously, most of the time though I end up maxing W before Q, mostly because I am farming a bunch rather than ganking. I can see why maxing Q before W would be better, but I just can't seem to remember that in game. Oh well.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
December 19 2012 00:09 GMT
#1429
pharao mumu
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
December 19 2012 00:12 GMT
#1430
On December 19 2012 08:52 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Oh man, theres a few skins that I want from the legacy batch

Toxic Mundo
Nottingham Ezreal
Mr. Mundoverse
Leopard Nidalee
Angler Jax


Agreed!

Also add Vizier Malzahar to that list!
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 00:41:42
December 19 2012 00:15 GMT
#1431
On December 19 2012 08:49 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 08:34 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:52 Requizen wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:51 57 Corvette wrote:
T_T
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

How's Sejuani nowadays?

She is a decent amumu alternative, but they still are too scared to actually make the changes she needs in order to be a top pick because of how deadly she could be simply based on her kit.

The main problem is you need to max BOTH Q and E as soon as possible (Q for the CD, E for the damage and slow %), while her W scales pretty badly with levels, but awesomely with health, which you cant actually stack early on.

I've found that since release the best way to go about building her is to grab a point in everything by level 3, then maxing her E for ganks, then her Q for the CD.

Ideally, you dont want to actually get W until level 3, because it doesnt help at all in a level 2 gank, and if you grab blue spamming E is actually about as effective as using W.

The benefit she does have is the new items are all boss for her. Grabbing health and resists is so easy with the new items.

But what she really needs is a massive slice off the CD on her level 1 Q, and to adjust her W to make it more reasonable as the 1 point wonder that it really is.



I challenge the bolded assertion. I will examine two scenarios. First I will examine a first clear scenario (e.g. only Rank 1 in each ability). Then, I will examine clearing at Level 9. For the purposes of this exercise I will ignore any factors which affect both abilities equally (e.g. Machete's damage amplification).

At level 1 with nothing other than Durability and Veteran's Scars, Sejuani will have 571 Health. With Frost on her primary target, this will deal 18(+1.5% Maximum Health) damage every second for 6 seconds. This totals 159 damage. This is more than two and a half times the damage that Permafrost does. Given that Permafrost's cooldown is actually one second longer, it is mathematically impossible for it to be "about as effective".

At level 9 with no health items whatsoever, Sejuani will have 1267 Health. Rank 1 Northern Winds will deal 222 damage to a target with Frost, and Rank 5 Permafrost will deal 260 damage every 11 seconds. Rank 5 Northern Winds will deal 624 damage to a target with Frost. Again, it's mathematically impossible for Permafrost to be "about as effective", even if you're also using rank 1 Northern Winds.

The fact of the matter is that maxing anything other than W first will result in slower clearing. That's not to say you should max W first, but that it's inaccurate to claim that there's no significant different between W and E when it comes to clearing.

Damage and speed is less, but spaming E isnt gonna get you killed by red, which is what I meant by about as effective. Its gonna still let you jungle. Plus you can spam off 2 E's, which you cant do with W (standing for a full 12 seconds vs standing still for .5)

Plus, this is T_D talking FFS. If you dont expect SOME level of hyperbole...

On December 19 2012 09:08 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 08:34 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:52 Requizen wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:51 57 Corvette wrote:
T_T
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

How's Sejuani nowadays?

She is a decent amumu alternative, but they still are too scared to actually make the changes she needs in order to be a top pick because of how deadly she could be simply based on her kit.

The main problem is you need to max BOTH Q and E as soon as possible (Q for the CD, E for the damage and slow %), while her W scales pretty badly with levels, but awesomely with health, which you cant actually stack early on.

I've found that since release the best way to go about building her is to grab a point in everything by level 3, then maxing her E for ganks, then her Q for the CD.

Ideally, you dont want to actually get W until level 3, because it doesnt help at all in a level 2 gank, and if you grab blue spamming E is actually about as effective as using W.

The benefit she does have is the new items are all boss for her. Grabbing health and resists is so easy with the new items.

But what she really needs is a massive slice off the CD on her level 1 Q, and to adjust her W to make it more reasonable as the 1 point wonder that it really is.



Coming from the PoV of a guy who plays Sej pretty often, you need W at level 1 (Wolves and blue are a royal pain in the ass without em), and level 2 W makes clearing red easier, but you can leave it there in favour of getting E a little earlier. Always max E first obviously, most of the time though I end up maxing W before Q, mostly because I am farming a bunch rather than ganking. I can see why maxing Q before W would be better, but I just can't seem to remember that in game. Oh well.

