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On January 06 2013 09:42 Alaric wrote:Jayce is still such a bullshit champ. Impossible to trade with since he still dictates them with his melee kit, so unless you have the sustain to lose these trades until you eat through his mana pool you can't force fights with him. Or the ranged harass to not care about his melee E. The best bet for such champs is to abuse his E cooldown (R cooldown way too short to be played around unless Jayce makes a mistake), except he's much stronger during the early levels since he has two sets of abilities, compared to later (esp. post-6). And even if you win he gets to free farm, pretty much like Teemo. Hugh. Also why do AD carries keep rushing BC? T_T Its scaling is so bad on them, if they're ahead better ask another physical champ on the team to build one for them to make use of, and if they're behind they should rely on the early spike of a BT or buckle up and try to farm so the scaling from an IE build will bring them is their best bet if they manage not to fall further behind. It's such a bad item for pure burst compared to BT or LW, making it not that good for most AD casters, its stats aren't cost-effective for autoattack scaling so AD carries should only look at it depending on their kits, why does everyone keep building it first. >_< Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 09:21 HazMat wrote:
Also, the monthly "omg this hero is so op and freewin but I won't play it and instead bitch about it" is fun to read. Well if you gave me a boring champ with an "always win game" passive I wouldn't play it. Sure I would have free wins but then I'd just spend the game yawning from boredom. Same thing as playing coops vs AI.
I love it on Jayce when they have someone, even like a Darius who thinks he can win trades np but then you just activate W in ranged and go R WQ hit hit hit E and he gets out-traded to hell and back.
Btw does normal elo decay? Why am I with golds and plats
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BT -> Shiv on Ezreal a good build?
Zuna breaking it out now it looks like
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On January 06 2013 09:42 Alaric wrote:Well if you gave me a boring champ with an "always win game" passive I wouldn't play it.
I don't know, I think Amumu is pretty fun. 
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someone should tell mancloud that DFG + eve = broken as fuck. Why is he building all these useless item?
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On January 06 2013 10:45 wei2coolman wrote:
someone should tell mancloud that DFG + eve = broken as fuck. Why is he building all these useless item?
i wanna know where his hat is
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On January 06 2013 10:14 arb wrote:
BT -> Shiv on Ezreal a good build?
Zuna breaking it out now it looks like
Fine build...
If you don't plan on going to lategame.
There is a disease among some players wherein they continually go for earlygame items over and over. The classic is TF>BT>LW...wait 3 minutes and lose to the other ADC who has IE+PD + any item, because you screwed yourself.
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On January 06 2013 10:49 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 10:14 arb wrote:
BT -> Shiv on Ezreal a good build?
Zuna breaking it out now it looks like Fine build... If you don't plan on going to lategame. There is a disease among some players wherein they continually go for earlygame items over and over. The classic is TF>BT>LW...wait 3 minutes and lose to the other ADC who has IE+PD + any item, because you screwed yourself.
I noticed he wasnt doing a whole lot, but arent you not supposed to get PD or anything on Ezreal? I remember reading that somewhere.
But hell I dunno
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Oh yeah a lot of shit is fun (I prefer jungling Eve to going mid though, gives me even more MGS vibes), but that was a general answer to Shake.
Of all the stuff that I hate and was/is FotM/broken that I coulda liked was prob only Kennen, and even then prob mid because it makes it more interesting to manage W and the harass against ranged champs.
Eve, Amumu I don't really hate (only hate the people feeding terrible Eve, makes all my work go to waste). Darius, Jayce, Teemo, Riven, Rengar I had no fun playing them, despite how easy they were. Anivia is still way too easy for most of her stuff (basic usages of wall, pushing/defending, hitting a 1.25 to 2.25+ ratio combo) and she does everything. I dislike the ratio on Nid's cougar Q but I respect the fact that the pressure's on you to make stuff happen pre-6 in some match-ups (I used to main Panth and Irelia so I destroyed Nid(s)), contrary to Elise or Jayce who have all benefits by level 3 at worst.
