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On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree. So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing? Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing?
People have been banned in many games (WoW for example) for:
- Stuff they say in chat (references to bodily functions, hate speech, racism, etc.) (I once got a warning in WoW for calling a griefer a "pissant").
- Names they choose (for the same reasons above - ie. racist names).
- Player harassment
So you are wrong.
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United States15536 Posts
On December 06 2012 02:45 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote:On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree. So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing? Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing? People have been banned in many games (WoW for example) for: - Stuff they say in chat (references to bodily functions, hate speech, racism, etc.) (I once got a warning in WoW for calling a griefer a "pissant"). - Names they choose (for the same reasons above - ie. racist names). - Player harassment So you are wrong.
To add more information to this point:
Guild Wars 2
XBox Live
Battle.Net
All of these services (and many more) are committed to bans for BM. It's all just a matter of the degree of intensity. Riot thinks nine times in the Tribunal is enough.
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Riot enforces these rules because it's good for business. Alienating potential customers because of "toxic" behavior is the reason they do these things. IWD would have been permbanned anyway for his behavior and Riot only made a public statement because they want people to understand they don't make an exception for pro players but they are aware of the impact it has on his pro career.
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On December 06 2012 02:58 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 02:45 willoc wrote:On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote:On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree. So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing? Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing? People have been banned in many games (WoW for example) for: - Stuff they say in chat (references to bodily functions, hate speech, racism, etc.) (I once got a warning in WoW for calling a griefer a "pissant"). - Names they choose (for the same reasons above - ie. racist names). - Player harassment So you are wrong. To add more information to this point: Guild Wars 2XBox LiveBattle.NetAll of these services (and many more) are committed to bans for BM. It's all just a matter of the degree of intensity. Riot thinks nine times in the Tribunal is enough.
Yeah, I would be fired after 2 times pulling non-sense like that. 9 times is more than enough.
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United States15536 Posts
On December 06 2012 03:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 02:58 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 06 2012 02:45 willoc wrote:On December 05 2012 11:34 beef42 wrote:On December 05 2012 11:31 Chexx wrote:On December 05 2012 11:27 beef42 wrote:
So we got down to the brunt of it. You guys think it's okay for a game company to ban for BM. I don't. I don't think they have the right. Let us agree to disagree. So then do not sign the EULA. Which games are you playing? Uh I don't pretend to read the EULAs but I've probably played every major multiplayer game in the last decade and this is the first one that bans for typing mean words into chat. So... what games are you playing? People have been banned in many games (WoW for example) for: - Stuff they say in chat (references to bodily functions, hate speech, racism, etc.) (I once got a warning in WoW for calling a griefer a "pissant"). - Names they choose (for the same reasons above - ie. racist names). - Player harassment So you are wrong. To add more information to this point: Guild Wars 2XBox LiveBattle.NetAll of these services (and many more) are committed to bans for BM. It's all just a matter of the degree of intensity. Riot thinks nine times in the Tribunal is enough. Yeah, I would be fired after 2 times pulling non-sense like that. 9 times is more than enough.
And honestly, overall, the fact is that the game is supposed to be fun for everyone who is playing it. BMing others hurts other players' game experience (overall), so it's a great reason to kick people out of the game. Having fun at the expense of people (and the players in LoL ARE people... I think lots of people tend to forget this) is wrong. And doing it egregiously enough to get Tribunal'd NINE TIMES is awful.
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No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim.
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You mean, since he didn't stream, people didn't see his raging. He got into tribunal what 8 times? And he plays high elo? Those guys seem notoriously lazy about reporting in their games (might be false, just impression left from streamers).
I also saw a good amount of people on the reddit thread saying they didn't like playing with him since he was a douche to them ingame.
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Imagine if blizzard came out during brood war days and was like " we are banning idra from all proleague play for a year because he has been being mean to people online in games on battle.net" and made it a big topic right in their forum. the community backlash would be unreal. Riot is lucky here that no one really likes IWD jungling for their team anyway, but player skill should not dictate whether this is okay or not.
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The amount of time needed to get before the tribunal 8 times make any notion that people didnt suffer from his actions laughable. Your talking over a 10's if not 100's of reports.
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is awesome32282 Posts
On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim.
No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself.
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IWD has become the embodiment for every rager teammate everyone has encountered in solo queue, angry mob!
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is awesome32282 Posts
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up.
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On December 06 2012 03:47 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim. No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself.
he cant actually ban himself from progaming so i think it's fair to say riot ruined his life, he dropped out of college the last semester to pursue progaming, hence he has no degree and no other method of income. I think people taking raging in solo queue just a bit too seriously.
On December 06 2012 03:48 IntoTheWow wrote:
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up.
because solo queue is where riot markets progamers
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On December 06 2012 03:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 03:47 IntoTheWow wrote:On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim. No one "ruined" his life. He did it himself. he cant actually ban himself from progaming so i think it's fair to say riot ruined his life, he dropped out of college the last semester to pursue progaming, hence he has no degree and no other method of income. I think people taking raging in solo queue just a bit too seriously. Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 03:48 IntoTheWow wrote:
How about IWD is an idiot for shitting where he eats?
Maybe this will help him grow up. because solo queue is where riot markets progamers
He dropped out of school yet when warned by riot and his team he could not bring himself to be a less toxic player, shows you how serious he took his "job".
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is awesome32282 Posts
"People" are not taking raging in solo queue a bit too seriously. Riot is.
Rage in LoL (and games in the genre in general) is one of the biggest complains people have about the game. All Riot is doing here is protecting their product, which you know, gives the money.
Other sports work like this too. A player is offensive to a crowd in a stadium, shits on fair play or does something to hurt the image of the company behind it and guess what happens? They get banned for a number of games.
On December 06 2012 03:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
because solo queue is where riot markets progamers
It's where riot markets part of their game. You don't like it, you go out.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
definitely too drastic. a month ban or something may suffice but it does not suffice for whatever PR impact riot desired. a sacrificial rager?
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On December 06 2012 03:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No one has ever seen him rage to the point that he doesn't even have a reputation for raging. His only contact with the community is through progaming where he has not broken any rules and has helped Riot promote the game. I understand this is the standard internet mob reaction but I think it's ridiculous that everyone is quick to accept that it's okay to ruin someone's life over raging in solo queue, and where no one here has been the victim.
First off I'm pretty sure some people here have been blasted by him in solo q, second it doesn't matter if we're the victim of it or not, if he's being a complete douche and deserves to be banned then people will agree and accept it.
His life isn't even ruined. Sure he can't compete in the circuit but hell that's not the end of the world. Calling this thing that he brought upon himself (Riot even contacted dig months before, he still didn't change) something that would ruin his life is absolutely idiotic. It may end his life as a progamer, but there are many more things to life than playing LoL professionally.
Hell if anything this may help IWD in the future. He may learn his lesson and be more professional throughout his life because of this. Being a professional instead of a douche is something that nearly every employer looks for in an employee after all.
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On December 06 2012 03:56 oneofthem wrote:
definitely too drastic. a month ban or something may suffice but it does not suffice for whatever PR impact riot desired. a sacrificial rager?
Dignitas was warned already.
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this is awesome
valve needs to do this too... would mean cutting the palyerbase by 50% though :/
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