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I like the follwing things:
+ Riot banning IWD. The ban reasoning is undisputable.
+ IWD's reaction. He reacted to the ban in the best possible manner. I congratulate him for that. I wish that he will fullfill his dreams and show us all how he improves his behaviour during the ban. This would be an exceptional example and very important for the Tribunal System and the lol community.
I don't like:
- Poeple trying to make this some kind of unfair conspiracy or anything like it. The community wanted him to get banned. Riot warned him and his team several times. They banned him. He apologized to the community and to his team.
Riot was actually acting as a buffer between the tribunal and IWD, giving him additional chances and advising his team.
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Baa?21248 Posts
lol u people make it sound like being allowed to play a video game is some sort of divine, inalienable right and that preventing someone from doing so is a gross injustice...
and wtf "riot has too much power" they made the game they can do whatever the fuck they want
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On December 05 2012 21:05 clickrush wrote:
I like the follwing things:
+ Riot banning IWD. The ban reasoning is undisputable.
+ IWD's reaction. He reacted to the ban in the best possible manner. I congratulate him for that. I wish that he will fullfill his dreams and show us all how he improves his behaviour during the ban. This would be an exceptional example and very important for the Tribunal System and the lol community.
I don't like:
- Poeple trying to make this some kind of unfair conspiracy or anything like it. The community wanted him to get banned. Riot warned him and his team several times. They banned him. He apologized to the community and to his team.
Riot was actually acting as a buffer between the tribunal and IWD, giving him additional chances and advising his team.
To me his response read like generic pr fluff and really says nothing to me beyond him having the discipline to keep his mouth shut until someone told him what to say. His main and all other know accounts were premabanned yet he plans on still playing regularly. The community and Roit has said "we do not want you" but he is coming back. That to me is in no way a positive thing. Riot shouldn't and won't try and stop him but only because it is not worth the effort, not because he deserves a second (10th) chance. If he can manage to act like a normal person and eventually reenter the pro scene then well that's good for him but it is in no way an exceptional example for the LoL community nor a victory for the Tribunal System.
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On December 05 2012 08:11 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
Riot HAS too much power, that's not up for debate.
too much power? wtf does that mean. it's their game. you play on their servers. you read and accept their EULA.
You accept to be permabanned from the game, not from their sponsored events
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On December 05 2012 23:31 Teton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 08:11 travis wrote:On December 05 2012 07:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
Riot HAS too much power, that's not up for debate.
too much power? wtf does that mean. it's their game. you play on their servers. you read and accept their EULA. You accept to be permabanned from the game, not from their sponsored events
How can he play in their sponsored events, if he is perma banned from the game?
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On December 05 2012 23:31 Teton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 08:11 travis wrote:On December 05 2012 07:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
Riot HAS too much power, that's not up for debate.
too much power? wtf does that mean. it's their game. you play on their servers. you read and accept their EULA. You accept to be permabanned from the game, not from their sponsored events
if riot really wanted to, they could just ban all his accounts forever.
Then he cant play in tournaments because participants still play on Riots server.
So yeah, being banned from the game means you cant play the game in a tournament.
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On December 05 2012 23:31 Teton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 08:11 travis wrote:On December 05 2012 07:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
Riot HAS too much power, that's not up for debate.
too much power? wtf does that mean. it's their game. you play on their servers. you read and accept their EULA. You accept to be permabanned from the game, not from their sponsored events
Riot repeatedly said "When we permaban people, we don't want them to make new accounts and come back into the game, even if they pay us more money".
By saying "Yeah, ok, since you are a progamer we'll accept you back next year" they are already more lenient than against their regular playerbase.
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On December 05 2012 23:31 Teton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 08:11 travis wrote:On December 05 2012 07:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
Riot HAS too much power, that's not up for debate.
too much power? wtf does that mean. it's their game. you play on their servers. you read and accept their EULA. You accept to be permabanned from the game, not from their sponsored events
He can go to a LAN event, no one's stopping him. Just he can't play there. You know, being banned from the game and all..
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I'm all for this.
Actually, like many others before me have said, I'm surprised more haven't been banned. Or rather, if TOO/Dyrus is even 1/2 as bad as IWD (which we all agree they are), why haven't TSM received the warning dig received "Your player is acting out of bounds. Deal with that shit or we will ban him."
I don't know anything about IWD but I know (ok, I don't know know, but I think I know) that TOO is smart enough to take such a warning dead serious. I think TOO puts on a facade/an act to entertain his viewers. He is too smart and to cool headed to actually care that much about a soloQ-game. I honestly believe that if this facade was endangering his career (which he would be made aware of by TSM receiving a warning) he would drop it right away.
This leads me to think TOO hasn't come up yet, which means he's not been reported enough, which must mean people he play vs. either accept his tirades or don't care enough to report. Which is strange. I'd report him, even if his flaming is factually correct. He is still toxic in many of the games he plays.