On January 06 2013 09:57 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 09:42 Alaric wrote:Jayce is still such a bullshit champ. Impossible to trade with since he still dictates them with his melee kit, so unless you have the sustain to lose these trades until you eat through his mana pool you can't force fights with him. Or the ranged harass to not care about his melee E. The best bet for such champs is to abuse his E cooldown (R cooldown way too short to be played around unless Jayce makes a mistake), except he's much stronger during the early levels since he has two sets of abilities, compared to later (esp. post-6). And even if you win he gets to free farm, pretty much like Teemo. Hugh. Also why do AD carries keep rushing BC? T_T Its scaling is so bad on them, if they're ahead better ask another physical champ on the team to build one for them to make use of, and if they're behind they should rely on the early spike of a BT or buckle up and try to farm so the scaling from an IE build will bring them is their best bet if they manage not to fall further behind. It's such a bad item for pure burst compared to BT or LW, making it not that good for most AD casters, its stats aren't cost-effective for autoattack scaling so AD carries should only look at it depending on their kits, why does everyone keep building it first. >_< On January 06 2013 09:21 HazMat wrote:
Also, the monthly "omg this hero is so op and freewin but I won't play it and instead bitch about it" is fun to read. Well if you gave me a boring champ with an "always win game" passive I wouldn't play it. Sure I would have free wins but then I'd just spend the game yawning from boredom. Same thing as playing coops vs AI. I love it on Jayce when they have someone, even like a Darius who thinks he can win trades np but then you just activate W in ranged and go R WQ hit hit hit E and he gets out-traded to hell and back. Btw does normal elo decay? Why am I with golds and plats
I don't think it does, there's not really a point to it since it holds no purpose regarding ranking and stuff.
Jayce is more "oh, you jumped me? Here, W, switch to melee, E [if I feel playful Q and I walk back while you're slowed]" and he'll usually outdamage your dash ability just because E is utterly dumb considering the rest of his kit. For a lesser mana cost.
If you jump him while in melee form it's even worse as he'll QE, R, and auto->W for the triple hit while you're still cc'd from his E. If he doesn't care about conserving mana, follow that up with an EQ. They lost something like a third of their HP for a dash ability worth of damage.
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The get-jumped-in-melee Jayce combo I used was WQERQEW hithithit, the ranged QE is going to hit them after the melee E knockback, nothing they can do about it. Requires smartcast of course but it's rather silly once again(can skip melee W if you're concerned about mana)
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On January 06 2013 10:52 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 10:49 cLutZ wrote:On January 06 2013 10:14 arb wrote:
BT -> Shiv on Ezreal a good build?
Zuna breaking it out now it looks like Fine build... If you don't plan on going to lategame. There is a disease among some players wherein they continually go for earlygame items over and over. The classic is TF>BT>LW...wait 3 minutes and lose to the other ADC who has IE+PD + any item, because you screwed yourself. I noticed he wasnt doing a whole lot, but arent you not supposed to get PD or anything on Ezreal? I remember reading that somewhere. But hell I dunno
No. That's just silly. Rekkles did a lot of IE>PD at IPL 5 on ez.
IE is always best, unless you die before you get it completed.
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And PD is IE's best friend.
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The fact that PD no longer upgrades Zeal's % MS is actually an enormous hit to the item's effectiveness.
The added passive makes very little sense, because "ignores unit collision" as a passive is not that useful for ranged, particularly when it's never going to be finished during laning phase, where interaction with creeps is greatest.
With regard to Shiv vs. PD, the difference isn't all that big, and comes down to how you're playing fights. PD gives you higher stand-and-fight DPS, but Shiv's proc has greater usefulness in poking/kiting situations.
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IE is worse than BT on Ez until you get your third item or you team fight a lot(4v4 or 5v5) otherwise the extra burst of damage on your Q and R (especially R) is just so much better with BT.
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I always went triforce -> BT -> LW on Ezreal, should I start going for something else then? I really hated IE + PD on Ez and see no reason to start doing that now. How about the new items?
buy Zed or Syndra?
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On January 06 2013 06:57 TheYango wrote:
And not enough jungles and tops are getting Locket.
