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I applaud Riot's efforts at making the game more civil. Sucks for IWD but if he's been this bad... well, he had it coming.
It's important to show people just because they're really good at something they can't be fuckwads while doing it.
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On December 06 2012 05:17 JBright wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 05:01 zulu_nation8 wrote:On December 06 2012 04:43 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 04:34 zulu_nation8 wrote:On December 06 2012 04:24 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 04:18 zulu_nation8 wrote:
yes professional athletes get banned from their sport for something outside of professional sports when they do stuff like commit murder. In football/soccer, when have people ever been globally banned except for doping? Hence my first argument. How am I sprouting BS? I obviously know people have been affected when he got reported, I'm saying no one HERE has been affected yet people are too quick to be as unsympathetic as possible. Because we can relate to the action of being harrassed or insulted in a game. So when a person mugs someone on the street we should be sympathetic because he didn't mug us in particular? Are you trying to be annoying now? Of course you don't get global bans on football, cause they are not necessary. Players have binding contracts that prohibit them from playing for other teams, so while a player is banned from X league is not like he can play in Y league while his banned. so like I said, IWD has become the scapegoat for every solo queuer who has ever gotten harassed or insulted. The difference is he's not the people who have harassed you and you only know him from progaming, His image as a normal, even professional progamer is destroyed because of something that has nothing to do with anyone aside from like the 1k people at his elo who've queued into or with him, I don't even think he's played that many solo queue games last season. But the public outcry is so strong because apparently he's become the guy who just harassed you in game yesterday. I think this is called mob mentality, without concern for the individual. IWD has not become a scapegoat. People get banned all the time for their soloQ behaviour. Progamers and steamers get banned for trolling in games (Dyrus come to my mind). This is just the first of someone being banned globally and I expect this to happen to other people under the same circumstances who do the same. Since you discredit our opinion because we haven't been q'd against IWD, I'll paste Snoopeh's thoughts. Snoopeh has played vs IWD many times, more than you and me, and everyone in this conversation combined. [–]snoopeh 1567 points 21 hours ago (2113|546)
While I feel for the guys over at Dignitas and especially Odee (their Manager) who is a fantastic guy, as well as team owner.
I don't know the extent of IWD's behaviour in or out of game, but I know that Riot would not enforce such punishment light heartedly - therefore I'd assume it's justified.
It's sad to see anyone act in a disrespectful manner, even more so a professional player who's behaviour is reflected onto the entire community. I hope this sets an example to other top players that may think they have some sort of 'superior status,' which makes them immune from punishment.
Obviously professional players are in the eyes of the public way more than most and we can also be easily provoked into acting uncharacteristically. However it does not excuse poor behaviour, especially on a recurring basis - this is a step forward by Riot in professionalising the LoL Pro Scene which they are very passionate about. So, one of IWD's peers, under the same circumstances (meaning he could be a 'victim' of the same treat) is happy this is being enforced. Ok I will elaborate further on my point that no one here has played with him in solo queue just in case people misinterpret it as another elitist argument. I have never played with or against IWD in any queue. I did not know that he was a rager in solo queue until this thread was made. I know what he looks like and a bit of his personality from interviews and press. I'm assuming his exposure to me is the same as with most league players. From his interviews and press, I felt like he's just another standard progamer personality, his play is ok, some good games bad games, his interviews are ok, basic answers, nothing out of the ordinary. He looks kinda lame but that's my opinion. All of a sudden I read he has been banned from progaming for a year, which practically is a lifetime ban. My first reaction, and the reaction I would hope reasonable people to have, is that wow, I don't wish that upon anyone, he must've done something really wrong. When I saw it was raging in solo queue, I was puzzled. Next I come into this thread reading posts as if he just raped everyone's family. I get that ragers are bad and make the game unfun. But to wish someone's life to be ruined over raging in a video game, especially someone that no one here has personally been the victim of, is a sentiment lacking in conscience and sympathy. If you disagree and think, no it's absolutely fine for me to hate someone I don't know and be glad his life is ruined over something I didn't know they did until 2 days ago, to people I don't know, then there's nothing more to say. If you perhaps agree that the reaction is harsh, then hence my point. There is no question that IWD deserved the permaban after being punished by the tribunal multiple times (any time after the first one is just IWD being an idiot). What I'm getting from you is whether the 1 year ban fit the crime. Maybe, maybe not. It's not Riot's responsibility to ensure that IWD has a good life after the "crime" has been committed. I just think that you've become too attached to all the potential consequences in IWD's life after being banned.
