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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 13 2012 18:29 GMT
#4001
I don't think leaving an entire community known for it's bad behavior and rage in charge of dealing with cases of rage is a good idea. trial by jury is far different than a mass anonymous vote. you screen jurors, you don't screen tribunal spammers. I would definitely think that 20-30% of bans from the tribunal are people who should not be banned. which is an unacceptable margin, hell anything above 2% should be unacceptable, one in fifty cases is already ridiculously bad, and it's definitely above that.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
December 13 2012 18:30 GMT
#4002
On December 14 2012 03:25 Slayer91 wrote:
positive in the gay musical type of way though

lmao
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 18:33:00
December 13 2012 18:32 GMT
#4003
On December 14 2012 02:21 obesechicken13 wrote:
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On December 14 2012 01:22 phyvo wrote:
On December 14 2012 00:22 thenexusp wrote:
hurricane on koggles might be good if you make an aoe teamcomp but I don't think it's something you would get every game.


I honestly think hurricane would fit an AP teemo better. You only need to get in range once to get poisoned and even one hit has a .8 AP ratio. Contrast that with Kog where both targets would need 3000 HP to do the same damage with one hit. You might get two off (which would make it more comparable minus Teemo's AP) but with inconsistent runaan's procs Teemo scales better in this situation and is a bigger jerk. Teemo just doesn't build runaan's right now because liandry's + CDR means fun fun shroom fields.

Kennen is the most fun though because when their melee bruisers do group together you get to stunlock one of them for a million years.

I think it's a .4 ratio (soon to be .3) for Teemo's E


You're not counting the DoT. Keep in mind we're talking about a situation where getting the AoE auto attack is inconsistent and therefore the DoT is important.

In terms of how good Teemo is really IDK I haven't played him in a real game in ages. I just think that if anyone was going to be able to use runaan's in it's current state it would be Teemo first. Maybe I'm mistaken though.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 13 2012 18:32 GMT
#4004
On December 14 2012 03:21 PrinceXizor wrote:
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On December 14 2012 03:09 Dan HH wrote:
On December 14 2012 01:57 thenexusp wrote:
On December 14 2012 01:20 AsnSensation wrote:
Ok guys can someone whos high Elo EUW maybe explain to me why the people there hate our fellow Entenzwerg so much/troll him quite often?

We had this a few month ago but he's received a timeban again and I read through his tribunal case and I think it's just ridiculous. "STFU You're stupid" was the only questionable thing in 4(!) reports and that's like the most polite thing ever compared the all the shit I hear in Solo Q everyday. I also check out his stream from time to time because he's a fellow TL'ler and I play ad, as well; he seemed like one of the nicest streamers out there, keeping a positive attitude even when getting shit like J4 or Ashe support, he doesn't complain in chat at all.

his recent tribunal case.
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/en/case/508702/#nogo

A lot of people seem confused about this but the fraction of reports that actually contain bannable content is not relevant, all that matters is that there is one game where the guy said something bad

basically, if someone called people stupid in game 3 only, we can imagine a different tribunal case containing only game 3, which would be a punish. Adding false reports from games 1, 2 and 4 doesn't change the overall verdict.

The fake reports actually play a big part since he wouldn't be in the tribunal without them. Everyone gets reported, no matter how nice, but it takes a certain rate of reports per matches played to get to the tribunal.

And you really think saying "you're stupid" once should be bannable? Come on, there's a world of difference between flaming/harrassing/offending and just not being nice. I'm not gonna report someone for calling me or anyone else "idiot" or "stupid" once in a match unless he spams it, or mixes it up with other insults, or gets more aggressive. Half the players would be banned with such rules, I see similar or worse things in almost every match.

It was clearly a mistake to ban him but it does annoy me that people use such exceptions as "proof that tribunal is broken". It's simply impossible to have a perfect justice system with 100% accuracy and The Tribunal's margin of error seems pretty low from what I can tell.

One of my friends was banned for saying nothing but "gl hf" "gg" and ping missing ect ect. since you don't see what the report was for in tribunal it's all pointless anyway. tribunal doesn't work. it catches the people riot would have caught anyway, and a bunch of others.

Eh? Isn't that the point of the system? To catch people that riot wouldn't otherwise catch? Given the current size of the player base, I kinda doubt that riot can actually handle the sheer volume of reports by themselves.