My friend and I have been thinking about getting locket more often but it seems to me for 2k, I'd be getting it around level 11 when I'm jungling and it seems the bigger question is: would this be more effective than having aegis at that point? I plan to play around with locket later but this intrigues me.
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On January 06 2013 11:30 Stabby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 06:57 TheYango wrote:
And not enough jungles and tops are getting Locket. My friend and I have been thinking about getting locket more often but it seems to me for 2k, I'd be getting it around level 11 when I'm jungling and it seems the bigger question is: would this be more effective than having aegis at that point? I plan to play around with locket later but this intrigues me.
Locket gives higher gold value in self stats for less cost, and the shield is equivalent to greater gold in team stats (ignoring the health regen) at level 14 if you treat a shield as equivalent to the same amount of HP.
That said, my personal take is that Aegis is better when you're ahead and can stay alive, while Locket is better when you're behind and expect to die in fights--for the reason that Locket puts out all its team usefulness immediately when you use the active, and Aegis drops to zero team value the moment you die.
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Syndra. Always Syndra. Except when Viktor.
I've been using Locket on Vi (core of Locket/Phage/Wit's and boots2, staying on machete) but going into the midgame I feel so gimped in armor that way... and there's no way I build a BC on her, I don't like it and she doesn't even get to put a lot of stacks unless they fuck up their positioning with regards to your E, so phage it is (rather than bruta, although ghostblade is probably kinda good for proc-ing W early and getting a good burst).
I like a core around mallet/randuin's, so I get armor and HP (I'd go mallet and sit on a chainvest, but randuin's doesn't have one so I'd rather finish randuin's while sitting on a phage), and Locket forces me to delay it or I'll lack MR. Then I feel low on armor with only Locket.
Maybe I should just get mercs earlier, and limit wit's to either the recurve if I'm fed or the NMM if I need more MR, then get my randuin's up.
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Never knew Hecarim was so much fun. I decided I needed a new jungler (got bored of Amumu a while ago, not good with Noct, and can't play Rammus all the time), and Hecarim looked kinda interesting. His early clears are pretty scary, and I'm still not completely sure what the best build path is on him, but the feel he has is really cool. Charging and knocking people back, only to knock them back again with ult when they think they got away is easily one of the best feelings.
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On January 06 2013 11:24 Shikyo wrote:
I always went triforce -> BT -> LW on Ezreal, should I start going for something else then? I really hated IE + PD on Ez and see no reason to start doing that now. How about the new items?
buy Zed or Syndra?
People love that build. Its a fine build. You just have to win with it. If the other AD went for the stronger lategame build its hard to roll with it. IE is so strong late, and that build has weak Attack speed and crit, which are two of the reasons you are a Carry.
The build is fine, I personally dislike it because if you build it you are not an AD carry. You are a ranged AD psuedo-caster/autoattacker.
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On January 06 2013 11:24 Shikyo wrote:
I always went triforce -> BT -> LW on Ezreal, should I start going for something else then? I really hated IE + PD on Ez and see no reason to start doing that now. How about the new items?
buy Zed or Syndra?
BT into IBG (Iceborn Gauntlet) Don't get TF anymore.
Boots, BT, IBG, IE, LW, QSS or GA (I usually always go GA, ez alrdy has nice escape)
Depends what you play more, mid or top/jungle. Both are really fun and can carry games lategame.
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On January 06 2013 11:46 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 11:24 Shikyo wrote:
I always went triforce -> BT -> LW on Ezreal, should I start going for something else then? I really hated IE + PD on Ez and see no reason to start doing that now. How about the new items?
buy Zed or Syndra? People love that build. Its a fine build. You just have to win with it. If the other AD went for the stronger lategame build its hard to roll with it. IE is so strong late, and that build has weak Attack speed and crit, which are two of the reasons you are a Carry. The build is fine, I personally dislike it because if you build it you are not an AD carry. You are a ranged AD psuedo-caster/autoattacker.
aslong as you hit your Q/W and get a burst of R early you'll have a 50% attack speed buff most of the fight. Most people just assume ezreal only has Q and spells when he actually has an auto attack too
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