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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 05 2012 23:58 GMT
#381
Good riddance, this guy was just the epitome of toxic players just by seeing his attitude on other pro player's streams and in soloQ.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 05 2012 23:59 GMT
#382
@bly: perhaps "shitting up the subforum" is taking it a step too far but you and I both know how unyieldingly stubborn you can be sometimes and this is one of those times. I'm glad JBright finally got through to you. Riot's main goal is to mold the community to their expectation. To everyone who thinks this is "carebear" mentality, stop being such a jackass. No one is saying all LoL players need to pander each other and compliment every good thing they do. "Don't be a douche" is not asking for too much.
IWD was appropriately punished. If you think a year is too long, then you have an issue with severity, which is ok by me. But IWD losing out on the money from being a pro is a consequence of his own actions. He had ample warning. When does it become his own fault for not heeding Riot when they came at him 9 times with temp bans?

@Shake: there are a bunch of pros who have been assholes in the past and many of them have reformed. The main big one is really HotShotgg. Even TSM members like Regi and Dyrus have moments of rage still. I know Dyrus has been temp banned in the past as well. But in the end, pretty much all their behavior have been on an upswing and I highly doubt they've been reported at the rate or frequency that IWD was. You can argue that your personal experience with IWD was not as bad as with TSM but your experience is a small sample and in all, IWD was consider more toxic by a panel of his peers.

@VayneAuthority: I meant "no kidding". Please check my profile and zulu's profile for our TL join dates. We're probably two of the oldest TL users in this subforum. bly and I butt heads when it comes to our opinions but I still hold him in esteem. Just because he's a TL vet does not mean I won't keep him in check when he's running his mouth. bly also knows that when I do so, it's not out of malice.
So when you make comments about how TL LoL mods are power hungry, you're just embarassing yourself. Apparently you don't have a clue what I have personally contributed in making this subforum what it is today.

To everyone else, we can continue talking in circles about this debacle but frankly I think it's run its course. Keep in mind two things: 1) Riot's expectations of their game and its users, 2) IWD's willingness to ignore warnings and bans on 9 different instances. This includes Riot department heads contacting IWD and dig outside of the game.
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 06 2012 00:04 GMT
#383
Good Post Neo

Personally I was very amused when he wrote:"is that really how moderators act now?" coming from someone who has been a member of this forum for not even 2 month it is kinda funny since I doubt he knows mods "used" to act.

you watched "whose league is it anyway" earlier, didn't you? What did Odee say regarding this?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 00:19:50
December 06 2012 00:19 GMT
#384
Odee said that dig didn't know about the perm ban until recently (don't know how recent exactly) but they were informed of all of IWD's past transgression, many of which was during his coL/pre-dig days. But dig realize those warnings carried over when IWD joined dig.

Over all, he supported Riot's decision. I am very happy to hear both Odee and Torch's straight arrow approach to eSports. No room for BS or preferential treatment if you're a pro. As a pro or pro team, set an example for the community. No excuses.

Like the 10th time I've said it in this thread, "don't be a douche".
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 02:21:43
December 06 2012 02:21 GMT
#385
Artest beat up a spectator, he didn't even get a year ban on basketball, muchless NBA.
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Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 02:30:40
December 06 2012 02:25 GMT
#386
On December 06 2012 11:21 wei2coolman wrote:
Artest beat up a spectator, he didn't even get a year ban on basketball, muchless NBA.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_players_banned_or_suspended_by_the_NBA
On November 20, 2004, Artest was suspended indefinitely by NBA commissioner David Stern for his involvement in the Pacers–Pistons brawl. On the following day, the length of his suspension was determined to last for the remainder of the season; a suspension which eventually totaled 86 games (73 regular season and 13 playoff games).[26]


He was banned the entire NBA season (73/82 regular season games and all playoff games). The NBA can't ban him from basketball, because the NBA doesn't own the game of basketball, and the NBA doesn't own all the arenas in which basketball is played. That's not true with Riot.

I apologize that this is really tangential, but your point is actually wrong, haha.

EDIT: Will take the rest of this nitpicking to PMs.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 06 2012 02:29 GMT
#387
Rest of the season =/= 1 year, and they didn't ban him from playing basketball*, which is also a point. They pretty much left his career intact.

IWD, can't even practice LoL for a year. That's the point of how severe Riot's punishment is, in comparison.

