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On December 06 2012 11:46 zulu_nation8 wrote:
well even if they IP track him he can play with a proxy, etc, but it would be against Riot's will, so basically he's blacklisted for a year, can't imagine the punishment meaning anything different. Obviously no team is gonna pick up someone who can't practice, and assuming he can play on the tourney client or something, no team is gonna pick up someone who can only play MLG or something.
You're just talking out your ass now. There's no indication that future smurfs are automatically going to be banned by Riot. They said existing accounts are closed.
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On December 06 2012 14:46 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:59 NeoIllusions wrote:
@bly: perhaps "shitting up the subforum" is taking it a step too far but you and I both know how unyieldingly stubborn you can be sometimes and this is one of those times. I'm glad JBright finally got through to you. Riot's main goal is to mold the community to their expectation. To everyone who thinks this is "carebear" mentality, stop being such a jackass. No one is saying all LoL players need to pander each other and compliment every good thing they do. "Don't be a douche" is not asking for too much.
IWD was appropriately punished. If you think a year is too long, then you have an issue with severity, which is ok by me. But IWD losing out on the money from being a pro is a consequence of his own actions. He had ample warning. When does it become his own fault for not heeding Riot when they came at him 9 times with temp bans?
@Shake: there are a bunch of pros who have been assholes in the past and many of them have reformed. The main big one is really HotShotgg. Even TSM members like Regi and Dyrus have moments of rage still. I know Dyrus has been temp banned in the past as well. But in the end, pretty much all their behavior have been on an upswing and I highly doubt they've been reported at the rate or frequency that IWD was. You can argue that your personal experience with IWD was not as bad as with TSM but your experience is a small sample and in all, IWD was consider more toxic by a panel of his peers.
@VayneAuthority: I meant "no kidding". Please check my profile and zulu's profile for our TL join dates. We're probably two of the oldest TL users in this subforum. bly and I butt heads when it comes to our opinions but I still hold him in esteem. Just because he's a TL vet does not mean I won't keep him in check when he's running his mouth. bly also knows that when I do so, it's not out of malice.
So when you make comments about how TL LoL mods are power hungry, you're just embarassing yourself. Apparently you don't have a clue what I have personally contributed in making this subforum what it is today.
To everyone else, we can continue talking in circles about this debacle but frankly I think it's run its course. Keep in mind two things: 1) Riot's expectations of their game and its users, 2) IWD's willingness to ignore warnings and bans on 9 different instances. This includes Riot department heads contacting IWD and dig outside of the game. I have been posting in this subforum since it existed and have been at TL just as long.
VayneAuthority
Joined TL.net Thursday, 18th of October 2012
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On December 06 2012 15:24 Craton wrote:
Probably a PBU.
Which brings a certain level of irony to the situation.
As was mentioned by Neo, most of what has to be said has been said. People should be held accountable for their actions. I know a lot of people want this divide between their real life and their e-persona, but more and more that isn't a realistic expectation.
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On December 06 2012 15:24 Craton wrote:
Probably a PBU.
Uh oh.
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At the rate he is going, he'll probably drop the P from PBU.
Also to add something to the discussion. We recently discussed this: Lyte explains banwave
And I would like to quote from it:
Lyte wrote:
This is a misconception. The player behavior and eSports teams have been working together and have actively been investigating pro player behavior. No one is 'above' player behavior; in fact, we expect our pro players to have even higher standards as they should be the role models of our community.
This was three weeks ago and I remember that riot has expressed similar sentiments in the past on several occasions. You could argue that SoloQ and pro-games shouldn't be linked and bad behavior in SoloQ should not affect your pro-career, but the matter of fact is, that Riot has explicitly expressed what they expect of the pro-players and that their conduct in SoloQ is important to them. So at the end of the day this is about fulfilling the expectations of your employer more than anything else.
And whether we like it or not. Pro-players are a marketing tool in any sport. Soccer, baseball, football... it doesn't matter. No sport on earth creates actual value. They create marketing opportunities for companies to sell their products. Riot is using their league to market their own game.
Maybe in the future it will become big enough to attract sponsors from other industries, but for the time being, every pro player is a "LoL-ambassador" if you will. And Riot is therefor very keen on making sure that there not videos and chat-logs circulating around the internet of these people, behaving like ass-hats in the game they are supposed to make attractive to the wider audience of gamers.
