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qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
January 03 2013 05:01 GMT
#5101
I don't see any CLG member streaming?
Best Teemo World
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 03 2013 05:04 GMT
#5102
I don't know why Phantom insists on not playing champions that cater to early roam.
Carrilord has arrived.
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
January 03 2013 05:06 GMT
#5103
On January 03 2013 14:01 qanik wrote:
I don't see any CLG member streaming?


Check CLG's homepage, they're one of the few teams still using Own3d
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
January 03 2013 05:07 GMT
#5104
http://www.own3d.tv/Chauster
Their website sometimes bugs out and doesnt show them
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
January 03 2013 05:09 GMT
#5105
I can only imagine what aphro's thinking throughout all this... at least jiji has his pets to keep him occupied
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 03 2013 05:09 GMT
#5106
On January 03 2013 14:01 qanik wrote:
I don't see any CLG member streaming?

DOESNT MATTER MAN DINH IS STREAMING
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Phunkapotamus
Profile Joined April 2010
United States496 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 05:12:32
January 03 2013 05:09 GMT
#5107
On January 03 2013 13:58 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 12:28 Alaric wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:49 sob3k wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:09 Alaric wrote:
Uh... the delay on Nami's Q and R makes her really awkward against stuff that has mobility. Also her animations are so slow, auto and spells alike, her W is so obvious you can't use it and retreat, there will be retaliation.

I felt useless in teamfights, her heal isn't strong enough while not having the benefits of, say, Sona's aura, you're going to be lucky if you get more than one Q per fight, and the ult never felt decisive o anything, even as counterinitiation—def. underwhelming compared to Naut's, as I feared.
Can't talk about the lane, Leona obviously destroys Nami because of squishiness and respective ranges, kinda like Sona... except you can't ever cast anything else than E because if Leona plays with your ranges she'll have a wide opening to engage on you. So not conclusive at all.

Also her mana costs are pretty darn atrocious.

When using similar builds (locket/crucible, had to have tankiness against the enemy lane, and needed the chalice desperately for mana) Taric, whom I long thought boring, felt much, much more useful in teamfights. :/


I tried her for a few games, seems ok but a huge part of her kit is just really not functional for soloque. She is made for like skirmishing, but 90% of the time you use your 3 hit auto buff it will be wasted without communication, and her heal is only really good with a bounce, so your laner has to engage to use it correctly. I do agree her animations are also really obnoxious and slow, but I think she could be pretty strong with an actual duo using her damage and slows and speed and continously trade really well.

her ult is really really good, but you pay for it, as the rest of her kit is just a shitty version of lulu.

I dunno, I mean, what does she offer for those lanes that another support doesn't? Another thing that bothered me is that she has no way of initiating a trade—even if she Ws and it hits both their carry and yours, you'll have a little MS buff in exchange for a sure counterattack on you. And her ult is kinda slow so you shouldn't surprise them. It didn't change much since that was a Leona so I wouldn't engage on her, but in other lanes...


She has a very easy time starting a trade, the idea is that you E your AD, this gives them 30MS to walk in and hit their AD, then their Ad is slowed while your ad hits them with the remaining charges, you then W bounce to heal and add damage and give the bonus MS to disengage or follow up. Q can be added in after the slow or if they retreat is more easily landed. Just about nobody can trade with the 3 procs and a bounce on her W, not to mention a Q if you land it.

Also anyone who says Nami's ult is bad...I just dont even know what to say.



Agree 100%. Nami is all about winning trades with W. I haven't found an ADC that can really utilize this fully yet. W for healing only is very mana inefficient. Most random bot laners are afraid of trading, as they should be traditionally... but not with Nami.

You WANT to get hit and trade. Maybe if the meta changed up and someone went Melee/Nami we'd start to see it work out better. So far, the best lane I've had with her was with a MF. MF's autoattack range is so low that Nami's W was always healing and damaging. Bot won really hard that game.

Nami's ult is also a good counter-ult. It's so slow for initiating, but it's a great "oh shit ashe's arrow is going to hit us". It's also not so much about the ult as it is about landing VERY easy Q's and skillshots after due to the slow.

