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On December 14 2012 01:22 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 00:22 thenexusp wrote:
hurricane on koggles might be good if you make an aoe teamcomp but I don't think it's something you would get every game. I honestly think hurricane would fit an AP teemo better. You only need to get in range once to get poisoned and even one hit has a .8 AP ratio. Contrast that with Kog where both targets would need 3000 HP to do the same damage with one hit. You might get two off (which would make it more comparable minus Teemo's AP) but with inconsistent runaan's procs Teemo scales better in this situation and is a bigger jerk. Teemo just doesn't build runaan's right now because liandry's + CDR means fun fun shroom fields. Kennen is the most fun though because when their melee bruisers do group together you get to stunlock one of them for a million years.
I think it's a .4 ratio (soon to be .3) for Teemo's E
Also someone said Kennen's W only counts on the primary target.
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On December 14 2012 01:22 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 00:22 thenexusp wrote:
hurricane on koggles might be good if you make an aoe teamcomp but I don't think it's something you would get every game. I honestly think hurricane would fit an AP teemo better. You only need to get in range once to get poisoned and even one hit has a .8 AP ratio. Contrast that with Kog where both targets would need 3000 HP to do the same damage with one hit. You might get two off (which would make it more comparable minus Teemo's AP) but with inconsistent runaan's procs Teemo scales better in this situation and is a bigger jerk. Teemo just doesn't build runaan's right now because liandry's + CDR means fun fun shroom fields. Kennen is the most fun though because when their melee bruisers do group together you get to stunlock one of them for a million years.
Hurricane is bad and Teemo who autoattacks is bad against any competent people, haven't you people already learned that? I can see full AP teemo being viable still tho
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On December 14 2012 02:29 Ogww wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 01:22 phyvo wrote:On December 14 2012 00:22 thenexusp wrote:
hurricane on koggles might be good if you make an aoe teamcomp but I don't think it's something you would get every game. I honestly think hurricane would fit an AP teemo better. You only need to get in range once to get poisoned and even one hit has a .8 AP ratio. Contrast that with Kog where both targets would need 3000 HP to do the same damage with one hit. You might get two off (which would make it more comparable minus Teemo's AP) but with inconsistent runaan's procs Teemo scales better in this situation and is a bigger jerk. Teemo just doesn't build runaan's right now because liandry's + CDR means fun fun shroom fields. Kennen is the most fun though because when their melee bruisers do group together you get to stunlock one of them for a million years. Hurricane is bad and Teemo who autoattacks is bad against any competent people, haven't you people already learned that? I can see full AP teemo being viable still tho
wat. How you play teemo with no auto attacks? tell me your secret
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On December 14 2012 02:29 Ogww wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 01:22 phyvo wrote:On December 14 2012 00:22 thenexusp wrote:
hurricane on koggles might be good if you make an aoe teamcomp but I don't think it's something you would get every game. I honestly think hurricane would fit an AP teemo better. You only need to get in range once to get poisoned and even one hit has a .8 AP ratio. Contrast that with Kog where both targets would need 3000 HP to do the same damage with one hit. You might get two off (which would make it more comparable minus Teemo's AP) but with inconsistent runaan's procs Teemo scales better in this situation and is a bigger jerk. Teemo just doesn't build runaan's right now because liandry's + CDR means fun fun shroom fields. Kennen is the most fun though because when their melee bruisers do group together you get to stunlock one of them for a million years. Hurricane is bad and Teemo who autoattacks is bad against any competent people, haven't you people already learned that? I can see full AP teemo being viable still tho
I have no idea why people keep playing on hit Teemo every game like it's the greatest thing on the planet. Playing AP assassins or Zyra I just always blow him the fuck up whenever he tries to get close enough to autoattack. I killed one 1v1 the other day without even taking damage as Zyra. Since all Teemos are building AP now, it just means I finish my Athene's earlier.
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Man Enterzwerg has to be the #1 most unlucky person of all. He's got banned for nothing for the second time now lol.
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On December 14 2012 02:11 sob3k wrote:Also, what were they thinking when they made Eliesas Miracle? It makes no sense as an item Show nested quote +Stats
+10 health regen per 5 seconds
+15 mana regen per 5 seconds.
Passive
Unique Passive – Aid: Your Summoner Heal, Revive and Clairvoyance cooldowns are reduced by 20%.
Unique Passive – Eleisa's Blessing: If you gain 3 levels with this item, you gain all the effects permanently and this item is consumed. So you get regen that doesn't fill a slot...and then they slap this other passive which is specifically attractive to supports. Supports being the only champs who would be completely uninterested in losing philo's GP5 and don't care about slot efficiancy. Waht?
i built it a couple times but i never noticed the regen being a huge factor. nor did the slot efficiency really matter on a support, and for the most part you have heal up for mid-late game skirmishes anyway since you will never engage to a point where the 20% would've mattered.
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On December 14 2012 02:41 Sponkz wrote:
Man Enterzwerg has to be the #1 most unlucky person of all. He's got banned for nothing for the second time now lol.