I think the reason the whole mob mentality argument got brought in the first place was because a lot of people in favor of the ban kept saying things like "lol how can you even be against this?" or "You'd be stupid to think he doesn't deserve this." These phrases make if seem like if I disagree with someone else's opinion, they think I'm stupid and my opinion is worthless, which is not conducive to a civil discussion about the entire incident =\. The severity of the punishment was one of my biggest issues but I just get yelled at for supporting BM in the game when that was never the point I was trying to make
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On December 06 2012 03:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 03:47 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim. No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself. he cant actually ban himself from progaming so i think it's fair to say riot ruined his life, he dropped out of college the last semester to pursue progaming, hence he has no degree and no other method of income. I think people taking raging in solo queue just a bit too seriously. Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 03:48 IntoTheWow wrote:
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up. because solo queue is where riot markets progamers
I don't see how you can it's fair to say Riot ruined his life. If a student dropped out of school *cough*Lebron James*cough* to play in the NBA, then got caught doping and got banned, did the NBA ruin his life?
No offense, but this is a ridiculous notion and I expected more from you.
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He was Perma banned, as a result of that they also banned him from there own self payed and organized league.
Say its severe all you want. When you tell someone you don't want him in your game (a perma ban) and then happily pay him a salary is just hypocritical.
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On December 06 2012 06:58 jacosajh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 03:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On December 06 2012 03:47 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim. No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself. he cant actually ban himself from progaming so i think it's fair to say riot ruined his life, he dropped out of college the last semester to pursue progaming, hence he has no degree and no other method of income. I think people taking raging in solo queue just a bit too seriously. On December 06 2012 03:48 IntoTheWow wrote:
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up. because solo queue is where riot markets progamers I don't see how you can it's fair to say Riot ruined his life. If a student dropped out of school *cough*Lebron James*cough* to play in the NBA, then got caught doping and got banned, did the NBA ruin his life? No offense, but this is a ridiculous notion and I expected more from you.
The major difference with this analogy is that the NBA has specific rules that say if you get caught with PED you can be suspended or banned. Riot can justify the ban by using an interpretation of the EULA that doesn't specifically say anything about progaming or suspensions. There's no 1:1 parity. Again, I'm not saying they don't have the right to do this, just that the analogy is a bit different.
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On December 06 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 06:58 jacosajh wrote:On December 06 2012 03:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On December 06 2012 03:47 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim. No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself. he cant actually ban himself from progaming so i think it's fair to say riot ruined his life, he dropped out of college the last semester to pursue progaming, hence he has no degree and no other method of income. I think people taking raging in solo queue just a bit too seriously. On December 06 2012 03:48 IntoTheWow wrote:
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up. because solo queue is where riot markets progamers I don't see how you can it's fair to say Riot ruined his life. If a student dropped out of school *cough*Lebron James*cough* to play in the NBA, then got caught doping and got banned, did the NBA ruin his life? No offense, but this is a ridiculous notion and I expected more from you. The major difference with this analogy is that the NBA has specific rules that say if you get caught with PED you can be suspended or banned. Riot can justify the ban by using an interpretation of the EULA that doesn't specifically say anything about progaming or suspensions. There's no 1:1 parity. Again, I'm not saying they don't have the right to do this, just that the analogy is a bit different.
From other accounts, dig and IWD did get prior warning from Rior about this happening
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On December 06 2012 07:12 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 06 2012 06:58 jacosajh wrote:On December 06 2012 03:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On December 06 2012 03:47 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim. No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself. he cant actually ban himself from progaming so i think it's fair to say riot ruined his life, he dropped out of college the last semester to pursue progaming, hence he has no degree and no other method of income. I think people taking raging in solo queue just a bit too seriously. On December 06 2012 03:48 IntoTheWow wrote:
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up. because solo queue is where riot markets progamers I don't see how you can it's fair to say Riot ruined his life. If a student dropped out of school *cough*Lebron James*cough* to play in the NBA, then got caught doping and got banned, did the NBA ruin his life? No offense, but this is a ridiculous notion and I expected more from you. The major difference with this analogy is that the NBA has specific rules that say if you get caught with PED you can be suspended or banned. Riot can justify the ban by using an interpretation of the EULA that doesn't specifically say anything about progaming or suspensions. There's no 1:1 parity. Again, I'm not saying they don't have the right to do this, just that the analogy is a bit different. From other accounts, dig and IWD did get prior warning from Rior about this happening
And I agree he should have stopped if he was warned, its his own dumbass fault if he didn't think Riot was serious. The sports analogy still isn't the same, a warning isn't a written rule. Even though he deserved to be punished if he disregarded Riot, I can still disagree with the severity of the punishment.
