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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On December 05 2012 10:32 NeoIllusions wrote: Dunno why this isn't the resounding reaction from TL. I am disappoint. it isnt the resounding reaction because Riot has a history of terrible terrible decisions and misjudgements. They are just not a very professional company. Dat public lynching. This would be great if riot handled it properly but they never do. | ||
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Baffels
United States1486 Posts
On December 05 2012 16:41 ihasaKAROT wrote: Lets just say if you are in one of his games and you make a mistake, he will let you know in not such a nice way, multiple times. Just like every other game of solo que anyone plays ever? Because this happens every single game regardless of the players. Its the community, | ||
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lazyitachi
1043 Posts
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Disposition1989
Canada270 Posts
On December 05 2012 16:46 Baffels wrote: Just like every other game of solo que anyone plays ever? Because this happens every single game regardless of the players. Its the community, He's on a professional team, he has to be held to a higher standard because he's in the public eye. That's the world we live in, our celebrities and the like are everywhere and influencing everyone. Just because he's saying it online doesn't make it any less awful of him to say. Anyways if he's getting a year long ban, he's being a lot worse than just regular solo queue players. No god damn way you get that ban without being a consistent mega asshole. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On December 05 2012 16:53 lazyitachi wrote: I can foresee Destiny's future... Seems to have much similarities in both players... hahaha good one, dude has already played close to 300 ranked games ever since the reset too. HOping for wings toplane and crumbzz jungle! | ||
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Tal
United Kingdom1013 Posts
On December 05 2012 15:54 Infernal_dream wrote: Can I be banned for going outside in real life because I cursed someone out in the street? No. If I curse someone out in the street nothing can happen to me. They can fight, but then they're in the wrong. People need to stop getting butthurt over some shit said over a video game. I'm tired of everyone coddling each other and having this carebear ass attitude online and in real life. Words are words, and nothing more. If you let them bother you then that's on you, not me. Too much qq over being called a "baddie" or "faggot" or "nigger" or whatever slur people use nowdays. If you repeatedly curse someone out, and have witnesses report you 8 times, you'll be in serious trouble  You're could also be ostracized from that community. Words are words? What does that even mean? Don't words have meanings? The worst thing about online gaming is playing with people who don't have basic civility and can't take losing. Luckily, Riot agrees, and is taking good measures, better than any other game company has ever done. I hope they take it further, and inspire everyone else. Asking people to stop being immature cunts isn't a carebear attitude. | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
On December 05 2012 15:54 Infernal_dream wrote: Can I be banned for going outside in real life because I cursed someone out in the street? No. If I curse someone out in the street nothing can happen to me. They can fight, but then they're in the wrong. People need to stop getting butthurt over some shit said over a video game. I'm tired of everyone coddling each other and having this carebear ass attitude online and in real life. Words are words, and nothing more. If you let them bother you then that's on you, not me. Too much qq over being called a "baddie" or "faggot" or "nigger" or whatever slur people use nowdays. Possibly you could be arrested if you were persistent enough. Regardless, the analogy is not correct anyways. If you walked into Applebees and harassed other customers incessantly would you be thrown out? Yes you would. Remember, League of Legends is not a public domain, it is owned by a corporation and whatever they see fit goes. If Riot does not condone people being tumbling tumbling dickweeds then i'm afraid you have to respect that if you want to have any involvement in their product. No one is going to shed a tear for you or protect you if you break the rules. Stop being a carebear and man up. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
I have never been in a game where flaming and trolling is prevalent where I found it enjoyable. I know some kids think it's extremely funny to watch streamers etc rage and troll, but it certainly makes the experience in-game far worse. LoL is a big target for people ranking shitty communities, and I'm sure Riot wants to do their best to fix what is actually considered one of the bigger problems with the game/genre. | ||
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JALbert
United States484 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On December 05 2012 13:17 HazMat wrote: Yeah that's what I'm confused about. IWD obv can be a rager but more-so than Dyrus and Oddone? I find that extremely hard to believe, just going off my experiences. But 8 bans is pretty crazy though lol. Can you tell me more about how TOO BM? I watch his stream sometimes, he does rage but it always in a funny way and in voice chat with his viewers. He didn't type that much in soloQ cos hes busy explain every moves he makes to viewers. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On December 05 2012 18:25 JALbert wrote: What people seem to be missing in the player's union talks is that in most pro sports the players are underpaid relative to free market value and their ability to play is being controlled by owners who make a ton of profit off of them. Riot is providing *more* than market value - they're taking a loss on the strictly eSports side as investment/marketing. Players don't really have leverage because the other side (Riot) is already paying/offering them *more* than what's fair. More than what's fair is still pretty much not worth it if you invest your time moving up the ladder in any decent company. It doesn't matter if you think they're getting paid well (I assume almost no player gets paid well) relative to anything, what matters is they can easily do something else and make more money. Riot HAS to give people financial incentives to play or they won't ever consider doing it once the shine of being a pro wears off. Playing any game professionally isn't very attractive once you see how few people can live off it. Might as well just stream and market yourself while making money off twitch and youtube. Hopefully it can be a viable lifestyle for all legit pro players (ones on established teams), but for now, I feel like getting a degree and a good job are 100% better options. