EPTSeems like riot made the right call here. Maybe 6 months would have been better than a year, but who really knows. I think they are totally justified in handing down massive penalties considering their continuous investment in the development of the LoL competitive scene.
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
Seems like riot made the right call here. Maybe 6 months would have been better than a year, but who really knows. I think they are totally justified in handing down massive penalties considering their continuous investment in the development of the LoL competitive scene. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote: Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing? This is not true. Nearly every major multiplayer game bans for typing mean words into chat, including but not limited to: All Blizzard games Every major MMO etc | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:36 Ketara wrote: This is not true. Nearly every major multiplayer game bans for typing mean words into chat, including but not limited to: All Blizzard games Every major MMO etc ^--- exactly, so which games were you playing again? | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote: So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree. I do and applaud riot. It's not very hard for someone to not bm and act normal, but anonymity gives people the power online that they crave for in real life to act out. The people who defend the bm, probably bm themselves since I don't see any reason to defend his actions. Have an ounce of self control to not rage and bm. It's really not that hard. It was his choice to bm and he deserves everything he gets from it. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
I'm not gonna pretend I gave too much thought to those kids though compared to the hours I spent enjoying the games though. I'm only arguing here for what I think the players should do. Hell from my perspective as a spectator it'd be better if Riot had all the power and didn't have to deal with a player's organization. | ||
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Pooshlmer
United States1001 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote: Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing? I suspect many of them wanted to but weren't able. There is a reason "XBox live gamer" has a huge stigma associated with it. I'm really glad Riot is trying to make gaming into a more mainstream activity. People don't go around flaming others in real life, why is it okay in gaming? | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:30 Slow Motion wrote: In any other tech corp the employees do have a say. Their complaints (if legitimate and concerted) will have more weight because they can find another job in the same industry. The workers have to compete with others for the job, but the employers also compete with other employers to hire the best workers. Here, the pro gamers have no other options in the same industry. A pro LoL player can't just decide to become a DotA pro and vice versa. What they do have are suboptimal choices such as going back to school or finding a job when they have already devoted a lot of time and resources to LoL. In this situation, Riot has tremendous power over the players. The problem with this power isn't even as extreme as abuse by Riot. Riot can do things such as provide a decent salary that are fair, but aren't going to give the players the highest amount they are willing to pay players. I think as an employer it is in your best interest to have the ability to make this negotiation. Your interest as an employee is to get the most pay that the company is willing to give you and have the best job conditions possible. If you look at it from a scale of 1 (the least Riot can pay pro gamers and still have the season 3 they want) - 2 (a fair amount) - 3 (the most Riot is willing to pay progamers for their tournament), Riot is always going to be at most a 2, maybe lower. This is fair, but it is in the employees interest to see if he can negotiate for something between 2 and 3. I don't think pro gamers have any ability to do that without their own organization. Professional players make a conscious decision to choose this job. As such, they have to abide by whatever professional standard their job has (e.g. HIPPA, etc). Riot has created a set of standard they want all players (not just professional players) to follow. It is then up to players to decide if they want to follow them or face the consequences. You could make the argument that the standards Riot has set are incorrect. A valid point, however given how transparent they are regarding the Tribunal and how involved the community is, I do not believe it is a concern. There is going to be concentration of power somewhere in eSports. The teams, the players, or a third part organisation. Every form has a downside and I'm sure you can find examples of each. If you wanted to purely "theorycraft" the dangers, you could come up with lots of reasons. However, this is a mental exercise that can be performed on absolutely anything in life from whether the provision of international aid to the BRIC countries is justified to matters as trivial as what to eat for dinner. "Theorycraft" doesn't get you anywhere. Facts and precedents are more important here, and I do not believe that Riot having the ability to determine these matters is a current concern. Indeed, their transparency, consistency and strict self-review I feel makes them the most suitable group of people right now to take the position within the LoL scene. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote: Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing? you haven't play wow if that's true. play every major mmo. Stop lying in order to be the one who got the last word. | ||
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
And it's also true that other players should be banned out as well, I haven't watched streams in a fair while and went to watch some of the current "pros" last night, my god all they do is bitch and moan about everything. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:33 NeoIllusions wrote: He's arguing in principle, not actuality. It's fine. I understood that in his opinion that BM is not a bannable offense. That is okay that is just his opinion. But he said Riot is the only one who bans for BM and that is just not true. Every Blizzard game bans for BM. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:49 Skithiryx wrote: I really like where RIOT is going with their vision for the community, alot of the people that are arguing against the ban and all that are the same people that have had years of being able to act fairly well as they please in MODO/SC2/WoW/Etc without too many repercussions and are now being faced with the fact they may have to become accountable for their actions and not be able to act like a petulant child on the internet anymore. And it's also true that other players should be banned out as well, I haven't watched streams in a fair while and went to watch some of the current "pros" last night, my god all they do is bitch and moan about everything. So complaining should be banned? Seems like a pretty strict and singular vision of what the community should be. | ||