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On December 06 2012 07:21 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 07:12 thenexusp wrote:On December 06 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 06 2012 06:58 jacosajh wrote:On December 06 2012 03:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On December 06 2012 03:47 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim. No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself. he cant actually ban himself from progaming so i think it's fair to say riot ruined his life, he dropped out of college the last semester to pursue progaming, hence he has no degree and no other method of income. I think people taking raging in solo queue just a bit too seriously. On December 06 2012 03:48 IntoTheWow wrote:
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up. because solo queue is where riot markets progamers I don't see how you can it's fair to say Riot ruined his life. If a student dropped out of school *cough*Lebron James*cough* to play in the NBA, then got caught doping and got banned, did the NBA ruin his life? No offense, but this is a ridiculous notion and I expected more from you. The major difference with this analogy is that the NBA has specific rules that say if you get caught with PED you can be suspended or banned. Riot can justify the ban by using an interpretation of the EULA that doesn't specifically say anything about progaming or suspensions. There's no 1:1 parity. Again, I'm not saying they don't have the right to do this, just that the analogy is a bit different. From other accounts, dig and IWD did get prior warning from Rior about this happening And I agree he should have stopped if he was warned, its his own dumbass fault if he didn't think Riot was serious. The sports analogy still isn't the same, a warning isn't a written rule. Even though he deserved to be punished if he disregarded Riot, I can still disagree with the severity of the punishment.
I once again refer to my earlier post. Riot told him they didnt want him to play there game (the perma ban) should they then allow him to play in there own organized and sponsored league and pay him a salary?
Remember they banned him only from the Championship series. Ipl/MLG/go4lol all that stuff he is still allowed to play in.
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Personally, I think the punishment is fitting. I would've motioned for ostracizing IWD altogether if I was part of the internal discussion at Riot, but I guess since they had no precedent regarding this matter, they had to start somewhere.
Just don't be a dick.
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On December 06 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 06:58 jacosajh wrote:On December 06 2012 03:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On December 06 2012 03:47 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim. No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself. he cant actually ban himself from progaming so i think it's fair to say riot ruined his life, he dropped out of college the last semester to pursue progaming, hence he has no degree and no other method of income. I think people taking raging in solo queue just a bit too seriously. On December 06 2012 03:48 IntoTheWow wrote:
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up. because solo queue is where riot markets progamers I don't see how you can it's fair to say Riot ruined his life. If a student dropped out of school *cough*Lebron James*cough* to play in the NBA, then got caught doping and got banned, did the NBA ruin his life? No offense, but this is a ridiculous notion and I expected more from you. The major difference with this analogy is that the NBA has specific rules that say if you get caught with PED you can be suspended or banned. Riot can justify the ban by using an interpretation of the EULA that doesn't specifically say anything about progaming or suspensions. There's no 1:1 parity. Again, I'm not saying they don't have the right to do this, just that the analogy is a bit different.
This is really the crux of the issue. I am 100% for making players ineligible from competitive play if you get perma-banned for awful behavior in solo-Q. I approve of Riot trying to make a more pleasant gaming experience for average gamers and trying to promote a professional image. The problem is that no where in the ToS is it written that a potential consequence of your account being permanently banned is ineligibility from competitive play. Though Riot may have contacted IWD and Team Dignitas outside of the game to warn them of the consequences this is not particularly professional. I hope in the future Riot will put down into writing (contract) exactly the rules and guidelines you need to follow to be eligible to play in the competitive scene.
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On December 06 2012 07:40 Pantagruel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 06 2012 06:58 jacosajh wrote:On December 06 2012 03:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On December 06 2012 03:47 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim. No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself. he cant actually ban himself from progaming so i think it's fair to say riot ruined his life, he dropped out of college the last semester to pursue progaming, hence he has no degree and no other method of income. I think people taking raging in solo queue just a bit too seriously. On December 06 2012 03:48 IntoTheWow wrote:
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up. because solo queue is where riot markets progamers I don't see how you can it's fair to say Riot ruined his life. If a student dropped out of school *cough*Lebron James*cough* to play in the NBA, then got caught doping and got banned, did the NBA ruin his life? No offense, but this is a ridiculous notion and I expected more from you. The major difference with this analogy is that the NBA has specific rules that say if you get caught with PED you can be suspended or banned. Riot can justify the ban by using an interpretation of the EULA that doesn't specifically say anything about progaming or suspensions. There's no 1:1 parity. Again, I'm not saying they don't have the right to do this, just that the analogy is a bit different. This is really the crux of the issue. I am 100% for making players ineligible from competitive play if you get perma-banned for awful behavior in solo-Q. I approve of Riot trying to make a more pleasant gaming experience for average gamers and trying to promote a professional image. The problem is that no where in the ToS is it written that a potential consequence of your account being permanently banned is ineligibility from competitive play. Though Riot may have contacted IWD and Team Dignitas outside of the game to warn them of the consequences this is not particularly professional. I hope in the future Riot will put down into writing (contract) exactly the rules and guidelines you need to follow to be eligible to play in the competitive scene.
