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tokicheese
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada739 Posts
December 18 2012 23:10 GMT
#1401
44 minutes wait to log on wtf D:
t༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ށ
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 18 2012 23:13 GMT
#1402
On December 19 2012 08:10 tokicheese wrote:
44 minutes wait to log on wtf D:

I miss the your position in queue is over 9000. Seeing 20,0000 is sad. 1hr 14minutes.
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
December 18 2012 23:20 GMT
#1403
10 minute queue like a boss.

I had the idea of putting a little bit of Tenacity on an aura item (like 5%) that would stack with the other tenacity items, Miracle maybes?
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 18 2012 23:24 GMT
#1404
Sweet the sale of retired skins has begun today!
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
December 18 2012 23:28 GMT
#1405
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2012/12/legacy-skin-sale-is-live.html#more

apparently why na went down not sure if true
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
December 18 2012 23:28 GMT
#1406
On December 19 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:
Sweet the sale of retired skins has begun today!


I guess that means that Magnificent TF is at the price point it should have been from the beginning.

/bitter MTF owner.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 18 2012 23:30 GMT
#1407
On December 19 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:
Sweet the sale of retired skins has begun today!


I would have gotten Safari Caitlyn if it was 260 instead. Too bad. That's like the only skin out of that list that I am interested in.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 23:33:59
December 18 2012 23:31 GMT
#1408
On December 19 2012 07:58 Amarok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 07:50 sob3k wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:42 Amarok wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:35 Requizen wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:30 Inschato wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:22 Phrost wrote:
I thought elisa's gave tenacity... imho if it had that again it'd be worth buying

I think if they put an actual useful stat on an item that up and disappears it would be broken. Like, if it had Tenacity on it right now, no one would buy any of the other tenacity items ever (except manaless champions maybe.)

Well, that's an issue with the "disappearing item" design as it is. If it's good, anyone who wants the stat (in the case of Tenacity, pretty much everyone unless the enemy team has no CC) will buy it. If the stats aren't good (low amounts of regen, for instance, or CDR on Summoners that many people don't take) then it's pointless to get.

Imagine if there was like an AD or AP one. I mean, damn.


It would still come down to whether the item was gold efficient. A gold inefficient item is going to put you behind no matter whether the stats are useful or not, and slot efficiency is absolutely worthless if you have open slots which is usually going to be the case prior to the 40 minute mark.


Sure, but there are plenty of situations where its fine to put yourself behind in order to gain an advantage later in the game. Playing Vayne for example. Also securing an advantage and then sacrificing part of it (hopefully not all of it) for later benefit is a common and good strategy


Which would be fine. Depending on how inefficient it was, it would become a situationally strong item with an element of risk involved in the purchase. I think that would (or at least could) be balanced, not broken.


The concept strikes me as inadequate. If League of Legends is lacking meaningful itemization choices to aim for a late-game timing, then this idea is a nifty band-aid (but a band-aid nonetheless). It's the sort of change that by itself is mostly harmless, but inevitably changes are going to be layered on top which use it as their foundation. Over time, you inevitably have so many layers of "harmless" changes that you've codified a systemic problem and fixing it is going to be a nightmare.

Essentially, your system starts to look like a lengthy and disorganized family tree.

If League of Legends needs more meaningful itemization choices to differentiate mid-game semicarries and late-game carries, disappearing items is not a sufficient solution.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
December 18 2012 23:32 GMT
#1409
On December 19 2012 08:28 Amarok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:
Sweet the sale of retired skins has begun today!


I guess that means that Magnificent TF is at the price point it should have been from the beginning.

/bitter MTF owner.


apperently riot have refunded some poeple the difference in price if you bought it at original - i cant confirm/deny this
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 18 2012 23:33 GMT
#1410
High Noon Twisted Fate is the best TF skin. Who cares about MTF.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 18 2012 23:34 GMT
#1411
On December 19 2012 07:52 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 07:51 57 Corvette wrote:
T_T
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How's Sejuani nowadays?

She is a decent amumu alternative, but they still are too scared to actually make the changes she needs in order to be a top pick because of how deadly she could be simply based on her kit.

The main problem is you need to max BOTH Q and E as soon as possible (Q for the CD, E for the damage and slow %), while her W scales pretty badly with levels, but awesomely with health, which you cant actually stack early on.

I've found that since release the best way to go about building her is to grab a point in everything by level 3, then maxing her E for ganks, then her Q for the CD.

Ideally, you dont want to actually get W until level 3, because it doesnt help at all in a level 2 gank, and if you grab blue spamming E is actually about as effective as using W.

The benefit she does have is the new items are all boss for her. Grabbing health and resists is so easy with the new items.