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On December 05 2012 15:54 Infernal_dream wrote: Can I be banned for going outside in real life because I cursed someone out in the street? No. If I curse someone out in the street nothing can happen to me. They can fight, but then they're in the wrong. People need to stop getting butthurt over some shit said over a video game. I'm tired of everyone coddling each other and having this carebear ass attitude online and in real life. Words are words, and nothing more. If you let them bother you then that's on you, not me. Too much qq over being called a "baddie" or "faggot" or "nigger" or whatever slur people use nowdays. Oh, you go out, try to harrass someone with your words for 9 times. I'd be sure you either get your ass kicked by that person or the police will contact you. Its not as simple as you may think, you can get into some serious shit with your words only. And dont try to dump everything down to "just a video game". Online interaction is replacing many real life activity now. People needs to behave in an online community just as they would in a real life community. If you think LOL or any major MMO is the place for you to whatever you want, you are very wrong. There will always be consequences for what you said and done. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On December 05 2012 18:25 JALbert wrote: What people seem to be missing in the player's union talks is that in most pro sports the players are underpaid relative to free market value and their ability to play is being controlled by owners who make a ton of profit off of them. Riot is providing *more* than market value - they're taking a loss on the strictly eSports side as investment/marketing. Players don't really have leverage because the other side (Riot) is already paying/offering them *more* than what's fair. Yea, no thats not right about pro sports (wont comment on esports). Stars, like LBJ and Peyton Manning, are paid below market value as a result of CBAs in sports, but low tier and lower-middle tier players are compensated far above market value. That is basically how a union works. | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
On December 05 2012 16:46 Baffels wrote: Just like every other game of solo que anyone plays ever? Because this happens every single game regardless of the players. Its the community, And hopefully this is one of the signs that riot will work to get rid of those guys from our games. More perma bans for people who act like retards, and i may get my friends back to this game. It is a fact that people like IWD are a big part of why many paying customers have left LOL... I am still baffled that he had 8(!!!) warnings before his perma ban. I've played thousands of games, and i've yet to receive one warning. I think 2-3 warnings is enough, then 6 month ban, and the 4-5th time should be perm. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote: So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree. Actually, Riot can ban anyone, at any time, for any season. Read the EULA. A Rioter is legally allowed to perm-ban you simply because he "does not like you". It's the same for Teamliquid. Technically if (say) Nazgul does not like you (e.g. he finds you verbose and too polite), he can just perm-ban you - posting on Teamliquid is a privilege, not a right. Playing LoL is the same. Riot has every right to ban anyone they like. | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On December 05 2012 16:45 VayneAuthority wrote: it isnt the resounding reaction because Riot has a history of terrible terrible decisions and misjudgements. They are just not a very professional company. Dat public lynching. This would be great if riot handled it properly but they never do. This has become like some sort of Mantra... Riot is bad... Riot is bad... Riot is bad... Zzzzzzzzzz Judging from what Neo has posted and from what I read, they handled this as one should handle it in my opinion. They first informed the player and dig month prior to the actual ban and asked them to work with the player to reform. He didn't reform and they toko take action. They could have just banned him and stayed silent, but as people have pointed out, there would have been a Reddit thread and things would have exploded. So instead they went proactive and announced the reason for the ban at the time it was enforced. This has nothing to do with public lynching. Also a pro-player is a public figure and therefor he has expect that his behavior is under public "scrutiny". I also find all the union talk in this specific case absurd. Yes, long term the players/teams might want to consider to form some sort of "union", but what would a union fight for in this case? The right to BM in a game. The right to insult and abuse other players? The right to make fun of amateur in public games for not being on the same level of play as a person paid to play? And to all people that argue for the right to bm. The majority of the player base is not your punching bag and SoloQ is not there for you to release your anger that you accumulated off-line. Most of us want to relax and just play a game. Find a gym to release excess energy or get a therapist to take care of your issues, seriously... | ||
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Arevall
Sweden1133 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On December 05 2012 19:26 zulu_nation8 wrote: this is sorta like the government can give life sentences to those who break the law but they absolutely cannot do so to people who merely act immorally. Or better, the MLB can ban pete rose for betting on baseball but the idea of banning a player for bad sportsmanship is ludicrous. Not a good precedent to set. Also IWD got all of his reports from solo queue, yet they banned him from competing professionally where he has done nothing wrong. I'd agree completely if they banned him from solo queue forever but to ban from progaming is lol. It seems they acted on impulse. Another bad example considering the betting in Rose's case was all about morality. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
On December 05 2012 19:26 zulu_nation8 wrote: this is sorta like the government can give life sentences to those who break the law but they absolutely cannot do so to people who merely act immorally. Or better, the MLB can ban pete rose for betting on baseball but the idea of banning a player for bad sportsmanship is ludicrous. Not a good precedent to set. Also IWD got all of his reports from solo queue, yet they banned him from competing professionally where he has done nothing wrong. I'd agree completely if they banned him from solo queue forever but to ban from progaming is lol. It seems they acted on impulse. What? Even sports coaches get banned for limited amounts if they badmouth around. Like we got this one hockey coach in Finland who every now and then gets benched by the hockey authorities for complaining publicly about the referees or the league or whatever. And it's their fucking championship series. If a player gets a lifeban from their game, then what kind of logic does say he would still be eligible to play in their own championship series for said game? I just...jesus, people these days wtf. Too much Hollywood and amurican lawyers I tell you. | ||
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