Have you read the contracts that players of the Championship have signed? if not then you have no idea what your talking about. This isnt something for the EULA or ToS but the contract Riot offers players when they pay them salary.
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On December 06 2012 07:21 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 07:12 thenexusp wrote:On December 06 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 06 2012 06:58 jacosajh wrote:On December 06 2012 03:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On December 06 2012 03:47 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim. No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself. he cant actually ban himself from progaming so i think it's fair to say riot ruined his life, he dropped out of college the last semester to pursue progaming, hence he has no degree and no other method of income. I think people taking raging in solo queue just a bit too seriously. On December 06 2012 03:48 IntoTheWow wrote:
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up. because solo queue is where riot markets progamers I don't see how you can it's fair to say Riot ruined his life. If a student dropped out of school *cough*Lebron James*cough* to play in the NBA, then got caught doping and got banned, did the NBA ruin his life? No offense, but this is a ridiculous notion and I expected more from you. The major difference with this analogy is that the NBA has specific rules that say if you get caught with PED you can be suspended or banned. Riot can justify the ban by using an interpretation of the EULA that doesn't specifically say anything about progaming or suspensions. There's no 1:1 parity. Again, I'm not saying they don't have the right to do this, just that the analogy is a bit different. From other accounts, dig and IWD did get prior warning from Rior about this happening And I agree he should have stopped if he was warned, its his own dumbass fault if he didn't think Riot was serious. The sports analogy still isn't the same, a warning isn't a written rule. Even though he deserved to be punished if he disregarded Riot, I can still disagree with the severity of the punishment.
On the severity of the punishment, I sorta agree with it. He clearly didn't get it and if you don't hit him with a severe punishment he'd probably just laugh it off. Sometimes a severe punishment is needed to get the message across to the player.
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It's riot's game and it's their server. Imagine if a pro football player went to some practice scrim sponsored by the NFL at a high school and started bitching at people and acting like an idiot and kept it up through 8 warnings from the league. It wouldn't sit well. The pro players are themselves a representative and they give off a bad image of the community (much worse impact than others) if they act that way.
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On December 06 2012 07:51 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 07:21 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 06 2012 07:12 thenexusp wrote:On December 06 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 06 2012 06:58 jacosajh wrote:On December 06 2012 03:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On December 06 2012 03:47 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim. No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself. he cant actually ban himself from progaming so i think it's fair to say riot ruined his life, he dropped out of college the last semester to pursue progaming, hence he has no degree and no other method of income. I think people taking raging in solo queue just a bit too seriously. On December 06 2012 03:48 IntoTheWow wrote:
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up. because solo queue is where riot markets progamers I don't see how you can it's fair to say Riot ruined his life. If a student dropped out of school *cough*Lebron James*cough* to play in the NBA, then got caught doping and got banned, did the NBA ruin his life? No offense, but this is a ridiculous notion and I expected more from you. The major difference with this analogy is that the NBA has specific rules that say if you get caught with PED you can be suspended or banned. Riot can justify the ban by using an interpretation of the EULA that doesn't specifically say anything about progaming or suspensions. There's no 1:1 parity. Again, I'm not saying they don't have the right to do this, just that the analogy is a bit different. From other accounts, dig and IWD did get prior warning from Rior about this happening And I agree he should have stopped if he was warned, its his own dumbass fault if he didn't think Riot was serious. The sports analogy still isn't the same, a warning isn't a written rule. Even though he deserved to be punished if he disregarded Riot, I can still disagree with the severity of the punishment. On the severity of the punishment, I sorta agree with it. He clearly didn't get it and if you don't hit him with a severe punishment he'd probably just laugh it off. Sometimes a severe punishment is needed to get the message across to the player.
This is all opinion, so no argument there. I just feel a one month competitive ban, the permaban on his accounts, and a fine would have been enough. That's all.