Have the punishment fit the crime. Whatever IWD did, was in no way anywhere close to what Artest did, and yet he got a much heftier punishment.
liftlift > tsm
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 02:32:17
December 06 2012 02:29 GMT
#388
IWD deserved to be punished. But I do think the punishment may not exactly fit the crime.

Has he been punished before? Like from tournaments and stuff, for this kind of behavior.
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Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
December 06 2012 02:32 GMT
#389
On December 06 2012 11:29 wei2coolman wrote:
Rest of the season =/= 1 year, and they didn't ban him from playing basketball*, which is also a point. They pretty much left his career intact.

IWD, can't even practice LoL for a year. That's the point of how severe Riot's punishment is, in comparison.

Have the punishment fit the crime. Whatever IWD did, was in no way anywhere close to what Artest did, and yet he got a much heftier punishment.


Yes he can, he's not banned from making a smurf. Good God, get your facts straight.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 06 2012 02:34 GMT
#390
On December 06 2012 11:32 Pooshlmer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 11:29 wei2coolman wrote:
Rest of the season =/= 1 year, and they didn't ban him from playing basketball*, which is also a point. They pretty much left his career intact.

IWD, can't even practice LoL for a year. That's the point of how severe Riot's punishment is, in comparison.

Have the punishment fit the crime. Whatever IWD did, was in no way anywhere close to what Artest did, and yet he got a much heftier punishment.


Yes he can, he's not banned from making a smurf. Good God, get your facts straight.

His smurfs will be banned if found out.
liftlift > tsm
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 06 2012 02:35 GMT
#391
pretty sure he is.. it means he can't play league for a year unless he does so in secret.
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 02:40:41
December 06 2012 02:38 GMT
#392
"In addition, all other existing known accounts used by IWillDominate are permanently banned."

I don't think they put that 'existing' word randomly. The reason for it was that, surprise surprise, he was being an asshole on them too.

I'm sure if he streams on a smurf and acts up they'll be quicker to ban him, but I don't think they will track his IP.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
December 06 2012 02:38 GMT
#393
On December 06 2012 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
pretty sure he is.. it means he can't play league for a year unless he does so in secret.


Neo or anyone else, do we know for sure if he's allowed to make another account? I was under the impression that he would be allowed to, but just not compete for a year. Or, is he completely black listed from LoL for a year?
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 02:43:54
December 06 2012 02:43 GMT
#394
On December 06 2012 11:38 Takkara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
pretty sure he is.. it means he can't play league for a year unless he does so in secret.


Neo or anyone else, do we know for sure if he's allowed to make another account? I was under the impression that he would be allowed to, but just not compete for a year. Or, is he completely black listed from LoL for a year?

I'm gonna make an assumption and say yes, he is allowed. Especially since he said he's going to practice hard for a year to keep his mechanics in shape. That sounds like he's allowed to make a new account.

AFAIK no one has ever been perma-perma banned.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 06 2012 02:46 GMT
#395
well even if they IP track him he can play with a proxy, etc, but it would be against Riot's will, so basically he's blacklisted for a year, can't imagine the punishment meaning anything different. Obviously no team is gonna pick up someone who can't practice, and assuming he can play on the tourney client or something, no team is gonna pick up someone who can only play MLG or something.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
December 06 2012 02:51 GMT
#396
Teams aren't going to pick him up on their main rosters.
He'll probably be able to make a new smurf, they'll know it's him but all they'll do is remember his old bans (so if he lands in tribunal again he'll get perma'd the first time).

For MLG etc. he will probably get tapped to sub for teams who are missing members, he won't be able to play as much as a regular pro but it won't be like he'll be completely out for a year.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 05:06:10
December 06 2012 05:05 GMT
#397
It sounds like he got what he deserved. What comes around goes around. I imagine he will just level up a new smurf though.....
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 05:20:04
December 06 2012 05:18 GMT
#398
On December 06 2012 11:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 11:32 Pooshlmer wrote:
On December 06 2012 11:29 wei2coolman wrote:
Rest of the season =/= 1 year, and they didn't ban him from playing basketball*, which is also a point. They pretty much left his career intact.

IWD, can't even practice LoL for a year. That's the point of how severe Riot's punishment is, in comparison.

Have the punishment fit the crime. Whatever IWD did, was in no way anywhere close to what Artest did, and yet he got a much heftier punishment.