I also believe that many people at Riot have a genuine interest in e-sports and totally love the idea of making video games as a sport really big. But the two things are really not exclusive, they go hand in hand.
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Kid acts like a punk online and gets banned, serves him right.
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Looks like HeWillNeverDominate.
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On December 06 2012 15:07 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 14:46 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 06 2012 08:59 NeoIllusions wrote:
@bly: perhaps "shitting up the subforum" is taking it a step too far but you and I both know how unyieldingly stubborn you can be sometimes and this is one of those times. I'm glad JBright finally got through to you. Riot's main goal is to mold the community to their expectation. To everyone who thinks this is "carebear" mentality, stop being such a jackass. No one is saying all LoL players need to pander each other and compliment every good thing they do. "Don't be a douche" is not asking for too much.
IWD was appropriately punished. If you think a year is too long, then you have an issue with severity, which is ok by me. But IWD losing out on the money from being a pro is a consequence of his own actions. He had ample warning. When does it become his own fault for not heeding Riot when they came at him 9 times with temp bans?
@Shake: there are a bunch of pros who have been assholes in the past and many of them have reformed. The main big one is really HotShotgg. Even TSM members like Regi and Dyrus have moments of rage still. I know Dyrus has been temp banned in the past as well. But in the end, pretty much all their behavior have been on an upswing and I highly doubt they've been reported at the rate or frequency that IWD was. You can argue that your personal experience with IWD was not as bad as with TSM but your experience is a small sample and in all, IWD was consider more toxic by a panel of his peers.
@VayneAuthority: I meant "no kidding". Please check my profile and zulu's profile for our TL join dates. We're probably two of the oldest TL users in this subforum. bly and I butt heads when it comes to our opinions but I still hold him in esteem. Just because he's a TL vet does not mean I won't keep him in check when he's running his mouth. bly also knows that when I do so, it's not out of malice.
So when you make comments about how TL LoL mods are power hungry, you're just embarassing yourself. Apparently you don't have a clue what I have personally contributed in making this subforum what it is today.
To everyone else, we can continue talking in circles about this debacle but frankly I think it's run its course. Keep in mind two things: 1) Riot's expectations of their game and its users, 2) IWD's willingness to ignore warnings and bans on 9 different instances. This includes Riot department heads contacting IWD and dig outside of the game. I have been posting in this subforum since it existed and have been at TL just as long. VayneAuthority Joined TL.net Thursday, 18th of October 2012 ??
Even if it is true, TL LoL as a community existed for far longer than the subforum.
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On December 06 2012 21:15 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 15:07 thenexusp wrote:On December 06 2012 14:46 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 06 2012 08:59 NeoIllusions wrote:
@bly: perhaps "shitting up the subforum" is taking it a step too far but you and I both know how unyieldingly stubborn you can be sometimes and this is one of those times. I'm glad JBright finally got through to you. Riot's main goal is to mold the community to their expectation. To everyone who thinks this is "carebear" mentality, stop being such a jackass. No one is saying all LoL players need to pander each other and compliment every good thing they do. "Don't be a douche" is not asking for too much.
IWD was appropriately punished. If you think a year is too long, then you have an issue with severity, which is ok by me. But IWD losing out on the money from being a pro is a consequence of his own actions. He had ample warning. When does it become his own fault for not heeding Riot when they came at him 9 times with temp bans?
@Shake: there are a bunch of pros who have been assholes in the past and many of them have reformed. The main big one is really HotShotgg. Even TSM members like Regi and Dyrus have moments of rage still. I know Dyrus has been temp banned in the past as well. But in the end, pretty much all their behavior have been on an upswing and I highly doubt they've been reported at the rate or frequency that IWD was. You can argue that your personal experience with IWD was not as bad as with TSM but your experience is a small sample and in all, IWD was consider more toxic by a panel of his peers.
@VayneAuthority: I meant "no kidding". Please check my profile and zulu's profile for our TL join dates. We're probably two of the oldest TL users in this subforum. bly and I butt heads when it comes to our opinions but I still hold him in esteem. Just because he's a TL vet does not mean I won't keep him in check when he's running his mouth. bly also knows that when I do so, it's not out of malice.
So when you make comments about how TL LoL mods are power hungry, you're just embarassing yourself. Apparently you don't have a clue what I have personally contributed in making this subforum what it is today.