Level 1 you should have a buddy helping you do wolves/wraiths anyway, and you still will have plenty of time to finish those and do blue. If it was still back in old jungle where Sej went regrowth+1 pot, then I would be more inclined to agree with you. But with a hatchet and 5 pots, you can afford to take damage and burn an extra pot in favor of being able to gank level 2.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
December 19 2012 00:31 GMT
#1432
I just wanna play ranked why is it still down ;_;
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
December 19 2012 00:33 GMT
#1433
On December 19 2012 09:31 Perplex wrote:
I just wanna play ranked why is it still down ;_;

I accidentally dunked too hard with Jarvan and broke the ranked machine.
3.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
December 19 2012 00:38 GMT
#1434
got nottingham ezreal
first game went 0-7 as AP ez mid LOL
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 00:43:30
December 19 2012 00:42 GMT
#1435
On December 19 2012 09:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 08:49 Seuss wrote:
On December 19 2012 08:34 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:52 Requizen wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:51 57 Corvette wrote:
T_T
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

How's Sejuani nowadays?

She is a decent amumu alternative, but they still are too scared to actually make the changes she needs in order to be a top pick because of how deadly she could be simply based on her kit.

The main problem is you need to max BOTH Q and E as soon as possible (Q for the CD, E for the damage and slow %), while her W scales pretty badly with levels, but awesomely with health, which you cant actually stack early on.

I've found that since release the best way to go about building her is to grab a point in everything by level 3, then maxing her E for ganks, then her Q for the CD.

Ideally, you dont want to actually get W until level 3, because it doesnt help at all in a level 2 gank, and if you grab blue spamming E is actually about as effective as using W.

The benefit she does have is the new items are all boss for her. Grabbing health and resists is so easy with the new items.

But what she really needs is a massive slice off the CD on her level 1 Q, and to adjust her W to make it more reasonable as the 1 point wonder that it really is.



I challenge the bolded assertion. I will examine two scenarios. First I will examine a first clear scenario (e.g. only Rank 1 in each ability). Then, I will examine clearing at Level 9. For the purposes of this exercise I will ignore any factors which affect both abilities equally (e.g. Machete's damage amplification).

At level 1 with nothing other than Durability and Veteran's Scars, Sejuani will have 571 Health. With Frost on her primary target, this will deal 18(+1.5% Maximum Health) damage every second for 6 seconds. This totals 159 damage. This is more than two and a half times the damage that Permafrost does. Given that Permafrost's cooldown is actually one second longer, it is mathematically impossible for it to be "about as effective".

At level 9 with no health items whatsoever, Sejuani will have 1267 Health. Rank 1 Northern Winds will deal 222 damage to a target with Frost, and Rank 5 Permafrost will deal 260 damage every 11 seconds. Rank 5 Northern Winds will deal 624 damage to a target with Frost. Again, it's mathematically impossible for Permafrost to be "about as effective", even if you're also using rank 1 Northern Winds.

The fact of the matter is that maxing anything other than W first will result in slower clearing. That's not to say you should max W first, but that it's inaccurate to claim that there's no significant different between W and E when it comes to clearing.

Damage and speed is less, but spaming E isnt gonna get you killed by red, which is what I meant by about as effective. Its gonna still let you jungle. Plus you can spam off 2 E's, which you cant do with W (standing for a full 12 seconds vs standing still for .5)


That's kind of like comparing a Model T and a Lamborghini and saying they're "about as effective" because both will get you to the grocery store down the street. You're omitting some very important information and if you were a car salesman in my employ I'd fire you on the spot. In a discussion of effective methods of jungling (or any facet of LoL for that matter) being so vague and wishy-washy is a cardinal sin.

Also, even if a creep lasts exactly 11 seconds so you only get 1 W off you still do more damage, and it's all done 5 seconds sooner (that's the more than two and a half times the damage part).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17273 Posts
December 19 2012 01:06 GMT
#1436
At least you can fit rims on jungle Cho.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 01:13:02
December 19 2012 01:11 GMT
#1437
On December 19 2012 09:42 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 09:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 19 2012 08:49 Seuss wrote:
On December 19 2012 08:34 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:52 Requizen wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:51 57 Corvette wrote:
T_T
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

How's Sejuani nowadays?

She is a decent amumu alternative, but they still are too scared to actually make the changes she needs in order to be a top pick because of how deadly she could be simply based on her kit.

