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On January 06 2013 12:53 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 12:52 Zooper31 wrote:
Yes lol. Also forgetting about the armor and CDR. No, those are the 1600 gold on Iceborn that I considered "primary stats", even though it's arguable that buying Armor on an AD carry that early in the game cannot be considered to have primary usefulness, when their baseline defensive stats are so low that HP is the most cost-effective EHP-increaser and not resists.
Well like having extra mana on Ezreal(since you probably wont be getting blue buffs) wont hurt you int he long run either.
He has okayish scaling off AP so that isnt wasted either. its not a huge increase but its def not wasted on him
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I didn't say they're useless. I called them secondary stats--meaning that they're not zero gold value, but you also can't value them at full value when comparing cost-effectiveness.
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On January 06 2013 12:53 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 12:52 Zooper31 wrote:
Yes lol. Also forgetting about the armor and CDR. No, those are the 1600 gold on Iceborn that I considered "primary stats", even though it's arguable that buying Armor on an AD carry that early in the game cannot be considered to have primary usefulness, when their baseline defensive stats are so low that HP is the most cost-effective EHP-increaser and not resists. Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 12:52 Zooper31 wrote:
Overall you want IBG unless you are under very specific situations. The situation of "I want to do damage to things" doesn't seem very specific to me. In fact, it's the primary role of an AD carry in the first place.
Sounds like IBC Ez is the perfect build for Yellowpete Utility>Damage lol
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On January 06 2013 12:59 onlywonderboy wrote:
Sounds like IBC Ez is the perfect build for Yellowpete Utility>Damage lol
That actually does seem appropriate.
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I guess if I lived in Korea it would be my birthday today.
Not going to play league and ruin my good mood.
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That build is already low on dmg and high on utility.
going gauntlet just brings your dmg down even more. if you want a permaslow shouldn't you pick ashe?
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If you only need the slow on the moment, sure Phage is better but what are you gonna build it into if not into expensive triforce ?
Iceborn's slow really shines into mid/late game imo, since before you can get ganks from your teammates on probably don't need the slow so badly.
Phage is really good early on because it's cheap an can get you few extra skillshots to land and maybe kills, but it stills depends if you wanna have triforce in your final build. The fact you can buy a chainvest early in a hard lane that will fit in your build later on is also an interesting point imo.
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On January 06 2013 13:00 Shikyo wrote:
That build is already low on dmg and high on utility.
going gauntlet just brings your dmg down even more. if you want a permaslow shouldn't you pick ashe?
Or just buy Mallet. If we're going to pretend that cost-effectiveness and stat-appropriateness don't actually mean anything when selecting items why not just go all the way.
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I have to side with Yango here. I've just been laughing at people who build IBG on Ez. The more players who build it the more games you can win off of them. It's like people forget the primary purpose of the ADC: to do damage.
A character literally babysits the AD to ensure they don't get ganked and can farm so later on they can make use of multiplicative scaling. Getting IBG is like spitting in their face.
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On January 06 2013 13:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
I have to side with Yango here. I've just been laughing at people who build IBG on Ez. The more players who build it the more games you can win off of them. It's like people forget the primary purpose of the ADC: to do damage.
A character literally babysits the AD to ensure they don't get ganked and can farm so later on they can make use of multiplicative scaling. Getting IBG is like spitting in their face.
In solo queue you cant rely on someone to take care of you and baby sit tho. So being able to aoe slow people jumping on your balls is always good.
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On January 06 2013 13:02 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 13:00 Shikyo wrote:
That build is already low on dmg and high on utility.
going gauntlet just brings your dmg down even more. if you want a permaslow shouldn't you pick ashe? Or just buy Mallet. If we're going to pretend that cost-effectiveness and stat-appropriateness don't actually mean anything when selecting items why not just go all the way.
AoE slow man, also it slows for more than mallet on range and does more dmg.
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On January 06 2013 13:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
I have to side with Yango here. I've just been laughing at people who build IBG on Ez. The more players who build it the more games you can win off of them. It's like people forget the primary purpose of the ADC: to do damage.
A character literally babysits the AD to ensure they don't get ganked and can farm so later on they can make use of multiplicative scaling. Getting IBG is like spitting in their face.
Now IBG on mid Ez is a whole other story.
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Honestly, with the numbers I gave you, what you're essentially saying is that if there was an item that cost 2000 gold, and gave 0 stats but gave you the Iceborn slow, you'd buy that item. Because that's honestly what the Iceborn vs. Triforce comparison essentially comes down to. That's how big the numerical disparity between Iceborn and Triforce is.
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On January 06 2013 13:08 TheYango wrote:
Honestly, with the numbers I gave you, what you're essentially saying is that if there was an item that cost 2000 gold, and gave 0 stats but gave you the Iceborn slow, you'd buy that item. Because that's honestly what the Iceborn vs. Triforce comparison essentially comes down to.
Don't know what else to say man, sometimes not everything can be calculated with gold with how useful it is.
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IBG is in my opinion a good item on Ez if your team is unable and/or unwilling to protect you against serious AD damage threats. So, for example, if enemy team has Talon+Kha'Zix or if your team is like Jax+Olaf+Evelynn and the enemy team has significant amount of physical damage. This is, I think, a pretty large niche. Otherwise I would reccomend building the standard things though.
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On January 06 2013 13:09 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 13:08 TheYango wrote:
Honestly, with the numbers I gave you, what you're essentially saying is that if there was an item that cost 2000 gold, and gave 0 stats but gave you the Iceborn slow, you'd buy that item. Because that's honestly what the Iceborn vs. Triforce comparison essentially comes down to. Don't know what else to say man, sometimes not everything can be calculated with gold with how useful it is.
On the contrary, gold value does an extremely good job of estimating the value of things in virtually all cases.
I recall someone saying the same thing to me in S2 when I was arguing that Aegis was a must-buy in virtually all scenarios.
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On January 06 2013 13:09 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 13:08 TheYango wrote:
Honestly, with the numbers I gave you, what you're essentially saying is that if there was an item that cost 2000 gold, and gave 0 stats but gave you the Iceborn slow, you'd buy that item. Because that's honestly what the Iceborn vs. Triforce comparison essentially comes down to. Don't know what else to say man, sometimes not everything can be calculated with gold with how useful it is.
basically this
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On January 06 2013 12:48 -Zoda- wrote:
Wickd, Dyrus, Bischu, Shake, everyone I see play Zed on stream just rape people everytime... His ratios gotta be nerfed srsly.
TheYango, with Iceborn Gauntlet you also buy armor, CD, and a bit of AP. It can be useful sometimes... And I agree with Zooper, the slow is very strong when applied from range like with Ez's Q. It can actually be enough to catch people when sieging.
Zed's E is just stupid strong when it comes to clear time/split pushing. I don't think any jungler can farm as well as Zed atm. His assassin kit isn't amazing but he gets so farmed it doesn't matter.
Though out of those players I'm the only one along with XJ9 that plays him in the jungle so I can comment on his solo lane potential. I just know that I have a laughably easy time getting the most cs in the game while also getting a lot of kills.
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On January 06 2013 12:48 -Zoda- wrote:
Wickd, Dyrus, Bischu, Shake, everyone I see play Zed on stream just rape people everytime... His ratios gotta be nerfed srsly.
he's good in lane but but in fights though
so he'll be fine
just like all the energy champs tbh
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Gauntlet is REALLY FUCKING GOOD on Ezreal because AoE slow means that you can eq to engage as a dps from like across a lane and be totally safe doing it. Even if you miss Q you can proc the slow with auto. Like, they need to nerf frozen fist simply because of how stupid Ezreal is with it.
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