The best laid schemes of mice and men often get trolled 
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On December 14 2012 02:41 Sponkz wrote:
Man Enterzwerg has to be the #1 most unlucky person of all. He's got banned for nothing for the second time now lol.
Dunno who this is, can you elaborate prz?
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On December 14 2012 02:18 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 01:57 thenexusp wrote:On December 14 2012 01:20 AsnSensation wrote:Ok guys can someone whos high Elo EUW maybe explain to me why the people there hate our fellow Entenzwerg so much/troll him quite often? We had this a few month ago but he's received a timeban again and I read through his tribunal case and I think it's just ridiculous. "STFU You're stupid" was the only questionable thing in 4(!) reports and that's like the most polite thing ever compared the all the shit I hear in Solo Q everyday. I also check out his stream from time to time because he's a fellow TL'ler and I play ad, as well; he seemed like one of the nicest streamers out there, keeping a positive attitude even when getting shit like J4 or Ashe support, he doesn't complain in chat at all. his recent tribunal case. http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/en/case/508702/#nogo A lot of people seem confused about this but the fraction of reports that actually contain bannable content is not relevant, all that matters is that there is one game where the guy said something bad basically, if someone called people stupid in game 3 only, we can imagine a different tribunal case containing only game 3, which would be a punish. Adding false reports from games 1, 2 and 4 doesn't change the overall verdict. I didn't know that, imo the tribunal is super flawed then. In the reddit thread there are quite a few people that admitted that they are 10 times more toxic than Ente and have never been banned. If it's indeed the case like you said that only 1 single offense ( a mild one in this case imo) is enough to justify a ban, I wonder if the heavy flamers I report everyday are actually banned ( I don't think so) Well, maybe we will hear something from Riot, since he has been unbanned before after Riot looked into his case and found him "wronlgy" banned. Still waiting for some EUW High Elo Solo Q people to tell me why exactly he's hated so much.
If you run a stop sign and then get accused of running a stop sign and running over a pedestrian, and then they realize the running over a pedestrian accusation is false you still get punished for running the stop sign.
Tribunal doesn't have any notion of severity though, it's either punish or pardon. Severity of punishment is solely determined by previous punishments, not by the severity of the offense.
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On December 14 2012 02:54 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 02:18 AsnSensation wrote:On December 14 2012 01:57 thenexusp wrote:On December 14 2012 01:20 AsnSensation wrote:Ok guys can someone whos high Elo EUW maybe explain to me why the people there hate our fellow Entenzwerg so much/troll him quite often? We had this a few month ago but he's received a timeban again and I read through his tribunal case and I think it's just ridiculous. "STFU You're stupid" was the only questionable thing in 4(!) reports and that's like the most polite thing ever compared the all the shit I hear in Solo Q everyday. I also check out his stream from time to time because he's a fellow TL'ler and I play ad, as well; he seemed like one of the nicest streamers out there, keeping a positive attitude even when getting shit like J4 or Ashe support, he doesn't complain in chat at all. his recent tribunal case. http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/en/case/508702/#nogo A lot of people seem confused about this but the fraction of reports that actually contain bannable content is not relevant, all that matters is that there is one game where the guy said something bad basically, if someone called people stupid in game 3 only, we can imagine a different tribunal case containing only game 3, which would be a punish. Adding false reports from games 1, 2 and 4 doesn't change the overall verdict. I didn't know that, imo the tribunal is super flawed then. In the reddit thread there are quite a few people that admitted that they are 10 times more toxic than Ente and have never been banned. If it's indeed the case like you said that only 1 single offense ( a mild one in this case imo) is enough to justify a ban, I wonder if the heavy flamers I report everyday are actually banned ( I don't think so) Well, maybe we will hear something from Riot, since he has been unbanned before after Riot looked into his case and found him "wronlgy" banned. Still waiting for some EUW High Elo Solo Q people to tell me why exactly he's hated so much. If you run a stop sign and then get accused of running a stop sign and running over a pedestrian, and then they realize the running over a pedestrian accusation is false you still get punished for running the stop sign. Tribunal doesn't have any notion of severity though, it's either punish or pardon. Severity of punishment is solely determined by previous punishments, not by the severity of the offense.
Had to read this 4 times to understand what you wanted to say lol... also really bad analogy imo but that's not important
do you personally really think that saying "stfu you're stupid" to a teammate, but in the same game he was reported by 3 enemy players and wrote exactly 1 line in [all] chat which was: " at least he has last whisper", is really banworthy?
He's clearly being a victim of the tribunal system which is abused by some high elo trolls that don't like him.
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watching hotshot stream his game didnt load(in loading screen)but instead of relogging he got the reconnect button somehow and reloaded how do you do this.
