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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On December 05 2012 12:52 De4ngus wrote: how this happen to iwd and not someone like oddone? iwd doesnt even talk that much lol. Yeah that's what I'm confused about. IWD obv can be a rager but more-so than Dyrus and Oddone? I find that extremely hard to believe, just going off my experiences. But 8 bans is pretty crazy though lol. | ||
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Craton
United States17233 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:48 sAsImre wrote: you haven't play wow if that's true. play every major mmo. Stop lying in order to be the one who got the last word. I don't even know where people get these ridiculous ideas. I know it gets tossed around from time to time on random forums, but it's always crushed with hundreds of examples. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Also, this isn't unheard of in other games. IIRC artstyle from Dota2 was blacklisted from by several big name tourney organizations/organizers for being a douche. Granted, its a bit different than having Tue game company doing the action, but same end result. Also, I've played with IWD before and he's an utter asshole. He doesnt just rage but he legit trolls people and purposefully throw games as well. Me and my roommate both fucking hate having him on our team in solo q 9 times out of 10. Typing on phone pardon mytypos lol | ||
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Lysteria
France2279 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:57 beef42 wrote: Why can't LoL be like this? If people want clean moderated games, let the community organize inhouse leagues or 5v5 tournaments where rules can be created and enforced by the community itself. The thing is, Riot wants to have clean games as a standart. What you're considering as a luxury is just what they want for their game, and I'm fine with that. If they wanted us to be a bunch of douchebags, i would have been fine with that too, but that's not the case. The possibility to have nice games with nice players, I don't want to have an ELO of 2500+, or cutting myself from 10 millions players just to play games with nice guys. If those 10 millions players can just chill out and have fun without being toxic - everyone can have a bad day from time to time - I will gladly take it. It's not that hard to just shut the fuck up when you can't stop yourself from raging, isn't it ? I've played thousands of BW and LoL games, and if I felt sometimes frustrated, I don't know why you have to be agressive with all the other players. LoL is becoming a lot more friendly since they added the honor system, and now that. It becomes easier to joke with allies and enemies without someone being mad, losing or winning the game. It's not yet perfect but I hope it's a next step to clean the game. And I hope IWD will learn his lesson and come back as a respectable player in the future. | ||
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Filter
Canada620 Posts
The guy had 8 chances to reform, and act like a professional. He never did and at the end of the day pro or not pro he was making enough peoples experiences playing the game bad that he had to be removed. The people that pay riots bills are guys like you and me that suck, not the professionals. The pros are a vehicle to grow the game and when in certain cases you have people that are so poorly mannered they negatively impact the game they should not be getting anything from Riot, or anybody else. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
Then there's a point that you all seem to forget. Do you really think other pro players were not warned for their behavior? Reginaid back in beta was pretty bad, and he also got banned a couple of times as well(although this was nowhere near as strict as IWD's case). I remember a few "pros" in beta were warned quite a bit. There's also other incentives to keeping up good behavior for streamers(getting featured boosts your stream by at least 10k if you go by the general trend.) If you consider the Regniaid from beta to what he is doing now. It's a pretty huge difference. I mean why do you guys think guys like Dyrus write up an apology almost the exact second something blows up(aside from caring about his fans which I will assume is implied)? | ||
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tissue
Malaysia441 Posts
On December 05 2012 10:48 beef42 wrote: That's the thing. Executive decision. While Riot may own the game and its servers, we, the community, are the ones who play it. We're the ones who made the game what it is. Without us, LoL would be nothing. Some forgotten f2p game played by Brazillians and Russians too poor to afford WoW subscriptions. We do not need executive decision from some shadowy central banning committee that answers to no one. We, the online gaming community in general, have been doing quite fine for about two decades now on self-policing, and I don't understand why this has to stop just because of the centralised servers that are part of the f2p model. Riot may have legal right to do whatever they want, but they don't have the moral right. They owe it to the community that made them what they are to decide for themselves. Running the game like an 80s Warsaw pact country is not the way to go. This is pretty hilarious. So IWD is a douche in solo queue, but he's untouchable because he has no reason to care about the consequences for his conduct. What are you going to do to him with your community self-policing? Give him a stern talking-to? Tell everyone to refuse to practice with him? Throw games that he joins? Or perhaps some emails to his sponsors should do the trick, I heard that works out pretty well. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On December 05 2012 13:17 HazMat wrote: Yeah that's what I'm confused about. IWD obv can be a rager but more-so than Dyrus and Oddone? I find that extremely hard to believe, just going off my experiences. But 8 bans is pretty crazy though lol. Riot doesn't count raging on stream probably  I think the Oddone gets all his rage out verbally. Plus, him and Dyrus have this strange, lovable , happy-go-lucky thing going on. Whereas, IWD has a condescending name + condescending attitude. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
