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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
December 05 2012 02:35 GMT
#161
I don't know how many of you people that are angry have played for more than a few months... but the community is definitely heading in the right direction under riot's guidance. I'm not saying the tribunal and honor and all that stuff are a magical cure, but damn, you guys should have seen what the community was like prior to their introduction.

Seems like riot made the right call here. Maybe 6 months would have been better than a year, but who really knows. I think they are totally justified in handing down massive penalties considering their continuous investment in the development of the LoL competitive scene.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
December 05 2012 02:36 GMT
#162
On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree.


So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing?


Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing?


This is not true.

Nearly every major multiplayer game bans for typing mean words into chat, including but not limited to:
All Blizzard games
Every major MMO
etc
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 05 2012 02:38 GMT
#163
On December 05 2012 11:36 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree.


So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing?


Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing?


This is not true.

Nearly every major multiplayer game bans for typing mean words into chat, including but not limited to:
All Blizzard games
Every major MMO
etc



^--- exactly, so which games were you playing again?
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
December 05 2012 02:38 GMT
#164
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree.


I do and applaud riot. It's not very hard for someone to not bm and act normal, but anonymity gives people the power online that they crave for in real life to act out. The people who defend the bm, probably bm themselves since I don't see any reason to defend his actions. Have an ounce of self control to not rage and bm. It's really not that hard. It was his choice to bm and he deserves everything he gets from it.
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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 05 2012 02:39 GMT
#165
Oh and for the record I don't think Riot would do any of the abusive things kespa did (or could legally if they wanted to). I believe kespa exploited young children and screwed them over. In the process they created amazing products (the games, the tournaments, the stars) but it was very sad for the kids who grinded games, practiced with the superstars, and got very little out of it.

I'm not gonna pretend I gave too much thought to those kids though compared to the hours I spent enjoying the games though. I'm only arguing here for what I think the players should do. Hell from my perspective as a spectator it'd be better if Riot had all the power and didn't have to deal with a player's organization.
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
December 05 2012 02:39 GMT
#166
On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree.


So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing?


Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing?


I suspect many of them wanted to but weren't able.

There is a reason "XBox live gamer" has a huge stigma associated with it. I'm really glad Riot is trying to make gaming into a more mainstream activity. People don't go around flaming others in real life, why is it okay in gaming?
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
December 05 2012 02:47 GMT
#167
On December 05 2012 11:30 Slow Motion wrote:
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On December 05 2012 11:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:07 Slow Motion wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:02 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 05 2012 10:55 Slow Motion wrote:
On December 05 2012 10:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 05 2012 10:48 Slow Motion wrote:
On December 05 2012 10:46 NeoIllusions wrote:
I'll second, ketchup. If you don't agree with the ban, you are most likely viewing this the wrong way. IWD had multiple opportunities here to reform.

This is not about whether or not some other pro should have been banned as well (insert Dyrus, Regi, whoever you want) but about IWD's individual case. It is safe to presume that if other pros have as many infractions as IWD (afaik, he has the most on NA, as a pro), they will be dealt with as well. In the exact same manner.

As for Riot having too much power, I will somewhat agree. But I am much more in favor of a judicator present with too much power (in this case, Riot) than an entity unwilling/unable to act.
After all, this is how things are run here on TeamLiquid... we all seem to like it here.

The difference is TL is not my employer.

Also I haven't seen many people in this thread arguing for IWD in this individual case.


How does Riot being LoL pro players' employer change anything? In the real world, don't piss off your boss otherwise you get the pink slip. I'm not seeing the prob. @.@

Because in the real world the boss does not have all the power. The boss cannot set incredibly arbitrary rules without damaging his own business. There are other jobs I could find if the boss does not provide benefits to working there that are at least comparable to the same jobs in my industry. In captured industries like this one, where the employees don't really have many other options, the boss does have all the power. That's why in the real world, in situations like this, you tend to see unionization. This is the same situation because these pro players only have the skill to play LoL and not other esports. If they don't like something they cannot easily go to find a similar job with their existing skills.


What is incredibly arbitrary about the Summoner's Code? It read like basic English to me. General idea? Don't be a douche when you play League.

Provide benefits? Are we on the same page? Riot is talking about paying teams a monthly salary for Season 3. Please find me another gaming dev who are doing that too. You talk as if Riot's expectation are too high or something when they're simply asking for the "norm". And no, trolling and fucking idiotic behavior that is used to describe the MOBA/ARTS genre should not be the norm here.

All Riot is doing is asking us to be better gamers online. Is it that hard?

Your only skill is to play LoL? Don't fuck up your chances at the game then.