But what she really needs is a massive slice off the CD on her level 1 Q, and to adjust her W to make it more reasonable as the 1 point wonder that it really is.

"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
December 18 2012 23:38 GMT
#1412
On December 19 2012 08:30 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:
Sweet the sale of retired skins has begun today!


I would have gotten Safari Caitlyn if it was 260 instead. Too bad. That's like the only skin out of that list that I am interested in.


Always liked Annie in Wonderland, so I'm probably going to grab that. Feral Warwick is actually my favorite WW skin but I already own it and Red Baron Corki would be worth it if I didn't already have UFO.

Sasquatch Nunu turns him into a DK lookalike so if you want a cheap Nunu skin I'd recommend it. TF aside the cheap legendaries are probably worth it if you like the champion and want a skin for them.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 18 2012 23:40 GMT
#1413
On December 19 2012 08:33 Sufficiency wrote:
High Noon Twisted Fate is the best TF skin. Who cares about MTF.


PAX aside, I think Swashbuckler TF is pretty gud. jiji uses Underworld nowadays. ;o
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Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 23:41:29
December 18 2012 23:41 GMT
#1414
On December 19 2012 08:32 samthesaluki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 08:28 Amarok wrote:
On December 19 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:
Sweet the sale of retired skins has begun today!


I guess that means that Magnificent TF is at the price point it should have been from the beginning.

/bitter MTF owner.


apperently riot have refunded some poeple the difference in price if you bought it at original - i cant confirm/deny this


Oh wow, that would be sweet. I'll be contacting support about this. Cheers for the info.

Honestly I'd probably prefer the RP back entirely and purchase High Noon TF (agree that it's the best TF skin). Magnificent TF is altogether lackluster.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
jtbem
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1404 Posts
December 18 2012 23:44 GMT
#1415
ya riot refunded 910 RP for ppl that bought the skins at original price....2 short from 975 rp <_>
aka Sowelulol
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 18 2012 23:44 GMT
#1416
I think Riot would have sold a lot more if they used these splashes instead:


Lots of pictures:

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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 18 2012 23:45 GMT
#1417
Chinese Annie too cute.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 18 2012 23:47 GMT
#1418
On December 19 2012 08:45 NeoIllusions wrote:
Chinese Annie too cute.


ikr?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 23:56:01
December 18 2012 23:49 GMT
#1419
On December 19 2012 08:34 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 07:52 Requizen wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:51 57 Corvette wrote:
T_T
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

How's Sejuani nowadays?

She is a decent amumu alternative, but they still are too scared to actually make the changes she needs in order to be a top pick because of how deadly she could be simply based on her kit.

The main problem is you need to max BOTH Q and E as soon as possible (Q for the CD, E for the damage and slow %), while her W scales pretty badly with levels, but awesomely with health, which you cant actually stack early on.

I've found that since release the best way to go about building her is to grab a point in everything by level 3, then maxing her E for ganks, then her Q for the CD.

Ideally, you dont want to actually get W until level 3, because it doesnt help at all in a level 2 gank, and if you grab blue spamming E is actually about as effective as using W.

The benefit she does have is the new items are all boss for her. Grabbing health and resists is so easy with the new items.

But what she really needs is a massive slice off the CD on her level 1 Q, and to adjust her W to make it more reasonable as the 1 point wonder that it really is.



I challenge the bolded assertion. I will examine two scenarios. First I will examine a first clear scenario (e.g. only Rank 1 in each ability). Then, I will examine clearing at Level 9. For the purposes of this exercise I will ignore any factors which affect both abilities equally (e.g. Machete's damage amplification).

At level 1 with nothing other than Durability and Veteran's Scars, Sejuani will have 571 Health. With Frost on her primary target, this will deal 18(+1.5% Maximum Health) damage every second for 6 seconds. This totals 159 damage. This is more than two and a half times the damage that Permafrost does. Given that Permafrost's cooldown is actually one second longer, it is mathematically impossible for it to be "about as effective".

At level 9 with no health items whatsoever, Sejuani will have 1267 Health. Rank 1 Northern Winds will deal 222 damage to a target with Frost, and Rank 5 Permafrost will deal 260 damage every 11 seconds. Rank 5 Northern Winds will deal 624 damage to a target with Frost. Again, it's mathematically impossible for Permafrost to be "about as effective", even if you're also using rank 1 Northern Winds.

The fact of the matter is that maxing anything other than W first will result in slower clearing. That's not to say you should max W first, but that it's inaccurate to claim that there's no significant different between W and E when it comes to clearing.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
December 18 2012 23:50 GMT
#1420
http://www.riotgames.com/our-games

Riots new site says "our games" as if they have more then one. Maybe they announce a new one soon? The rest of the site is really cool as well.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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