Edit: Edited for clarity
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On December 06 2012 08:15 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 07:51 Femari wrote:On December 06 2012 07:21 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 06 2012 07:12 thenexusp wrote:On December 06 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 06 2012 06:58 jacosajh wrote:On December 06 2012 03:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On December 06 2012 03:47 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim. No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself. he cant actually ban himself from progaming so i think it's fair to say riot ruined his life, he dropped out of college the last semester to pursue progaming, hence he has no degree and no other method of income. I think people taking raging in solo queue just a bit too seriously. On December 06 2012 03:48 IntoTheWow wrote:
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up. because solo queue is where riot markets progamers I don't see how you can it's fair to say Riot ruined his life. If a student dropped out of school *cough*Lebron James*cough* to play in the NBA, then got caught doping and got banned, did the NBA ruin his life? No offense, but this is a ridiculous notion and I expected more from you. The major difference with this analogy is that the NBA has specific rules that say if you get caught with PED you can be suspended or banned. Riot can justify the ban by using an interpretation of the EULA that doesn't specifically say anything about progaming or suspensions. There's no 1:1 parity. Again, I'm not saying they don't have the right to do this, just that the analogy is a bit different. From other accounts, dig and IWD did get prior warning from Rior about this happening And I agree he should have stopped if he was warned, its his own dumbass fault if he didn't think Riot was serious. The sports analogy still isn't the same, a warning isn't a written rule. Even though he deserved to be punished if he disregarded Riot, I can still disagree with the severity of the punishment. On the severity of the punishment, I sorta agree with it. He clearly didn't get it and if you don't hit him with a severe punishment he'd probably just laugh it off. Sometimes a severe punishment is needed to get the message across to the player. This is all opinion, so no argument there. I just feel a month ban and a fine would have been enough. That's all.
So, your opinion is that after being punished 8 times already a 1 month ban will set him straight? 9th times the charm I guess.
Quite generous of you, I however don't share your view.
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Step #1 try not to rage
Step #2 disable all chat
Step #3 pry the damn enter key off your keyboard so you can't talk in-game
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I support punishment, but I think one year ban from competition was a bit harsh. Oh well, better than nothing. I guess that is what leftists like me feel after advocating prison reform...
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On December 06 2012 08:18 DonKey_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:15 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 06 2012 07:51 Femari wrote:On December 06 2012 07:21 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 06 2012 07:12 thenexusp wrote:On December 06 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 06 2012 06:58 jacosajh wrote:On December 06 2012 03:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On December 06 2012 03:47 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim. No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself. he cant actually ban himself from progaming so i think it's fair to say riot ruined his life, he dropped out of college the last semester to pursue progaming, hence he has no degree and no other method of income. I think people taking raging in solo queue just a bit too seriously. On December 06 2012 03:48 IntoTheWow wrote:
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up. because solo queue is where riot markets progamers I don't see how you can it's fair to say Riot ruined his life. If a student dropped out of school *cough*Lebron James*cough* to play in the NBA, then got caught doping and got banned, did the NBA ruin his life? No offense, but this is a ridiculous notion and I expected more from you. The major difference with this analogy is that the NBA has specific rules that say if you get caught with PED you can be suspended or banned. Riot can justify the ban by using an interpretation of the EULA that doesn't specifically say anything about progaming or suspensions. There's no 1:1 parity. Again, I'm not saying they don't have the right to do this, just that the analogy is a bit different. From other accounts, dig and IWD did get prior warning from Rior about this happening And I agree he should have stopped if he was warned, its his own dumbass fault if he didn't think Riot was serious. The sports analogy still isn't the same, a warning isn't a written rule. Even though he deserved to be punished if he disregarded Riot, I can still disagree with the severity of the punishment. On the severity of the punishment, I sorta agree with it. He clearly didn't get it and if you don't hit him with a severe punishment he'd probably just laugh it off. Sometimes a severe punishment is needed to get the message across to the player. This is all opinion, so no argument there. I just feel a month ban and a fine would have been enough. That's all. So, your opinion is that after being punished 8 times already a 1 month ban will set him straight? 9th times the charm I guess. Quite generous of you, I however don't share your view.
A one month competitive ban, the permaban on his account is acceptable. Edited my prior comment for clarity.
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Let the butthurt kids have their fun, then this game can become the complete circlejerk it was meant to be. Then in the end only riot employees are allowed to troll. Done fisting a bunch of crybabies? (noob, gg, easy)...time to move on. Though it probably won't take long for an embittered jungler to go postal and blow up riot hq or something ("Ban me from your game? Ban you from existence grrrr")
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On December 06 2012 08:20 TheLink wrote:
Step #1 try not to rage
Step #2 disable all chat
Step #3 pry the damn enter key off your keyboard so you can't talk in-game
you know, some people DO use their computer for non-gaming stuff (writing essays, heck posting on TL) kinda hard to do that without an enter key 
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