When did I EVER say Riot's rules are arbitrary or that their salary isn't good enough? All I'm saying is that the players should have to option to negotiate these things if they do create an arbitrary rule in the future or the players aren't satisfied with their salary and think they have the power to demand a better one. I don't understand why you don't want the players to have any say in what their job conditions should be like or what the salaries should be. That is nothing like real life.

What terrible thing would happen if the players had an organization? Yes I like how Riot handled this particular situation and how they are providing the players with a salary. That doesn't mean I think they should have ALL the power in making these decisions and the players none.


eh? Compare Riot Games to any other technology corporation. Do you really think engineers and designers have a say in work conditions? I'm not sure where you're coming from to think that unions are the standard. Yes, there is a human resources department, you can voice you displeasure there. If pro players/teams don't like something, there are channels to Riot to whom they can speak with.

I am fine with Riot having all the power. Frankly, Riot has a solid vision in what they want and expect from their game, the community, and their players. If there was an instance where Riot's final decision was over the line, I'd agree with you. But so far, Riot has not made a failure in judgment. Why doubt them now?

In any other tech corp the employees do have a say. Their complaints (if legitimate and concerted) will have more weight because they can find another job in the same industry. The workers have to compete with others for the job, but the employers also compete with other employers to hire the best workers.

Here, the pro gamers have no other options in the same industry. A pro LoL player can't just decide to become a DotA pro and vice versa. What they do have are suboptimal choices such as going back to school or finding a job when they have already devoted a lot of time and resources to LoL. In this situation, Riot has tremendous power over the players.

The problem with this power isn't even as extreme as abuse by Riot. Riot can do things such as provide a decent salary that are fair, but aren't going to give the players the highest amount they are willing to pay players. I think as an employer it is in your best interest to have the ability to make this negotiation. Your interest as an employee is to get the most pay that the company is willing to give you and have the best job conditions possible.

If you look at it from a scale of 1 (the least Riot can pay pro gamers and still have the season 3 they want) - 2 (a fair amount) - 3 (the most Riot is willing to pay progamers for their tournament), Riot is always going to be at most a 2, maybe lower. This is fair, but it is in the employees interest to see if he can negotiate for something between 2 and 3. I don't think pro gamers have any ability to do that without their own organization.

Professional players make a conscious decision to choose this job. As such, they have to abide by whatever professional standard their job has (e.g. HIPPA, etc). Riot has created a set of standard they want all players (not just professional players) to follow. It is then up to players to decide if they want to follow them or face the consequences.

You could make the argument that the standards Riot has set are incorrect. A valid point, however given how transparent they are regarding the Tribunal and how involved the community is, I do not believe it is a concern.

There is going to be concentration of power somewhere in eSports. The teams, the players, or a third part organisation. Every form has a downside and I'm sure you can find examples of each. If you wanted to purely "theorycraft" the dangers, you could come up with lots of reasons. However, this is a mental exercise that can be performed on absolutely anything in life from whether the provision of international aid to the BRIC countries is justified to matters as trivial as what to eat for dinner. "Theorycraft" doesn't get you anywhere. Facts and precedents are more important here, and I do not believe that Riot having the ability to determine these matters is a current concern. Indeed, their transparency, consistency and strict self-review I feel makes them the most suitable group of people right now to take the position within the LoL scene.
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 05 2012 02:48 GMT
#168
On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree.


So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing?


Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing?


you haven't play wow if that's true. play every major mmo. Stop lying in order to be the one who got the last word.
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Skithiryx
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia648 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 02:50:51
December 05 2012 02:49 GMT
#169
I really like where RIOT is going with their vision for the community, alot of the people that are arguing against the ban and all that are the same people that have had years of being able to act fairly well as they please in MODO/SC2/WoW/Etc without too many repercussions and are now being faced with the fact they may have to become accountable for their actions and not be able to act like a petulant child on the internet anymore.

And it's also true that other players should be banned out as well, I haven't watched streams in a fair while and went to watch some of the current "pros" last night, my god all they do is bitch and moan about everything.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
December 05 2012 02:54 GMT
#170
On December 05 2012 11:33 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree.


So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing?


He's arguing in principle, not actuality.
It's fine.

I understood that in his opinion that BM is not a bannable offense. That is okay that is just his opinion.

But he said Riot is the only one who bans for BM and that is just not true. Every Blizzard game bans for BM.
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Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
December 05 2012 02:55 GMT
#171
On December 05 2012 11:49 Skithiryx wrote:
I really like where RIOT is going with their vision for the community, alot of the people that are arguing against the ban and all that are the same people that have had years of being able to act fairly well as they please in MODO/SC2/WoW/Etc without too many repercussions and are now being faced with the fact they may have to become accountable for their actions and not be able to act like a petulant child on the internet anymore.