The main problem is you need to max BOTH Q and E as soon as possible (Q for the CD, E for the damage and slow %), while her W scales pretty badly with levels, but awesomely with health, which you cant actually stack early on.

I've found that since release the best way to go about building her is to grab a point in everything by level 3, then maxing her E for ganks, then her Q for the CD.

Ideally, you dont want to actually get W until level 3, because it doesnt help at all in a level 2 gank, and if you grab blue spamming E is actually about as effective as using W.

The benefit she does have is the new items are all boss for her. Grabbing health and resists is so easy with the new items.

But what she really needs is a massive slice off the CD on her level 1 Q, and to adjust her W to make it more reasonable as the 1 point wonder that it really is.



I challenge the bolded assertion. I will examine two scenarios. First I will examine a first clear scenario (e.g. only Rank 1 in each ability). Then, I will examine clearing at Level 9. For the purposes of this exercise I will ignore any factors which affect both abilities equally (e.g. Machete's damage amplification).

At level 1 with nothing other than Durability and Veteran's Scars, Sejuani will have 571 Health. With Frost on her primary target, this will deal 18(+1.5% Maximum Health) damage every second for 6 seconds. This totals 159 damage. This is more than two and a half times the damage that Permafrost does. Given that Permafrost's cooldown is actually one second longer, it is mathematically impossible for it to be "about as effective".

At level 9 with no health items whatsoever, Sejuani will have 1267 Health. Rank 1 Northern Winds will deal 222 damage to a target with Frost, and Rank 5 Permafrost will deal 260 damage every 11 seconds. Rank 5 Northern Winds will deal 624 damage to a target with Frost. Again, it's mathematically impossible for Permafrost to be "about as effective", even if you're also using rank 1 Northern Winds.

The fact of the matter is that maxing anything other than W first will result in slower clearing. That's not to say you should max W first, but that it's inaccurate to claim that there's no significant different between W and E when it comes to clearing.

Damage and speed is less, but spaming E isnt gonna get you killed by red, which is what I meant by about as effective. Its gonna still let you jungle. Plus you can spam off 2 E's, which you cant do with W (standing for a full 12 seconds vs standing still for .5)


That's kind of like comparing a Model T and a Lamborghini and saying they're "about as effective" because both will get you to the grocery store down the street. You're omitting some very important information and if you were a car salesman in my employ I'd fire you on the spot. In a discussion of effective methods of jungling (or any facet of LoL for that matter) being so vague and wishy-washy is a cardinal sin.

Also, even if a creep lasts exactly 11 seconds so you only get 1 W off you still do more damage, and it's all done 5 seconds sooner (that's the more than two and a half times the damage part).

The point is that they WILL get you down the street though. If the only goal is to get you to the grocery store, it doesnt matter what kind of car it is, so long as it gets you there.

The goal on Sej is to get through the jungle so she can gank. It doesnt matter if she uses E or W, she can get through the jungle and gank.

Maxing W first is a non starter because it is useless in a gank scenario. If getting to the grocery store is all I care about, why does it matter that a Lambo can go 120 miles an hour when I cant actually ever make use of it effectively. Max W Sej is still gonna be slower than other junglers, and will be pretty useless in a gank.

In discussing effective methods of jungling (or any facet of LoL for that matter) realizing the overall reason you pick a champion is the most important thing when discussing how to build or play that champion. It isnt being vague OR wishy washy to say that E will get you through the jungle, because it will.

Who cares that Annie has a really sick autoattack range. You aint gonna use her as an AD carry.

Who cares that maxing W can deal a little bit more damage to creeps. You aint gonna use her as a farming jungler.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
December 19 2012 01:21 GMT
#1438
Can't decide between badger teemo and pharoh amumu
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 19 2012 01:29 GMT
#1439
On December 19 2012 10:21 HeroHenry wrote:
Can't decide between badger teemo and pharoh amumu

If you buy a teemo skin, somewhere in the world a kitten dies.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
December 19 2012 01:36 GMT
#1440
On December 19 2012 08:34 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 07:52 Requizen wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:51 57 Corvette wrote:
T_T
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

How's Sejuani nowadays?

She is a decent amumu alternative, but they still are too scared to actually make the changes she needs in order to be a top pick because of how deadly she could be simply based on her kit.


There was a thread on the official forums where a rioter was like "Yo, Sejuani...what do you like, what do you hate, what would you like to see changed?" got over 50 pages of feedback.
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