Her autoattack could use some heavy buffs so she could E on reaction a bit more. It's almost always better to use on someone else :/
"Do a barrel roll"
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 03 2013 05:10 GMT
#5108
On January 03 2013 13:38 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So I turned on destiny's stream because of the posts here. Incredibly annoying. Ragey. Stupid. I wouldn't be worried about his elo. There are players like shake and durr at 1800 who will just take all his elo away. I think they might have gotten too used to other players being competent at their roles at 2200+ though, so they'll have to figure that out how to carry again. Edging out a win by playing that 5% better isn't a viable strategy with the variability of play I find at 1800.


the only way to get out of 1800 is mass game or just get lucky at that elo, you have maybe a...3% chance of changing the outcome of the game. Season 3 is even more snowbally than season 2 and I didnt think that was possible lol. has anyone played a close game ever?
I come in for the scraps
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
January 03 2013 05:15 GMT
#5109
I'm confused why destiny doesn't try to lean the different ads but instead just tunnels on draven / graves. One patch note later and he is -400 elo. Also hotshots stream doesn't load for me, other CLG people are fine.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 03 2013 05:16 GMT
#5110
On January 03 2013 14:09 Phunkapotamus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 13:58 sob3k wrote:
On January 03 2013 12:28 Alaric wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:49 sob3k wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:09 Alaric wrote:
Uh... the delay on Nami's Q and R makes her really awkward against stuff that has mobility. Also her animations are so slow, auto and spells alike, her W is so obvious you can't use it and retreat, there will be retaliation.

I felt useless in teamfights, her heal isn't strong enough while not having the benefits of, say, Sona's aura, you're going to be lucky if you get more than one Q per fight, and the ult never felt decisive o anything, even as counterinitiation—def. underwhelming compared to Naut's, as I feared.
Can't talk about the lane, Leona obviously destroys Nami because of squishiness and respective ranges, kinda like Sona... except you can't ever cast anything else than E because if Leona plays with your ranges she'll have a wide opening to engage on you. So not conclusive at all.

Also her mana costs are pretty darn atrocious.

When using similar builds (locket/crucible, had to have tankiness against the enemy lane, and needed the chalice desperately for mana) Taric, whom I long thought boring, felt much, much more useful in teamfights. :/


I tried her for a few games, seems ok but a huge part of her kit is just really not functional for soloque. She is made for like skirmishing, but 90% of the time you use your 3 hit auto buff it will be wasted without communication, and her heal is only really good with a bounce, so your laner has to engage to use it correctly. I do agree her animations are also really obnoxious and slow, but I think she could be pretty strong with an actual duo using her damage and slows and speed and continously trade really well.

her ult is really really good, but you pay for it, as the rest of her kit is just a shitty version of lulu.

I dunno, I mean, what does she offer for those lanes that another support doesn't? Another thing that bothered me is that she has no way of initiating a trade—even if she Ws and it hits both their carry and yours, you'll have a little MS buff in exchange for a sure counterattack on you. And her ult is kinda slow so you shouldn't surprise them. It didn't change much since that was a Leona so I wouldn't engage on her, but in other lanes...


She has a very easy time starting a trade, the idea is that you E your AD, this gives them 30MS to walk in and hit their AD, then their Ad is slowed while your ad hits them with the remaining charges, you then W bounce to heal and add damage and give the bonus MS to disengage or follow up. Q can be added in after the slow or if they retreat is more easily landed. Just about nobody can trade with the 3 procs and a bounce on her W, not to mention a Q if you land it.

Also anyone who says Nami's ult is bad...I just dont even know what to say.



Agree 100%. Nami is all about winning trades with W. I haven't found an ADC that can really utilize this fully yet. W for healing only is very mana inefficient. Most random bot laners are afraid of trading, as they should be traditionally... but not with Nami.