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On December 05 2012 23:53 Cuddle wrote:
I'm all for this.
Actually, like many others before me have said, I'm surprised more haven't been banned. Or rather, if TOO/Dyrus is even 1/2 as bad as IWD (which we all agree they are), why haven't TSM received the warning dig received "Your player is acting out of bounds. Deal with that shit or we will ban him."
I don't know anything about IWD but I know (ok, I don't know know, but I think I know) that TOO is smart enough to take such a warning dead serious. I think TOO puts on a facade/an act to entertain his viewers. He is too smart and to cool headed to actually care that much about a soloQ-game. I honestly believe that if this facade was endangering his career (which he would be made aware of by TSM receiving a warning) he would drop it right away.
This leads me to think TOO hasn't come up yet, which means he's not been reported enough, which must mean people he play vs. either accept his tirades or don't care enough to report. Which is strange. I'd report him, even if his flaming is factually correct. He is still toxic in many of the games he plays.
I don't even. Not only is this off-topic, you are accusing a pro player of lying to an audience. But before you did that you asked why riot doesn't warn people who don't do those things wrong? I just...what?
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TOO isn't that bad. If he rages, it's mostly on camera only. He might call someone a retard but he doesn't tell them that in-game. Basically, it's the same as you thinking it to yourself except you're broadcasting your thoughts -- which is, er, what the point of streams. You watch a progamer play "live" and get an inside look into this thoughts.
Raging and typing out insults is much much much different.
I also agree with the notion that most of TOO's "rage" is in jest. He gets that high-pitched voice like he's complaining/whining, but it really does seem like he doesn't care that much. Even when all the crap went down with TRM and there was a shoutfest, he remained relatively quiet even though a lot of the crap was direct at him.
I honestly don't understand how anyone can compare IWD to most other progamers. Even HSGG isn't that bad. And to say Riot having control over these types of situations is bad... I don't even understand how you can come up with that conclusion.
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am i the only one who doesnt know who iwilldominate are?
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probably, he's the jungler for dignitas
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On December 05 2012 23:38 Gaslo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 23:31 Teton wrote:On December 05 2012 08:11 travis wrote:On December 05 2012 07:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
Riot HAS too much power, that's not up for debate.
too much power? wtf does that mean. it's their game. you play on their servers. you read and accept their EULA. You accept to be permabanned from the game, not from their sponsored events How can he play in their sponsored events, if he is perma banned from the game?
Finns are so amazing. This should be in the OP, it summarizes the entire thread in one short sequence of quotes.
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is awesome32282 Posts
How is anyone against this lol
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On December 05 2012 23:38 Gaslo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 23:31 Teton wrote:On December 05 2012 08:11 travis wrote:On December 05 2012 07:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
Riot HAS too much power, that's not up for debate.
too much power? wtf does that mean. it's their game. you play on their servers. you read and accept their EULA. You accept to be permabanned from the game, not from their sponsored events How can he play in their sponsored events, if he is perma banned from the game?
can use someone else's account if they play on normal servers, and tournament realm accounts aren't tied to your normal account
there was another player who was permabanned recently (on elohell I think it was) but only banned from one tournament. Can still use other accounts to play in sponsored tournaments now.
I agree with riots decision, just worried that they might not have made it clear that this could lead to year suspension, given that the only precedent was one tournament only.
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On December 06 2012 01:06 AsnSensation wrote:
probably, he's the jungler for dignitas
Ah ok thx -_-v
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United States23745 Posts
On December 06 2012 01:42 vicariouscheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 23:38 Gaslo wrote:On December 05 2012 23:31 Teton wrote:On December 05 2012 08:11 travis wrote:On December 05 2012 07:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
Riot HAS too much power, that's not up for debate.
too much power? wtf does that mean. it's their game. you play on their servers. you read and accept their EULA. You accept to be permabanned from the game, not from their sponsored events How can he play in their sponsored events, if he is perma banned from the game? can use someone else's account if they play on normal servers, and tournament realm accounts aren't tied to your normal account there was another player who was permabanned recently (on elohell I think it was) but only banned from one tournament. Can still use other accounts to play in sponsored tournaments now. I agree with riots decision, just worried that they might not have made it clear that this could lead to year suspension, given that the only precedent was one tournament only.
That was my original issue as well, but apparently both he and Dignitas were warned that there would be severe consequences if he didn't improve his behavior. Don't know the specifics, but it seems as though he was warned outside of his in game warnings/bans.
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On December 06 2012 01:22 IntoTheWow wrote:
How is anyone against this lol
^
If anything, they should ban more people (read: pros/streamers/etc.) to be as consistent as possible. If it applies, ofc.
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On December 06 2012 01:22 IntoTheWow wrote:
How is anyone against this lol
The people think you should be able to be a huge ass-hat in public games and that somehow that should not reflect on your professional career?
People who like to be a jerk in the game and don't like to be reminded they are accountable for their actions?
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