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:39 Pooshlmer wrote: I suspect many of them wanted to but weren't able. There is a reason "XBox live gamer" has a huge stigma associated with it. I'm really glad Riot is trying to make gaming into a more mainstream activity. People don't go around flaming others in real life, why is it okay in gaming? I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying it's not up to the developers behind a game to decide what is proper behaviour in-game. In the old days, we had decentralised servers, so if I was unhappy with not being allowed to say "fuck" while playing on Christian servers, I could just go on to the next one. If I go for a pub game of DotA on Garena, for example, I am perfectly aware I might not get a good game. Somebody might feed or leave, no problem. Regardless of this loads of people still play pub games on Garena, even though they know they might get screwed. Why can't LoL be like this? If people want clean moderated games, let the community organize inhouse leagues or 5v5 tournaments where rules can be created and enforced by the community itself. If I was boss of Riot I would abandon all hope of trying to officially "clean up" soloqueue, because soloqueue is just that; a game with nine internet strangers that you have little control over the outcome or "pleasantness" of. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:57 beef42 wrote: I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying it's not up to the developers behind a game to decide what is proper behaviour in-game. In the old days, we had decentralised servers, so if I was unhappy with not being allowed to say "fuck" while playing on Christian servers, I could just go on to the next one. If I go for a pub game of DotA on Garena, for example, I am perfectly aware I might not get a good game. Somebody might feed or leave, no problem. Regardless of this loads of people still play pub games on Garena, even though they know they might get screwed. Why can't LoL be like this? If people want clean moderated games, let the community organize inhouse leagues or 5v5 tournaments where rules can be created and enforced by the community itself. If I was boss of Riot I would abandon all hope of trying to officially "clean up" soloqueue, because soloqueue is just that; a game with nine internet strangers that you have little control over the outcome or "pleasantness" of. I'm glad you're not the boss of Riot -_- I love everything they're doing and far more value my personal enjoyment in a more pleasant community over someone's supposed right to say things to people over the internet they would never say to that person's face. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
If I'm not playing LoL, Riot has no way of getting my money. Therefor, it is up to Riot to clean up solo queue, so I will play the game. I think this is probably the case for the majority, if not the overwhelming majority of players. | ||
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Pooshlmer
United States1001 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:57 beef42 wrote: I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying it's not up to the developers behind a game to decide what is proper behaviour in-game. In the old days, we had decentralised servers, so if I was unhappy with not being allowed to say "fuck" while playing on Christian servers, I could just go on to the next one. If I go for a pub game of DotA on Garena, for example, I am perfectly aware I might not get a good game. Somebody might feed or leave, no problem. Regardless of this loads of people still play pub games on Garena, even though they know they might get screwed. Why can't LoL be like this? If people want clean moderated games, let the community organize inhouse leagues or 5v5 tournaments where rules can be created and enforced by the community itself. If I was boss of Riot I would abandon all hope of trying to officially "clean up" soloqueue, because soloqueue is just that; a game with nine internet strangers that you have little control over the outcome or "pleasantness" of. I would be cool with Riot making unmoderated queues/servers. It's just that solo queue is the default that everyone is exposed to so they want to clean it up. Making people work to have a nicer experience is not good PR. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:57 beef42 wrote: I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying it's not up to the developers behind a game to decide what is proper behaviour in-game. In the old days, we had decentralised servers, so if I was unhappy with not being allowed to say "fuck" while playing on Christian servers, I could just go on to the next one. If I go for a pub game of DotA on Garena, for example, I am perfectly aware I might not get a good game. Somebody might feed or leave, no problem. Regardless of this loads of people still play pub games on Garena, even though they know they might get screwed. Why can't LoL be like this? If people want clean moderated games, let the community organize inhouse leagues or 5v5 tournaments where rules can be created and enforced by the community itself. If I was boss of Riot I would abandon all hope of trying to officially "clean up" soloqueue, because soloqueue is just that; a game with nine internet strangers that you have little control over the outcome or "pleasantness" of. If this is how you feel, then I am SO GLAD you are not the boss of Riot. It's a developer's job to create the best experience possible for its players. This, unfortunately for you, means that the developer cannot afford to have a small minority of the playing population ruin the playing experience for the rest of the player base, and I agree with this. If you want to play a game in which it's okay to BM others, then go ahead and play that game. I certainly won't miss you in solo que. Doesn't change the fact that a dick is a dick, regardless of game. | ||
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:57 beef42 wrote: I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying it's not up to the developers behind a game to decide what is proper behaviour in-game. In the old days, we had decentralised servers, so if I was unhappy with not being allowed to say "fuck" while playing on Christian servers, I could just go on to the next one. If I go for a pub game of DotA on Garena, for example, I am perfectly aware I might not get a good game. Somebody might feed or leave, no problem. Regardless of this loads of people still play pub games on Garena, even though they know they might get screwed. Why can't LoL be like this? If people want clean moderated games, let the community organize inhouse leagues or 5v5 tournaments where rules can be created and enforced by the community itself. If I was boss of Riot I would abandon all hope of trying to officially "clean up" soloqueue, because soloqueue is just that; a game with nine internet strangers that you have little control over the outcome or "pleasantness" of. These bans are not just Riot trying to clean up solo queue. It is also a business decision so players new to the genre do not have to deal with ragers/racists/leavers. If they can retain these new player, they have now increased their potential for revenue. The flip side is the people who got "cleaned up" or people who don't like Riot's decisions leave the game but they are in the minority and should not affect Riot's decision to try and grow its playerbase. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
I'm fine with Riot baning people from their game for BM, that's good for their game. I dislike that IWD got banned from competitive play because of BM in pubs especially for the year long duration but that was likely so they didn't have to contract him. I don't think it's practical for Riot to allow people to set up their own servers because that would create a huge mess and creating a separate queue that isn't moderated would be sorta pointless. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
On December 05 2012 11:55 Serpico wrote: So complaining should be banned? Seems like a pretty strict and singular vision of what the community should be. No, but they spent the entire time just whingeing/bitching/ragging on/about people, like we all whinge about things in the game from time to time but if the game honestly bothers you that much why still play it, or better yet, why are you taking it out on others. Like I get that these people have "stream personas" they stick to as it clearly works and they get the viewers I just don't understand why someone would want to watch someone else play a soloq game and do nothing but qq the entire time, Every time. | ||
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