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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 19 2012 01:38 GMT
#1441
If anyone was just browsing TL while ranked was down. It's up now.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 19 2012 01:39 GMT
#1442
YESSSSS ^
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
December 19 2012 01:46 GMT
#1443
On December 19 2012 09:38 3 Lions wrote:
got nottingham ezreal
first game went 0-7 as AP ez mid LOL


I bought magnificent TF, i went 12-4 mid. Guess it depends on the cost of the skin
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Arekan
Profile Joined February 2011
United States248 Posts
December 19 2012 01:48 GMT
#1444
I've seen some splash arts of questionable quality in the short time I've been playing this game, but wow is Spectacular Sivir terrible. That face is horrifying.
Koenig99
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada904 Posts
December 19 2012 01:50 GMT
#1445
FUCK YES, got 910RP back for being a sucker and buying Annie in Wonderland 2 years ago. Red Baron Corki all up in this bitch.
BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 01:54:30
December 19 2012 01:54 GMT
#1446
On December 19 2012 10:48 Arekan wrote:
I've seen some splash arts of questionable quality in the short time I've been playing this game, but wow is Spectacular Sivir terrible. That face is horrifying.


speaking of horrifying sivir faces, how about that warrior princess?

she fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
next week on Everybody Loves HypnoToad:
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
December 19 2012 01:56 GMT
#1447
On December 19 2012 10:54 BlasiuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 10:48 Arekan wrote:
I've seen some splash arts of questionable quality in the short time I've been playing this game, but wow is Spectacular Sivir terrible. That face is horrifying.


speaking of horrifying sivir faces, how about that warrior princess?

she fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.


you havent seen the original sivir have you? that is an improvement my friend
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 02:04:27
December 19 2012 02:03 GMT
#1448
I liked the original sivir, I was so mad when they changed it

Now there's pax sivir though so face doenst matter anymore

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/9/97398/1829319-sivir.jpg

i think it fits her pretty well but oh well lol
I come in for the scraps
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
December 19 2012 02:04 GMT
#1449
Crazy moon lady being buffed, serious tinkering to leapfrog kitty.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=32583515#32583515
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 19 2012 02:05 GMT
#1450
On December 19 2012 11:04 Gahlo wrote:
Crazy moon lady being buffed, serious tinkering to leapfrog kitty.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=32583515#32583515

Oh thank god, my moon lady might make sense again
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 19 2012 02:08 GMT
#1451
On December 19 2012 11:04 Gahlo wrote:
Crazy moon lady being buffed, serious tinkering to leapfrog kitty.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=32583515#32583515

At least they aren't reneging on the Teemo nerfs haha. Interested to see if they are able to fix both of these characters without making them OP again ha.

In other news, apparently sOAZ get a time ban. Wonder if this will have any affect on his pro career hue.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
December 19 2012 02:12 GMT
#1452
On December 19 2012 11:08 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 11:04 Gahlo wrote:
Crazy moon lady being buffed, serious tinkering to leapfrog kitty.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=32583515#32583515

At least they aren't reneging on the Teemo nerfs haha. Interested to see if they are able to fix both of these characters without making them OP again ha.

In other news, apparently sOAZ get a time ban. Wonder if this will have any affect on his pro career hue.


why would it.

IWD was a permban, that was the issue.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 19 2012 02:16 GMT
#1453
On December 19 2012 11:04 Gahlo wrote:
Crazy moon lady being buffed, serious tinkering to leapfrog kitty.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=32583515#32583515

Even going to readjust Rengar, they went a bit over the top on both of these champs.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
December 19 2012 02:16 GMT
#1454
On December 19 2012 11:08 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 11:04 Gahlo wrote:
Crazy moon lady being buffed, serious tinkering to leapfrog kitty.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=32583515#32583515

At least they aren't reneging on the Teemo nerfs haha. Interested to see if they are able to fix both of these characters without making them OP again ha.

In other news, apparently sOAZ get a time ban. Wonder if this will have any affect on his pro career hue.

Currently going through the reds, Morello is publicly musing about slowing the missile speed on Diana Q.
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
December 19 2012 02:19 GMT
#1455
If I DoT someone, and then after it hits them they exhaust me, are the remaining ticks of DoT affected by the damage decrease?

For example, if I trist E someone, and then they exhaust me after a couple ticks, do I do the full damage?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 02:22:03
December 19 2012 02:20 GMT
#1456
On December 19 2012 11:12 Keniji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 11:08 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 19 2012 11:04 Gahlo wrote:
Crazy moon lady being buffed, serious tinkering to leapfrog kitty.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=32583515#32583515

At least they aren't reneging on the Teemo nerfs haha. Interested to see if they are able to fix both of these characters without making them OP again ha.

In other news, apparently sOAZ get a time ban. Wonder if this will have any affect on his pro career hue.


why would it.

IWD was a permban, that was the issue.

I was kidding, but I would be surprised if once Season 3 officially starts if a player could be suspended for a couple weeks if they get a time ban. The IWD incident proved Riot isn't messing around, I don't think they want the pros acting in a way that will get them banned for any amount of time.
On December 19 2012 11:16 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 11:08 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 19 2012 11:04 Gahlo wrote:
Crazy moon lady being buffed, serious tinkering to leapfrog kitty.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=32583515#32583515

At least they aren't reneging on the Teemo nerfs haha. Interested to see if they are able to fix both of these characters without making them OP again ha.

In other news, apparently sOAZ get a time ban. Wonder if this will have any affect on his pro career hue.

Currently going through the reds, Morello is publicly musing about slowing the missile speed on Diana Q.