And it's also true that other players should be banned out as well, I haven't watched streams in a fair while and went to watch some of the current "pros" last night, my god all they do is bitch and moan about everything.

So complaining should be banned? Seems like a pretty strict and singular vision of what the community should be.
beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
December 05 2012 02:57 GMT
#172
On December 05 2012 11:39 Pooshlmer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree.


So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing?


Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing?


I suspect many of them wanted to but weren't able.

There is a reason "XBox live gamer" has a huge stigma associated with it. I'm really glad Riot is trying to make gaming into a more mainstream activity. People don't go around flaming others in real life, why is it okay in gaming?


I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying it's not up to the developers behind a game to decide what is proper behaviour in-game. In the old days, we had decentralised servers, so if I was unhappy with not being allowed to say "fuck" while playing on Christian servers, I could just go on to the next one.

If I go for a pub game of DotA on Garena, for example, I am perfectly aware I might not get a good game. Somebody might feed or leave, no problem. Regardless of this loads of people still play pub games on Garena, even though they know they might get screwed.

Why can't LoL be like this? If people want clean moderated games, let the community organize inhouse leagues or 5v5 tournaments where rules can be created and enforced by the community itself.

If I was boss of Riot I would abandon all hope of trying to officially "clean up" soloqueue, because soloqueue is just that; a game with nine internet strangers that you have little control over the outcome or "pleasantness" of.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
December 05 2012 03:01 GMT
#173
On December 05 2012 11:57 beef42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 11:39 Pooshlmer wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree.


So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing?


Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing?


I suspect many of them wanted to but weren't able.

There is a reason "XBox live gamer" has a huge stigma associated with it. I'm really glad Riot is trying to make gaming into a more mainstream activity. People don't go around flaming others in real life, why is it okay in gaming?


I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying it's not up to the developers behind a game to decide what is proper behaviour in-game. In the old days, we had decentralised servers, so if I was unhappy with not being allowed to say "fuck" while playing on Christian servers, I could just go on to the next one.

If I go for a pub game of DotA on Garena, for example, I am perfectly aware I might not get a good game. Somebody might feed or leave, no problem. Regardless of this loads of people still play pub games on Garena, even though they know they might get screwed.

Why can't LoL be like this? If people want clean moderated games, let the community organize inhouse leagues or 5v5 tournaments where rules can be created and enforced by the community itself.

If I was boss of Riot I would abandon all hope of trying to officially "clean up" soloqueue, because soloqueue is just that; a game with nine internet strangers that you have little control over the outcome or "pleasantness" of.


I'm glad you're not the boss of Riot -_-

I love everything they're doing and far more value my personal enjoyment in a more pleasant community over someone's supposed right to say things to people over the internet they would never say to that person's face.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
December 05 2012 03:02 GMT
#174
If solo queue wasn't pleasant, I wouldn't play LoL.

If I'm not playing LoL, Riot has no way of getting my money.

Therefor, it is up to Riot to clean up solo queue, so I will play the game.

I think this is probably the case for the majority, if not the overwhelming majority of players.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
December 05 2012 03:06 GMT
#175
On December 05 2012 11:57 beef42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 11:39 Pooshlmer wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree.


So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing?


Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing?


I suspect many of them wanted to but weren't able.

There is a reason "XBox live gamer" has a huge stigma associated with it. I'm really glad Riot is trying to make gaming into a more mainstream activity. People don't go around flaming others in real life, why is it okay in gaming?


I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying it's not up to the developers behind a game to decide what is proper behaviour in-game. In the old days, we had decentralised servers, so if I was unhappy with not being allowed to say "fuck" while playing on Christian servers, I could just go on to the next one.

If I go for a pub game of DotA on Garena, for example, I am perfectly aware I might not get a good game. Somebody might feed or leave, no problem. Regardless of this loads of people still play pub games on Garena, even though they know they might get screwed.

Why can't LoL be like this? If people want clean moderated games, let the community organize inhouse leagues or 5v5 tournaments where rules can be created and enforced by the community itself.

If I was boss of Riot I would abandon all hope of trying to officially "clean up" soloqueue, because soloqueue is just that; a game with nine internet strangers that you have little control over the outcome or "pleasantness" of.


I would be cool with Riot making unmoderated queues/servers. It's just that solo queue is the default that everyone is exposed to so they want to clean it up. Making people work to have a nicer experience is not good PR.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
December 05 2012 03:06 GMT
#176
On December 05 2012 11:57 beef42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 11:39 Pooshlmer wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree.


So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing?


Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing?


I suspect many of them wanted to but weren't able.

There is a reason "XBox live gamer" has a huge stigma associated with it. I'm really glad Riot is trying to make gaming into a more mainstream activity. People don't go around flaming others in real life, why is it okay in gaming?