Yes he can, he's not banned from making a smurf. Good God, get your facts straight.

His smurfs will be banned if found out.

no they won't. cite where you heard that because that's untrue as far as I know. the punishment was that Riot banned all known accounts of IWD. Not "prevent IWD from playing LoL for one year"

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2864421

It specifically says:
Penalties:
IWillDominate is ineligible to play in the League of Legends Championship Series for a period of one year. This suspension shall commence immediately.

In addition, all other existing known accounts used by IWillDominate are permanently banned.

Nowhere does it say he's banned from playing for a year.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
December 06 2012 05:46 GMT
#399
On December 06 2012 08:59 NeoIllusions wrote:
@bly: perhaps "shitting up the subforum" is taking it a step too far but you and I both know how unyieldingly stubborn you can be sometimes and this is one of those times. I'm glad JBright finally got through to you. Riot's main goal is to mold the community to their expectation. To everyone who thinks this is "carebear" mentality, stop being such a jackass. No one is saying all LoL players need to pander each other and compliment every good thing they do. "Don't be a douche" is not asking for too much.
IWD was appropriately punished. If you think a year is too long, then you have an issue with severity, which is ok by me. But IWD losing out on the money from being a pro is a consequence of his own actions. He had ample warning. When does it become his own fault for not heeding Riot when they came at him 9 times with temp bans?

@Shake: there are a bunch of pros who have been assholes in the past and many of them have reformed. The main big one is really HotShotgg. Even TSM members like Regi and Dyrus have moments of rage still. I know Dyrus has been temp banned in the past as well. But in the end, pretty much all their behavior have been on an upswing and I highly doubt they've been reported at the rate or frequency that IWD was. You can argue that your personal experience with IWD was not as bad as with TSM but your experience is a small sample and in all, IWD was consider more toxic by a panel of his peers.

@VayneAuthority: I meant "no kidding". Please check my profile and zulu's profile for our TL join dates. We're probably two of the oldest TL users in this subforum. bly and I butt heads when it comes to our opinions but I still hold him in esteem. Just because he's a TL vet does not mean I won't keep him in check when he's running his mouth. bly also knows that when I do so, it's not out of malice.
So when you make comments about how TL LoL mods are power hungry, you're just embarassing yourself. Apparently you don't have a clue what I have personally contributed in making this subforum what it is today.

To everyone else, we can continue talking in circles about this debacle but frankly I think it's run its course. Keep in mind two things: 1) Riot's expectations of their game and its users, 2) IWD's willingness to ignore warnings and bans on 9 different instances. This includes Riot department heads contacting IWD and dig outside of the game.


I have been posting in this subforum since it existed and have been at TL just as long.
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Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
December 06 2012 05:55 GMT
#400
On December 06 2012 05:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 05:32 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On December 06 2012 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 06 2012 05:30 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On December 06 2012 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 06 2012 04:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
bly, stop shitting the subforum. No kid.
This has nothing to do with mob mentality.

Edit: I've played with IWD in 3s a bunch of times and he was inflammatory towards my team, constantly spamming "how did you guys get to this elo" in a slightly more profane way.
Edit2: Listening to SotL, will comment here in a moment. Let's just say people are reporting you by the handful, bly. Sometimes you just don't know when to let go.



haha "no kid"

is that really how moderators act now? riot is not the only one power hungry I see

People have a difference in opinion, your opinion is not any more correct than his.


As Neo says in a later post, it's because he was getting a ton of reports about bly's posts, not because of his own personal opinions. Also, TL moderators have always acted with that kind of tone, and it isn't a bad thing. Just look at the Ban List. That was also a warning, not an outright forum-level-action, so power-hungry is not the word you're looking for.


I just find it ironic that he is talking about IWD being toxic and then using that to address some one, which is just as condescending.


"No kid" = "no kidding." As in, he was giving a serious warning. I feel like you're saying that Neo was calling him a kid. He wasn't.


that is the worst abbreviation ive ever seen if thats true lol. completely changes the tone and meaning


What, have you never heard it phrased as "I kid you not"? It's not actually an abbreviation, kid can be used just like kidding, it's only that the in progress "I am kiddding" is more common than the regular "I kid". If he were calling him a kid it would need a comma to be properly interpreted that way, as in "No, kid. It's actually like this, etc etc." It's a misreading on your part, neo said it fine, the -ing form isn't necessary.
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