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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:15 MeatlessTaco wrote: Gamers in general need to realize that being a gaping asshole is not a right. Seems like a legit punishment, 8 warnings and all. This left me with a very disturbing and horrifying mental image.... | ||
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:18 RebelSlayer wrote: I don't see why Riot had to make a public announcement about banning him. Because I think people might notice him not being at any tournaments for an entire year.  | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:18 RebelSlayer wrote: I don't see why Riot had to make a public announcement about banning him. Because he is a notable player in the scene. If they didn't the community would have demanded one. So either way, it would have came out. Now its just easier to not feel so bad for him. | ||
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tissue
Malaysia441 Posts
On December 05 2012 07:45 Implenia wrote: And this is why having Riot controll all tournaments is not a good idea  They have way too much leverage over their "pro-scene" it is really disturbing. Compared to a certain company which happily pushed for the death of an entire progaming scene, this is nothing. | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
The manner that Riot has handles this has really made it a convoluted issue however since as far as I know there is not yet a contract between IWD and Riot for s3 stating clear rules and guidelines that must be adhered to. All in all it's not a professional decision by Riot at this time, but with that said, I feel little for someone who has been found guilty in the tribunal on eight separate occasions. | ||
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
It doesn't matter who he is or who he plays for, if you're going to act like an asshole in solo queue for maybe a year then it is IWD's fault alone. Sucks for Dig but I would have expected such a team to not allow such trash behavior. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:11 travis wrote: too much power? wtf does that mean. it's their game. you play on their servers. you read and accept their EULA. Too much power as in they control the competitive scene and the players since they are giving them a salary now. Control over their game and perma banning IWD is fine. Banning him from playing competitively from stuff he did in casual play is ridiculous. Especially considering the duration of his ban. | ||
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scarper65
1560 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:11 travis wrote: too much power? wtf does that mean. it's their game. you play on their servers. you read and accept their EULA. There is nothing in the EULA that says receiving a perma-ban has the potential to impact your eligibility to play professionally on that that large of a scale. | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:18 RebelSlayer wrote: I don't see why Riot had to make a public announcement about banning him. Pretty simple. Banning a high-profile player over your standard solo-queue trash talk lets Riot use IWD as an example for other players. The message gets across that even a professional player who makes their living off of League of Legends is not exempt from the basic courtesy that the Summoner's Code demands, and that consequences will be dealt toward you, no matter your status. Also, like another user stated earlier, making the ruling public removes the possibility of anyone being in the dark about IWD's fate, so nobody will be clamoring to Riot for an explanation. Of course, now they're clamoring about Riot having too much control over the competitive scene, so I guess it's a moot point, because people will scream either way. | ||
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ShurykaN
United States338 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:36 onlywonderboy wrote: There is nothing in the EULA that says receiving a perma-ban has the potential to impact your eligibility to play professionally on that that large of a scale. From Riot EULA: The Code of Conduct is not meant to be exhaustive, and Riot Games reserves the right to modify this Code of Conduct at any time, as well as take any appropriate disciplinary measures including Account termination and deletion to protect the integrity and spirit of the Game, regardless of whether a specific behavior is listed here as prohibited. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
So the EULA says Riot has the right to make any decision they want and can justify it by saying it protects the integrity of the game? If that doesn't sound like too much power than I don't know what does. | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:45 onlywonderboy wrote: So the EULA says Riot has the right to make any decision they want and can justify it by saying it protects the integrity of the game? If that doesn't sound like too much power than I don't know what does. Pretty much every EULA ever has or will have that disclaimer in some variation. I think the creator of an online game ought to have supreme control over their product, as long as they don't go overboard with using that control. I don't think Riot's overstepped their bounds here, either. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Would you prefer that Riot ban the players account but not actually punish him outside the game? So that he just makes a new account and keeps being a jerk? For a casual player, removing their account and forcing them to make another is a big punishment, it takes a lot of work to get to level 30. For a professional it's a different story. The professional player can easily get a new level 30 account (somebody would probably give him one if he just asked for it), and provides a public image outside the game. Riot wants LoL to become a serious, mainstream, respectable thing. So if a professional and well known community member is not acting like an adult, how is Riot preventing them from doing so exerting too much power? It sounds to me like Riot was very nice to IWD. If he's been punished in the tribunal 8 times, I'm sure they've already talked to him about it and tried to get him to change his behavior. If I was in their position I doubt I would give somebody 8 chances before doing something serious. Saying that Riot has too much power or that this is a dangerous thing for them to be doing just sounds like a cry of entitlement to me. If you had an office job and you went around calling your coworkers retards all day, I doubt your boss would give you 8 chances before firing you. IWD got 8 chances, and didn't get fired, just got a one year suspension. | ||
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ShurykaN
United States338 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:45 onlywonderboy wrote: So the EULA says Riot has the right to make any decision they want and can justify it by saying it protects the integrity of the game? If that doesn't sound like too much power than I don't know what does. Also from Riot EULA: Riot Games may terminate this License Agreement at any time, for any reason or no reason. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:52 Ketara wrote: Anybody who says this is a bad thing or that Riot has too much power isn't thinking straight I feel. People have said long before this that Riot giving their players a salary and having full control over the competitive scene would be a bad thing. I still stand by the belief that what someone does in pub play shouldn't impact their ability to play competitively. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:49 Archas wrote: Pretty much every EULA ever has or will have that disclaimer in some variation. I think the creator of an online game ought to have supreme control over their product, as long as they don't go overboard with using that control. I don't think Riot's overstepped their bounds here, either. I just find it hard to accept this behavior when they want eSports to be taken as seriously as real sports. The NHL and NFL have defined rules, there is not clause anywhere that gives them nearly as much power as the one Riot has. Plus they have defined player unions that aren't controlled by the league. Maybe that's just the nature of eSports versus real sports. Oh well, I guess in the end Riot can do what they want and we can agree or disagree all we want but it won't make a difference. I lost a little respect for Riot, but hopefully nothing as controversial will happen in the future. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I'm just surprised that IWD is more toxic than some other players I had in mind. | ||
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Baffels
United States1486 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:59 NeoIllusions wrote: This is a good thing and it deserves its own thread. I'm just surprised that IWD is more toxic than some other players I had in mind. Yeah, they keep quoting that he was 300% more toxic than other players yet, how do we know? I've been reported for defending myself from harassment a number of times. Who is to say that didn't happen to him because hes a pro-player that casuals can poke at and make fun of? As a pro-player he is well known by the community and this community is FULL of trolls and asshats looking to get under anyones skin. | ||
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