I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying it's not up to the developers behind a game to decide what is proper behaviour in-game. In the old days, we had decentralised servers, so if I was unhappy with not being allowed to say "fuck" while playing on Christian servers, I could just go on to the next one.

If I go for a pub game of DotA on Garena, for example, I am perfectly aware I might not get a good game. Somebody might feed or leave, no problem. Regardless of this loads of people still play pub games on Garena, even though they know they might get screwed.

Why can't LoL be like this? If people want clean moderated games, let the community organize inhouse leagues or 5v5 tournaments where rules can be created and enforced by the community itself.

If I was boss of Riot I would abandon all hope of trying to officially "clean up" soloqueue, because soloqueue is just that; a game with nine internet strangers that you have little control over the outcome or "pleasantness" of.

If this is how you feel, then I am SO GLAD you are not the boss of Riot.

It's a developer's job to create the best experience possible for its players. This, unfortunately for you, means that the developer cannot afford to have a small minority of the playing population ruin the playing experience for the rest of the player base, and I agree with this. If you want to play a game in which it's okay to BM others, then go ahead and play that game. I certainly won't miss you in solo que.

Doesn't change the fact that a dick is a dick, regardless of game.
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JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 03:09:59
December 05 2012 03:08 GMT
#177
On December 05 2012 11:57 beef42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 11:39 Pooshlmer wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:
On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree.


So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing?


Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing?


I suspect many of them wanted to but weren't able.

There is a reason "XBox live gamer" has a huge stigma associated with it. I'm really glad Riot is trying to make gaming into a more mainstream activity. People don't go around flaming others in real life, why is it okay in gaming?


I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying it's not up to the developers behind a game to decide what is proper behaviour in-game. In the old days, we had decentralised servers, so if I was unhappy with not being allowed to say "fuck" while playing on Christian servers, I could just go on to the next one.

If I go for a pub game of DotA on Garena, for example, I am perfectly aware I might not get a good game. Somebody might feed or leave, no problem. Regardless of this loads of people still play pub games on Garena, even though they know they might get screwed.

Why can't LoL be like this? If people want clean moderated games, let the community organize inhouse leagues or 5v5 tournaments where rules can be created and enforced by the community itself.

If I was boss of Riot I would abandon all hope of trying to officially "clean up" soloqueue, because soloqueue is just that; a game with nine internet strangers that you have little control over the outcome or "pleasantness" of.


These bans are not just Riot trying to clean up solo queue. It is also a business decision so players new to the genre do not have to deal with ragers/racists/leavers. If they can retain these new player, they have now increased their potential for revenue. The flip side is the people who got "cleaned up" or people who don't like Riot's decisions leave the game but they are in the minority and should not affect Riot's decision to try and grow its playerbase.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 03:12:32
December 05 2012 03:12 GMT
#178
I will say that I do strongly prefer the community you get from playing say a game by Valve (like TF2 or CS:GO) where I can find good servers that are populated and that ban assholes. Whereas in League nearly every game I'm going to be on the same team with or playing against an asshole.

I'm fine with Riot baning people from their game for BM, that's good for their game. I dislike that IWD got banned from competitive play because of BM in pubs especially for the year long duration but that was likely so they didn't have to contract him. I don't think it's practical for Riot to allow people to set up their own servers because that would create a huge mess and creating a separate queue that isn't moderated would be sorta pointless.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
December 05 2012 03:52 GMT
#179
how this happen to iwd and not someone like oddone? iwd doesnt even talk that much lol.
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Skithiryx
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia648 Posts
December 05 2012 04:06 GMT
#180
On December 05 2012 11:55 Serpico wrote:
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On December 05 2012 11:49 Skithiryx wrote:
I really like where RIOT is going with their vision for the community, alot of the people that are arguing against the ban and all that are the same people that have had years of being able to act fairly well as they please in MODO/SC2/WoW/Etc without too many repercussions and are now being faced with the fact they may have to become accountable for their actions and not be able to act like a petulant child on the internet anymore.

And it's also true that other players should be banned out as well, I haven't watched streams in a fair while and went to watch some of the current "pros" last night, my god all they do is bitch and moan about everything.

So complaining should be banned? Seems like a pretty strict and singular vision of what the community should be.


No, but they spent the entire time just whingeing/bitching/ragging on/about people, like we all whinge about things in the game from time to time but if the game honestly bothers you that much why still play it, or better yet, why are you taking it out on others. Like I get that these people have "stream personas" they stick to as it clearly works and they get the viewers I just don't understand why someone would want to watch someone else play a soloq game and do nothing but qq the entire time, Every time.
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