In any case, reports are not always about what a player said. I can go into a game, say nothing but gl hf, and gg but still be massively annoying in other ways. It also highlights the importance of writing descriptions in the reports as well, as those ARE seen in the tribunal cases.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 13 2012 18:33 GMT
#4005
It still baffles me how people actually get banned >.>
liftlift > tsm
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 13 2012 18:33 GMT
#4006
On December 14 2012 02:21 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 01:22 phyvo wrote:
On December 14 2012 00:22 thenexusp wrote:
hurricane on koggles might be good if you make an aoe teamcomp but I don't think it's something you would get every game.


I honestly think hurricane would fit an AP teemo better. You only need to get in range once to get poisoned and even one hit has a .8 AP ratio. Contrast that with Kog where both targets would need 3000 HP to do the same damage with one hit. You might get two off (which would make it more comparable minus Teemo's AP) but with inconsistent runaan's procs Teemo scales better in this situation and is a bigger jerk. Teemo just doesn't build runaan's right now because liandry's + CDR means fun fun shroom fields.

Kennen is the most fun though because when their melee bruisers do group together you get to stunlock one of them for a million years.

I think it's a .4 ratio (soon to be .3) for Teemo's E

Also someone said Kennen's W only counts on the primary target.


The total damage is 0.8 including the DoT. 0.4 is simply the flat damage done each hit. The point being that with everyone moving around constantly you aren't likely to consistently hit people, but on Teemo that matters less because of the DoT damage.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 18:39:39
December 13 2012 18:35 GMT
#4007
On December 14 2012 03:33 wei2coolman wrote:
It still baffles me how people actually get banned >.>

its easy to rage in 1-2 games in span of 100games if play a lot, some butthurt feeding kid who you called bad reports you then add fake reports which happen in almost every game, tribunal bots punishing everyone and here it is, u get banned
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 13 2012 18:40 GMT
#4008
On December 14 2012 03:35 kongoline wrote:
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On December 14 2012 03:33 wei2coolman wrote:
It still baffles me how people actually get banned >.>

its easy to rage in 1-2 games in span of 100games if play a lot, add fake reports which happen in almost every game and tribunal bots punishing everyone and here it is, u get banned

That's the thing; personally, I've definitely flamed my share people, and in quite a large portion of my games (not of recent, but especially my first 1000 games or so). Still haven't been banned. Which makes me find it hilarious that someone actually ends up being banned. I mean you'd have to be so fucking atrociously bad at the game, and completely toxic to actually get banned in this game; it's actually unfathomable how full retard or terrible you must be to get banned in this...

And this is coming from a guy who's one of those dudes on the mic flaming people the entire time back in the days of cs 1.5
liftlift > tsm
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
December 13 2012 18:40 GMT
#4009
On December 14 2012 03:29 PrinceXizor wrote:
I don't think leaving an entire community known for it's bad behavior and rage in charge of dealing with cases of rage is a good idea. trial by jury is far different than a mass anonymous vote. you screen jurors, you don't screen tribunal spammers. I would definitely think that 20-30% of bans from the tribunal are people who should not be banned. which is an unacceptable margin, hell anything above 2% should be unacceptable, one in fifty cases is already ridiculously bad, and it's definitely above that.


Yeah... I get what you're saying. And I was over-simplifying like crazy. But I think I'd still prefer the community to not-the-community, even if they suck. I dunno. Maybe that's naive.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
December 13 2012 18:42 GMT
#4010
Most people get banned for being toxic in addition to extremely bad, which normally goes hand in hand. If you're an asshole but play well and don't quit, you will be reported drastically less, and I'd say bans come from an overwhelming report to game ration rather than anything else.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 13 2012 18:43 GMT
#4011
On December 14 2012 03:33 wei2coolman wrote:
It still baffles me how people actually get banned >.>


It's pretty random.I've reporting a certain guy for 3 weeks now who has flamed the entire game or just afk-ed and he still isn't banned.Meanwhile a friend I duoq with got banned yesterday and when I read the case all he did was call someone a retard or just generally tell people what to do.I've noticed a lot of bans for people being bossy.Which is what I think anyone who actually wants to win has to be so it's just a matter of time before you get smashed by the banhammer.