Did they say what they are going to buff in exchange? I'm really curious to know if they are going to revert the range change on her ult.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Skithiryx
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia648 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 02:33:58
December 19 2012 02:30 GMT
#1457
On December 19 2012 09:09 LaNague wrote:
pharao mumu


Sad they're re-selling this one, is my favourite mumu skin.

But it's cool that they're doing ip refund for people who originally owned them, should get a nice chunk back.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 02:31:35
December 19 2012 02:31 GMT
#1458
On December 19 2012 10:56 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 10:54 BlasiuS wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:48 Arekan wrote:
I've seen some splash arts of questionable quality in the short time I've been playing this game, but wow is Spectacular Sivir terrible. That face is horrifying.


speaking of horrifying sivir faces, how about that warrior princess?

she fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.


you havent seen the original sivir have you? that is an improvement my friend

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Just switch to the tencent artwork.
boomer hands
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 19 2012 02:35 GMT
#1459
On December 19 2012 10:48 Arekan wrote:
I've seen some splash arts of questionable quality in the short time I've been playing this game, but wow is Spectacular Sivir terrible. That face is horrifying.


The splash for Lux's blue witch outfit has a pretty gross looking face.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 19 2012 02:43 GMT
#1460
On December 19 2012 10:11 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 09:42 Seuss wrote:
On December 19 2012 09:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 19 2012 08:49 Seuss wrote:
On December 19 2012 08:34 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:52 Requizen wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:51 57 Corvette wrote:
T_T
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

How's Sejuani nowadays?

She is a decent amumu alternative, but they still are too scared to actually make the changes she needs in order to be a top pick because of how deadly she could be simply based on her kit.

The main problem is you need to max BOTH Q and E as soon as possible (Q for the CD, E for the damage and slow %), while her W scales pretty badly with levels, but awesomely with health, which you cant actually stack early on.

I've found that since release the best way to go about building her is to grab a point in everything by level 3, then maxing her E for ganks, then her Q for the CD.

Ideally, you dont want to actually get W until level 3, because it doesnt help at all in a level 2 gank, and if you grab blue spamming E is actually about as effective as using W.

The benefit she does have is the new items are all boss for her. Grabbing health and resists is so easy with the new items.

But what she really needs is a massive slice off the CD on her level 1 Q, and to adjust her W to make it more reasonable as the 1 point wonder that it really is.



I challenge the bolded assertion. I will examine two scenarios. First I will examine a first clear scenario (e.g. only Rank 1 in each ability). Then, I will examine clearing at Level 9. For the purposes of this exercise I will ignore any factors which affect both abilities equally (e.g. Machete's damage amplification).

At level 1 with nothing other than Durability and Veteran's Scars, Sejuani will have 571 Health. With Frost on her primary target, this will deal 18(+1.5% Maximum Health) damage every second for 6 seconds. This totals 159 damage. This is more than two and a half times the damage that Permafrost does. Given that Permafrost's cooldown is actually one second longer, it is mathematically impossible for it to be "about as effective".

At level 9 with no health items whatsoever, Sejuani will have 1267 Health. Rank 1 Northern Winds will deal 222 damage to a target with Frost, and Rank 5 Permafrost will deal 260 damage every 11 seconds. Rank 5 Northern Winds will deal 624 damage to a target with Frost. Again, it's mathematically impossible for Permafrost to be "about as effective", even if you're also using rank 1 Northern Winds.

The fact of the matter is that maxing anything other than W first will result in slower clearing. That's not to say you should max W first, but that it's inaccurate to claim that there's no significant different between W and E when it comes to clearing.

Damage and speed is less, but spaming E isnt gonna get you killed by red, which is what I meant by about as effective. Its gonna still let you jungle. Plus you can spam off 2 E's, which you cant do with W (standing for a full 12 seconds vs standing still for .5)


That's kind of like comparing a Model T and a Lamborghini and saying they're "about as effective" because both will get you to the grocery store down the street. You're omitting some very important information and if you were a car salesman in my employ I'd fire you on the spot. In a discussion of effective methods of jungling (or any facet of LoL for that matter) being so vague and wishy-washy is a cardinal sin.

Also, even if a creep lasts exactly 11 seconds so you only get 1 W off you still do more damage, and it's all done 5 seconds sooner (that's the more than two and a half times the damage part).

The point is that they WILL get you down the street though. If the only goal is to get you to the grocery store, it doesnt matter what kind of car it is, so long as it gets you there.

The goal on Sej is to get through the jungle so she can gank. It doesnt matter if she uses E or W, she can get through the jungle and gank.

Maxing W first is a non starter because it is useless in a gank scenario. If getting to the grocery store is all I care about, why does it matter that a Lambo can go 120 miles an hour when I cant actually ever make use of it effectively. Max W Sej is still gonna be slower than other junglers, and will be pretty useless in a gank.

In discussing effective methods of jungling (or any facet of LoL for that matter) realizing the overall reason you pick a champion is the most important thing when discussing how to build or play that champion. It isnt being vague OR wishy washy to say that E will get you through the jungle, because it will.

Who cares that Annie has a really sick autoattack range. You aint gonna use her as an AD carry.

Who cares that maxing W can deal a little bit more damage to creeps. You aint gonna use her as a farming jungler.


You're entirely missing my point. I have not at any point suggested that maxing W is appropriate, only that understanding and communicating the tradeoffs for starting and ranking different abilities is.

You were being vague because "about as effective" implies there are no notable differences between the options, but we've both already mentioned some which are significant. How you achieve your goal is just as important as the fact that you achieved your goal.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with maxing E first, nor am I suggesting that taking W at rank 1 is better for a level 2 gank. I am simply pointing out that you have a lot of underlying assumptions which aren't being communicated, and when you're giving advice to aspiring junglers that's not a good thing.

"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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