with iwd seems like the reverse, really. not too surprised | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote: So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree. this is entirely aliens and bizzare to me. in any place of business where one customer is harassing another customer, the one doing the harassing is asked to leave. if it is repeated again and again, he may be banned from entering the premises. hurling insults at other customers is not accepted in restaurants, stores, supermarkets, banks - basically anywhere in civilized society. what you stand behind is essentially the right for you to be an asshole. I think that's a really stupid cause to champion, but hey, it's your opinion. | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On December 05 2012 15:41 Kaneh wrote: this is entirely aliens and bizzare to me. in any place of business where one customer is harassing another customer, the one doing the harassing is asked to leave. if it is repeated again and again, he may be banned from entering the premises. hurling insults at other customers is not accepted in restaurants, stores, supermarkets, banks - basically anywhere in civilized society. what you stand behind is essentially the right for you to be an asshole. I think that's a really stupid cause to champion, but hey, it's your opinion. Can I be banned for going outside in real life because I cursed someone out in the street? No. If I curse someone out in the street nothing can happen to me. They can fight, but then they're in the wrong. People need to stop getting butthurt over some shit said over a video game. I'm tired of everyone coddling each other and having this carebear ass attitude online and in real life. Words are words, and nothing more. If you let them bother you then that's on you, not me. Too much qq over being called a "baddie" or "faggot" or "nigger" or whatever slur people use nowdays. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On December 05 2012 15:54 Infernal_dream wrote: No. If I curse someone out in the street nothing can happen to me. They can fight, but then they're in the wrong. People need to stop getting butthurt over some shit said over a video game. I'm tired of everyone coddling each other and having this carebear ass attitude online and in real life. Wait, you talk about coddling and carebear attitude, but say if you curse someone out in real life they can fight you, but they're in the wrong. So basically you're defending the right to be an asshole in real life, but then want to hide behind the law if someone tries to put you in your place for being said asshole? Talk about wanting to be coddled! | ||
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jadoth
694 Posts
On December 05 2012 13:43 ketchup wrote: I have to point out, almost all of this seems to have to do with in-game chat/ and player reports. Remember, this guy was REPORTED and it's actually the tribunal system at work for the majority of his bans. A lot of people keep bringing up other pro players, but they aren't that likely to type out their rage. They generally express themselves verbally, rather than typing. Of course, it's no excuse for anyone to act the way some pro players do, but Riot seems more lenient when the raging does not effect the game directly. Not to mention, being reported for trash talking on stream is probably impossible to validate or take seriously. Then there's a point that you all seem to forget. Do you really think other pro players were not warned for their behavior? Reginaid back in beta was pretty bad, and he also got banned a couple of times as well(although this was nowhere near as strict as IWD's case). I remember a few "pros" in beta were warned quite a bit. There's also other incentives to keeping up good behavior for streamers(getting featured boosts your stream by at least 10k if you go by the general trend.) If you consider the Regniaid from beta to what he is doing now. It's a pretty huge difference. I mean why do you guys think guys like Dyrus write up an apology almost the exact second something blows up(aside from caring about his fans which I will assume is implied)? I don't know what the general consensus on this is but I think on stream rage is completely fine as long as they keep it on stream and out of the chat. It would take something egregious like calling aphro a nigger or threatening violence for me to really have a problem with stream rage. It gets a lot more muddled once player become salaried but I think it would be best if riot keeps up its hand on approach to in game behavior but stays hand off when it comes to on stream behavior. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 05 2012 13:17 HazMat wrote: Yeah that's what I'm confused about. IWD obv can be a rager but more-so than Dyrus and Oddone? I find that extremely hard to believe, just going off my experiences. But 8 bans is pretty crazy though lol. He has renamed half of high elo soloqueue to include "nigger" in their names, so yeah, I can see how he gets more reports than those dudes and thus more tribunal stuff. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 05 2012 15:54 Infernal_dream wrote: Can I be banned for going outside in real life because I cursed someone out in the street? No. If I curse someone out in the street nothing can happen to me. They can fight, but then they're in the wrong. People need to stop getting butthurt over some shit said over a video game. I'm tired of everyone coddling each other and having this carebear ass attitude online and in real life. Words are words, and nothing more. If you let them bother you then that's on you, not me. Too much qq over being called a "baddie" or "faggot" or "nigger" or whatever slur people use nowdays. Last year someone was arrested and convicted because he cursed out his ex-gf in public. Hell not even a few months ago someone was arrested for disorderly conduct for, you guessed it, cursing out someone in public. Cursing someone out is harassment and disorderly conduct, so yeah, shit can happen to you for cursing out people in public. Especially in the US. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
On December 05 2012 15:39 Lann555 wrote: As someone who doesn't follow LoL that much, what stuff did he actually do to get him banned? It says 'verbal abuse', but that can mean a lot of things. Lets just say if you are in one of his games and you make a mistake, he will let you know in not such a nice way, multiple times. | ||
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