Also I didn't think people at higher elo are just nicer to play with but I'm just sure of it after last few days.Either I am super lucky or just people just stopped spamming in chat and started screaming at their screen.Other than a rengar/zed who went a combined 0/12 by 9 minutes and didn't say a single word whole game(which we won rofl) all teammates have been decent >.>.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 13 2012 18:49 GMT
#4012
It really all depends. High elo players can be super chill, or super ragey when you mess up once. Then they'll get on your ass all game and make it a miserable experience, worse than playing with 800s.
God Bless
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 13 2012 18:51 GMT
#4013
Trundle is getting the next visual update. Seems like an odd choice since no one really plays him.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
December 13 2012 18:53 GMT
#4014
On December 14 2012 03:33 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 02:21 obesechicken13 wrote:
On December 14 2012 01:22 phyvo wrote:
On December 14 2012 00:22 thenexusp wrote:
hurricane on koggles might be good if you make an aoe teamcomp but I don't think it's something you would get every game.


I honestly think hurricane would fit an AP teemo better. You only need to get in range once to get poisoned and even one hit has a .8 AP ratio. Contrast that with Kog where both targets would need 3000 HP to do the same damage with one hit. You might get two off (which would make it more comparable minus Teemo's AP) but with inconsistent runaan's procs Teemo scales better in this situation and is a bigger jerk. Teemo just doesn't build runaan's right now because liandry's + CDR means fun fun shroom fields.

Kennen is the most fun though because when their melee bruisers do group together you get to stunlock one of them for a million years.

I think it's a .4 ratio (soon to be .3) for Teemo's E

Also someone said Kennen's W only counts on the primary target.


The total damage is 0.8 including the DoT. 0.4 is simply the flat damage done each hit. The point being that with everyone moving around constantly you aren't likely to consistently hit people, but on Teemo that matters less because of the DoT damage.


It's decent on Teemo, but it'd almost have to come after liandry + cdr + void staff which means by the time u'd get it you're already on like 250 ap by which point you might as well just get a hat instead

on normal kog it's pretty subpar, but on AP cog its quite amazing
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 13 2012 18:57 GMT
#4015
On December 14 2012 03:51 onlywonderboy wrote:
Trundle is getting the next visual update. Seems like an odd choice since no one really plays him.


Popularity doesn't seem a particularly convincing argument against a visual rework. The real reason this is an odd choice is because Sivir has had the worst model in the game since forever. The Janna, Soraka, and Katarina models pre-rework were at least close to as bad, but there's seriously nothing else that's close.

You can at least argue that maybe they want to make Karma more visually appealing (inc boob job), but I don't really understand what about Trundle's current model or look needs an update.

Also, when they inevitably remake Nunu I'm totally gunning for Willump to just eat the kid and move on. Like, I totally don't even register he's there, the Yeti is the important part.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 13 2012 19:01 GMT
#4016
Trundle doesn't need a visual upgrade, he just needs a new skin.

On December 14 2012 03:57 Seuss wrote:
Also, when they inevitably remake Nunu I'm totally gunning for Willump to just eat the kid and move on. Like, I totally don't even register he's there, the Yeti is the important part.

But the kid is the one that talks in the voice lines. Willump just grunts incoherently.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 13 2012 19:02 GMT
#4017
On December 14 2012 04:01 TheYango wrote:
Trundle doesn't need a visual upgrade, he just needs a new skin.

Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 03:57 Seuss wrote:
Also, when they inevitably remake Nunu I'm totally gunning for Willump to just eat the kid and move on. Like, I totally don't even register he's there, the Yeti is the important part.

But the kid is the one that talks in the voice lines. Willump just grunts incoherently.


It works for Rammus.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 13 2012 19:03 GMT
#4018
On the contrary, Rammus' grunting is very coherent.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 19:05:38
December 13 2012 19:05 GMT
#4019
I hold that coherence isn't important to the efficacy of the grunting.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
December 13 2012 19:06 GMT
#4020
On December 14 2012 04:01 TheYango wrote:
Trundle doesn't need a visual upgrade, he just needs a new skin.

Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 03:57 Seuss wrote:
Also, when they inevitably remake Nunu I'm totally gunning for Willump to just eat the kid and move on. Like, I totally don't even register he's there, the Yeti is the important part.

But the kid is the one that talks in the voice lines. Willump just grunts incoherently.

This, pretty much.
Although his skills definitely need to be looked at; he's fallen waaayyyyy behind given the jungler power creep (and nerf to debuffs affecting jungle monsters).
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