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On December 22 2012 00:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Lol, no. Monte and I have discussions every once in a while about champs when they get released. We ruled Hecarim strong a looooooooooooooooooong time ago. Same with Nautilus on his release.
i got a chuckle out of this. you saw nautilus, a champ with 4 CCs and a shield and you ruled him to be a strong jungler on release? NO WAI. such clairvoyance! 
also, hecarim sucked s2 jungle, still sucks, you heard it here first.
leesin, mundo, cho'gath, maokai, only viable junglers s3 BOOM oh and xin zhao but solo q only
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On December 22 2012 05:11 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 00:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Lol, no. Monte and I have discussions every once in a while about champs when they get released. We ruled Hecarim strong a looooooooooooooooooong time ago. Same with Nautilus on his release. i got a chuckle out of this. you saw nautilus, a champ with 4 CCs and a shield and you ruled him to be a strong jungler on release? NO WAI. such clairvoyance! also, hecarim sucked s2 jungle, still sucks, you heard it here first. leesin, mundo, cho'gath, maokai, only viable junglers s3 BOOM
i said jungle lulu would be op with shield and triple cc :<
itll catch on eventually and i can put on the hipster glasses
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On December 22 2012 05:18 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 05:11 gtrsrs wrote:On December 22 2012 00:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Lol, no. Monte and I have discussions every once in a while about champs when they get released. We ruled Hecarim strong a looooooooooooooooooong time ago. Same with Nautilus on his release. i got a chuckle out of this. you saw nautilus, a champ with 4 CCs and a shield and you ruled him to be a strong jungler on release? NO WAI. such clairvoyance! also, hecarim sucked s2 jungle, still sucks, you heard it here first. leesin, mundo, cho'gath, maokai, only viable junglers s3 BOOM i said jungle lulu would be op with shield and triple cc :< itll catch on eventually and i can put on the hipster glasses
After Taric jungle. Super legit, you just really need blue.
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On December 22 2012 03:31 Alaric wrote:
21-9-0
machete+5 pots
Wolves->Blue->Wraiths->Wolves->Red->Wraiths->Golems
All camps started with a charged Q once I skilled it.
AD/AD
WEQ, E max: 4:09, 690 HP no pots
WEQ, Q max: 4:09, 630 HP no pots (I took a bit more damage at wraiths because of positioning, should be 20-30 HP higher)
WQE, E max: 4:06, 565 HP no pots
WQE, Q max: 4:10, 590 HP no pots
More specific what were the runes for these runs?
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On December 22 2012 05:27 Cuddle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 03:31 Alaric wrote:
21-9-0
machete+5 pots
Wolves->Blue->Wraiths->Wolves->Red->Wraiths->Golems
All camps started with a charged Q once I skilled it.
AD/AD
WEQ, E max: 4:09, 690 HP no pots
WEQ, Q max: 4:09, 630 HP no pots (I took a bit more damage at wraiths because of positioning, should be 20-30 HP higher)
WQE, E max: 4:06, 565 HP no pots
WQE, Q max: 4:10, 590 HP no pots
More specific what were the runes for these runs?
AD Marks, Armor Yellows, MR Blues (probably scaling), AD Quints. Middle two are jungle standard always.
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On December 22 2012 00:48 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 22:26 WhiteDog wrote:
I'm getting tired with all these nerf / up. I never bought rengar, but what they did to that champ is just ridiculous Why even getting a PBE if you can't understand that the nerf you made are bad ? The constant up and down that new champ are getting everytime shows that either Riot is inexperienced and rush things up or that they do that to make sure people actually buy those characters.
Also that Riven nerf, wtf.
Also some champ will never be balanced for solo q. Support at 1500 elo will never buy pink for evelynn, team will never split before amumu, no solo q team will ever know how to play vs karthus (I have a ridic 100% win rate on Karthus despite being really bad, I always lose my lane stupidly, sometime even feeding, but still focus on farming, then win later on when the whole team feel like doing their business in my defile). If someone can't effectively change their tactics based on the presence of a certain champ then they don't really deserve to be a higher Elo. Especially if people aren't willing to learn from their mistakes. If they get wrecked by Eve and don't buy a pink ward next game to deal with her then they haven't really improved and probably deserve to lose.