To everyone else, we can continue talking in circles about this debacle but frankly I think it's run its course. Keep in mind two things: 1) Riot's expectations of their game and its users, 2) IWD's willingness to ignore warnings and bans on 9 different instances. This includes Riot department heads contacting IWD and dig outside of the game. I have been posting in this subforum since it existed and have been at TL just as long. VayneAuthority Joined TL.net Thursday, 18th of October 2012 ?? Even if it is true, TL LoL as a community existed for far longer than the subforum.
Hard to find tho
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On December 06 2012 14:46 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:59 NeoIllusions wrote:
@bly: perhaps "shitting up the subforum" is taking it a step too far but you and I both know how unyieldingly stubborn you can be sometimes and this is one of those times. I'm glad JBright finally got through to you. Riot's main goal is to mold the community to their expectation. To everyone who thinks this is "carebear" mentality, stop being such a jackass. No one is saying all LoL players need to pander each other and compliment every good thing they do. "Don't be a douche" is not asking for too much.
IWD was appropriately punished. If you think a year is too long, then you have an issue with severity, which is ok by me. But IWD losing out on the money from being a pro is a consequence of his own actions. He had ample warning. When does it become his own fault for not heeding Riot when they came at him 9 times with temp bans?
@Shake: there are a bunch of pros who have been assholes in the past and many of them have reformed. The main big one is really HotShotgg. Even TSM members like Regi and Dyrus have moments of rage still. I know Dyrus has been temp banned in the past as well. But in the end, pretty much all their behavior have been on an upswing and I highly doubt they've been reported at the rate or frequency that IWD was. You can argue that your personal experience with IWD was not as bad as with TSM but your experience is a small sample and in all, IWD was consider more toxic by a panel of his peers.
@VayneAuthority: I meant "no kidding". Please check my profile and zulu's profile for our TL join dates. We're probably two of the oldest TL users in this subforum. bly and I butt heads when it comes to our opinions but I still hold him in esteem. Just because he's a TL vet does not mean I won't keep him in check when he's running his mouth. bly also knows that when I do so, it's not out of malice.
So when you make comments about how TL LoL mods are power hungry, you're just embarassing yourself. Apparently you don't have a clue what I have personally contributed in making this subforum what it is today.
To everyone else, we can continue talking in circles about this debacle but frankly I think it's run its course. Keep in mind two things: 1) Riot's expectations of their game and its users, 2) IWD's willingness to ignore warnings and bans on 9 different instances. This includes Riot department heads contacting IWD and dig outside of the game. I have been posting in this subforum since it existed and have been at TL just as long.
That means shit when you are a PBU. Shape up your posting.
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About time, solo que games chats are bad enough a "Pro" player should not add to that.
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Makes me a bit sad to see a team crippled like this but you have to be a pretty big dick to end up in tribunal. Hope this is a wakeup call for everyone else to shape up!
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On December 06 2012 18:42 Leonite7 wrote:
Looks like HeWillNeverDominate.
HeWillNotDominate(ForOneYear)
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This reminds me of fishy bans on an fps game, where a lot of players were banned on ffa games demos. It was subsquently agreed that it was a bad move, but it was a league, not the devellopers of the game. The fact that Riot is taking all the jobs in the industry of their game is really not a good thing.
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When I read stuff like this I wanna give Riot more of my money.
I used to love Blizzard, but they turned into a neglectful parent and lately it's like they even stopped pretending they love me back. But then Riot comes along and adopts me and suddenly I'm getting all this attention, they actually seem to give a fuck what I think, and they give an impression of senior authority and intelligence, leading by example and prinicple. It's like having a real dad.
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On December 07 2012 01:32 levelnoobz wrote:
This reminds me of fishy bans on an fps game, where a lot of players were banned on ffa games demos. It was subsquently agreed that it was a bad move, but it was a league, not the devellopers of the game. The fact that Riot is taking all the jobs in the industry of their game is really not a good thing.
You are miles and miles behind in this discussion. Please read the thread before iterating  .
On December 07 2012 01:49 Keniji wrote:
What does PBU mean? :[
previously banned user. You might check out the automated ban list thread in the closed forum from time to time. It's fun!
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IWillDominate2014.
In all seriousness, maybe people will realize they can't be complete assholes in solo queue.
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