You WANT to get hit and trade. Maybe if the meta changed up and someone went Melee/Nami we'd start to see it work out better. So far, the best lane I've had with her was with a MF. MF's autoattack range is so low that Nami's W was always healing and damaging. Bot won really hard that game.

Nami's ult is also a good counter-ult. It's so slow for initiating, but it's a great "oh shit ashe's arrow is going to hit us". It's also not so much about the ult as it is about landing VERY easy Q's and skillshots after due to the slow.

Her autoattack could use some heavy buffs so she could E on reaction a bit more. It's almost always better to use on someone else :/


The problem with that kind of strategy is that if ever it was popular people would be easily able to counter it :-/

"Oh look its Nami-Graves better not do the one thing that lane is good at"
Freeeeeeedom
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
January 03 2013 05:22 GMT
#5111
On January 03 2013 14:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 13:38 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So I turned on destiny's stream because of the posts here. Incredibly annoying. Ragey. Stupid. I wouldn't be worried about his elo. There are players like shake and durr at 1800 who will just take all his elo away. I think they might have gotten too used to other players being competent at their roles at 2200+ though, so they'll have to figure that out how to carry again. Edging out a win by playing that 5% better isn't a viable strategy with the variability of play I find at 1800.


the only way to get out of 1800 is mass game or just get lucky at that elo, you have maybe a...3% chance of changing the outcome of the game. Season 3 is even more snowbally than season 2 and I didnt think that was possible lol. has anyone played a close game ever?

nawwww just gotta own people
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 03 2013 05:23 GMT
#5112
he even plays it in normals to let the 1500s know whos boss
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 03 2013 05:24 GMT
#5113
Rumble mains are so fucking scary.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
January 03 2013 05:34 GMT
#5114
Hm, so I have been trying some support Anivia lately, and it's quite fun. Granted you have to take clarity to make it work. Technically, it's a kill lane. It seems to work best if your ADC is willing to be aggressive. I had an Ashe who was a bit more passive but we still killed the enemy vayne repeatedly.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 05:37:26
January 03 2013 05:36 GMT
#5115
In your opinion, what're the 3 "must-know" top laners as of right now?
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 03 2013 05:38 GMT
#5116
On January 03 2013 14:36 Mondeezy wrote:
In your opinion, what're the 3 "must-know" top laners as of right now?


Oh lemme guess. Riven, Rumble, and Vlad. Thats my guess.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 05:45:01
January 03 2013 05:43 GMT
#5117
On January 03 2013 14:36 Mondeezy wrote:
In your opinion, what're the 3 "must-know" top laners as of right now?

This is a very hard question. I think many top laners right now are very viable. Riven is ridiculously strong right now but she's getting nerfed. Many people (wrice wings wickd) have been learning Zed. From what I've seen people just play champions they are good at and it's working.
If you still insist on your question, I would say Vlad, Malphite and Shen.
Viable (even competitively) right now imo are: Zed, Cho, Darius, Elise, Garen, Irelia (j4???), Jax, Jayce, Kat, Lee, Malphite, Nidalee, Olaf, (Renekton??) Riven, Rumble, Shen, Singed, Udyr, Vlad, Voli, Wukong, Xin.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 05:48:04
January 03 2013 05:45 GMT
#5118
jax irelia olaf
actually irelia kind of redundant in this list, altho she's still great. jax olaf shen if you want different styles.
Hey! Listen!
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 03 2013 05:48 GMT
#5119
Iunno if I would list Vlad at a must know top lane. He's been falling out of popularity for a long time now. Irelia is also supposed to be weaker in S3, but she's probably still pretty good.

For solo q I'd go w/ Navi's list except maybe Shen/Darius over Irelia. For competitive play it'd definitely have to be Shen, Olaf for top 2 must know.
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
January 03 2013 05:49 GMT
#5120
On January 03 2013 14:45 Navi wrote:
jax irelia olaf
actually irelia kind of redundant in this list, altho she's still great. jax olaf shen if you want different styles.


I main Riven and Zed, people keep telling me Irelia isn't that great anymore. Prob will practice Olaf or Rumble with the increase in AD mids.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
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