The problem is that Eve is basically like having a free 8-10 GP5 for your team during laning, more after. Stealth is dumb like that.
On December 22 2012 03:36 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 03:06 Requizen wrote:On December 22 2012 03:04 Seuss wrote:On December 22 2012 02:50 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 22 2012 02:40 Seuss wrote:On December 22 2012 00:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 22 2012 00:47 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 22 2012 00:40 Requizen wrote:On December 22 2012 00:35 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 22 2012 00:32 Requizen wrote:
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Entirely possible. I maxed Q vs Garen (though I might need the mobility for their jungle Mao). I maxed W vs Olaf, but I felt like every time I went in to trade he just landed QE and walk away, and later he could just QE and initiate and I couldn't outdamage him. Though I really shouldn't have tried, Olaf isn't really someone you can duel. I do really like the Q max, honestly, just because having that near instant escape up again is really great. But on paper it does seem like E/W would be better for trades, and E definitely for "long-range" farm and harass. But also, Olaf. =/ Can't do much against that. Maybe build early DShield and hope your passive does work? I dunno if there's a solution there. I got frustrated with Q because it felt like damn near everything interrupted the channel/powerup. Are you just firing it off immediately for the quick gap opener/closer or are you charging it up? Especially against Garen, he would just save the silence for the exact second I started powering it up. Mao's root also interrupted it and put it on CD, which I thought was odd. I did a lot of charging in brush, but tbh the two games I played were against a terrible Mao top and another Vi, who started E. With Q I could constantly jump on her and my Q cds were shorter than her E's were. So it felt like godmode. But I think the general solution is bush charging if possible, though I understand that makes the escape harder, if not impossible. The Twisted Advance thing seems like a bug. On December 22 2012 00:46 Seuss wrote:On December 21 2012 23:35 Live2Win wrote:
THE SECRET'S OUT! Helios's interview: "I wanted to play Hec, because he's secretly OP right now, but my teammates wanted to keep it on the DL" (which is dumb now cuz now people know) They're lucky no one listens to me. Soniv did... eventually. Lol, no. Monte and I have discussions every once in a while about champs when they get released. We ruled Hecarim strong a looooooooooooooooooong time ago. Same with Nautilus on his release. I also thought Skarner was strong when he came out (it's the reason I'm his thread-keeper). Guess who else wasn't initially popular? My only glaring mistake when evaluating new champions as junglers remains Shyvana. I never really thought much of her, probably because her playstyle is so divorced from how I like to play the jungle. Granted shyv kind of sucked on release. (in the meta at the time) At least from what I remember. x_x That doesn't particularly matter. She may have redefined the meta (along with Mundo and Udyr), but I had no issues picking out Nautilus (who also redefined the meta). It would be unbecoming of me to accept accolades for Nautilus if I did not also accept my error in overlooking Shyvana. So what do you think the jungle meta is now? I see less tanky cc junglers (aside from Amumu when he's not banned), and more fighter/bruiser junglers like Xin/Riven/Olaf/Jax. Is this the "new thing"? It's the result of the penetration and itemization changes. Bruisers/assassins are much, much stronger than before. Whereas before the jungle almost always needed to be a tank/cc champion, that's no longer absolutely necessary. You can expect to see more bruisers and assassins in general, not just in the jungle. I don't currently expect us to run into another full bruiser meta, but they will definitely be popular in and out of the jungle for some time to come unless Riot gives them the Diana treatment. Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 03:08 EquilasH wrote:On December 22 2012 02:52 Alaric wrote:But when you have a HP shield on you, the true damage will affect the shield first. And her passive happens to be one. Bleh, ninja edit. I'm currently running several setups with jungle Vi, will edit with results. And Shyv didn't suck, she wasn't changed until M5 used her. Which kind of makes your point about the meta I guess. Well, she wasn't strong until the jungle changes came out, but I think the jungle changes came pretty close to the Shyv patch so I'm not sure how relevant that is. The Shyvana patch was v128, and the jungle remake was v130, so you have your timeline correct. She was definitely terrible in the original jungle, which likely colored a lot of opinions even after the remake.
Also, some of the CC junglers just can't deal with the new jungle. "Oh hey you picked nautilus, let me kill you at red, steal red, then kill your midlane that tried to stop me."
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On December 22 2012 05:40 cLutZ wrote:
Also, some of the CC junglers just can't deal with the new jungle. "Oh hey you picked nautilus, let me kill you at red, steal red, then kill your midlane that tried to stop me."
To be fair, I'm pretty sure this also happened to Naut in Season 2, just a bit after he was always getting picked. People didn't take long to figure out he could get counterjungled hard.
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Every time I see a Naut jungle when I play Morde I just push out two waves then camp him at red. It's hilarious.
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Nautilus sucks hard before level 3 in the jungle, and his ganks really take off at level 4 with his Q available. He was also reliant on a pretty strong pull on blue so he could keep the shield up longer. s3 somewhat helps him with that because a lot of people stick around enough that you can almost get a smiteless even if they don't mean it now.
But Naut can't do a smiteless blue -> red because his shield will only be level 1 anyway, so better go for the standard route or even ask for a smiteless red and use it on golems to reach level 3, then run to blue. Most people willing to counterjungle him won't expect this, and you'll still have red for your level 4 ganks.
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Nautilus is a beast in s3 jungle
Udyr is a beast in every jugnle, s3 included
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On December 22 2012 05:57 SagaZ wrote:
Nautilus is a beast in s3 jungle
Udyr is a beast in every jugnle, s3 included
Udyr got shafted in League of Mobility Creep.
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try 0 9 21 mvmt speed quints and boots instead of machete
405 mvmt speed at lvl1 league of mobility what?
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Udyr has no non-MS gapcloser. Anivia? GP? Janna? Lulu? Lux? Pretty much anyone with a ranged slow? Sorry, you wait for somebody else to initiate.
Or any AD carry with a red buff.
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On December 22 2012 06:04 Alaric wrote:
Udyr has no non-MS gapcloser. Anivia? GP? Janna? Lulu? Lux? Pretty much anyone with a ranged slow? Sorry, you wait for somebody else to initiate.
Or any AD carry with a red buff.
Or Twin Shadows, or Shard of True Ice.
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Udyr is OK if you remove the following (incomplete) list of champions he can't deal with:
Anivia, Ashe, Brand, Cassiopeia, Ezreal, Janna, Jayce, Kog'maw, Lulu, Lux, Sivir, Twisted Fate, Zyra.
And the red buff.
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yes the key is understanding you're not playing malphite. there are ways to using such champions, you follow the iniciation pretty damn fine and you are a giant pain in prolonged fights.
you don't pick him if the team lack iniciation. he's still damn fine he move real fast and has hudge bear pawns.
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On December 22 2012 06:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Udyr is OK if you remove the following (incomplete) list of champions he can't deal with:
Anivia, Ashe, Brand, Cassiopeia, Ezreal, Janna, Jayce, Kog'maw, Lulu, Lux, Sivir, Twisted Fate, Zyra.
And the red buff.
Caitlyn, Trist, Jayce, Lee Sin...
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On December 22 2012 06:15 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 06:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Udyr is OK if you remove the following (incomplete) list of champions he can't deal with:
Anivia, Ashe, Brand, Cassiopeia, Ezreal, Janna, Jayce, Kog'maw, Lulu, Lux, Sivir, Twisted Fate, Zyra.
And the red buff. Caitlyn, Trist, Jayce, Lee Sin...
Hence incomplete list.
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On December 22 2012 04:50 Sufficiency wrote:Got my free upvote.
Mine will be 975RP.
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Don't the admins of reddit get really upset if you ask for upvotes (I think they've banned ign before because of this)? Don't get me wrong, I think the article is great, I just don't want to see tl.net banned from reddit because of reddit rules.
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