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On December 14 2012 01:57 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 01:20 AsnSensation wrote:Ok guys can someone whos high Elo EUW maybe explain to me why the people there hate our fellow Entenzwerg so much/troll him quite often? We had this a few month ago but he's received a timeban again and I read through his tribunal case and I think it's just ridiculous. "STFU You're stupid" was the only questionable thing in 4(!) reports and that's like the most polite thing ever compared the all the shit I hear in Solo Q everyday. I also check out his stream from time to time because he's a fellow TL'ler and I play ad, as well; he seemed like one of the nicest streamers out there, keeping a positive attitude even when getting shit like J4 or Ashe support, he doesn't complain in chat at all. his recent tribunal case. http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/en/case/508702/#nogo A lot of people seem confused about this but the fraction of reports that actually contain bannable content is not relevant, all that matters is that there is one game where the guy said something bad basically, if someone called people stupid in game 3 only, we can imagine a different tribunal case containing only game 3, which would be a punish. Adding false reports from games 1, 2 and 4 doesn't change the overall verdict.
The fake reports actually play a big part since he wouldn't be in the tribunal without them. Everyone gets reported, no matter how nice, but it takes a certain rate of reports per matches played to get to the tribunal.
And you really think saying "you're stupid" once should be bannable? Come on, there's a world of difference between flaming/harrassing/offending and just not being nice. I'm not gonna report someone for calling me or anyone else "idiot" or "stupid" once in a match unless he spams it, or mixes it up with other insults, or gets more aggressive. Half the players would be banned with such rules, I see similar or worse things in almost every match.
It was clearly a mistake to ban him but it does annoy me that people use such exceptions as "proof that tribunal is broken". It's simply impossible to have a perfect justice system with 100% accuracy and The Tribunal's margin of error seems pretty low from what I can tell.
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Entenzwerg is the most positive guy in solo queue next to yellowpete, it's retarded he gets banned because he likes to play weird stuff sometimes like teemo bot and nasus and shit and just gets reported. Tribunal is retarded people just spam punish I guess.
The reason the tribunals error is so low is because you can ban just about 99% of the playerbase if you catch a game they played when they were feeding/a teammate was feeding. Entenzwergs bans were total garbage.
I've seen so much worse from people who never get banned it's just a matter of did you feed if yes did people dislike you enough to report if yes you will eventually get banned
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On December 14 2012 03:08 samthesaluki wrote:
watching hotshot stream his game didnt load(in loading screen)but instead of relogging he got the reconnect button somehow and reloaded how do you do this.
Not sure what he did but I recently picked up a nifty trick from Reddit on how to reconnect without relogging by making a shortcut to the actual game instead of the client - Link to thread
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On December 14 2012 03:09 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 01:57 thenexusp wrote:On December 14 2012 01:20 AsnSensation wrote:Ok guys can someone whos high Elo EUW maybe explain to me why the people there hate our fellow Entenzwerg so much/troll him quite often? We had this a few month ago but he's received a timeban again and I read through his tribunal case and I think it's just ridiculous. "STFU You're stupid" was the only questionable thing in 4(!) reports and that's like the most polite thing ever compared the all the shit I hear in Solo Q everyday. I also check out his stream from time to time because he's a fellow TL'ler and I play ad, as well; he seemed like one of the nicest streamers out there, keeping a positive attitude even when getting shit like J4 or Ashe support, he doesn't complain in chat at all. his recent tribunal case. http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/en/case/508702/#nogo A lot of people seem confused about this but the fraction of reports that actually contain bannable content is not relevant, all that matters is that there is one game where the guy said something bad basically, if someone called people stupid in game 3 only, we can imagine a different tribunal case containing only game 3, which would be a punish. Adding false reports from games 1, 2 and 4 doesn't change the overall verdict. The fake reports actually play a big part since he wouldn't be in the tribunal without them. Everyone gets reported, no matter how nice, but it takes a certain rate of reports per matches played to get to the tribunal. And you really think saying "you're stupid" once should be bannable? Come on, there's a world of difference between flaming/harrassing/offending and just not being nice. I'm not gonna report someone for calling me or anyone else "idiot" or "stupid" once in a match unless he spams it, or mixes it up with other insults, or gets more aggressive. Half the players would be banned with such rules, I see similar or worse things in almost every match. It was clearly a mistake to ban him but it does annoy me that people use such exceptions as "proof that tribunal is broken". It's simply impossible to have a perfect justice system with 100% accuracy and The Tribunal's margin of error seems pretty low from what I can tell.
One of my friends was banned for saying nothing but "gl hf" "gg" and ping missing ect ect. since you don't see what the report was for in tribunal it's all pointless anyway. tribunal doesn't work. it catches the people riot would have caught anyway, and a bunch of others.
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On December 14 2012 03:09 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 01:57 thenexusp wrote:On December 14 2012 01:20 AsnSensation wrote:Ok guys can someone whos high Elo EUW maybe explain to me why the people there hate our fellow Entenzwerg so much/troll him quite often? We had this a few month ago but he's received a timeban again and I read through his tribunal case and I think it's just ridiculous. "STFU You're stupid" was the only questionable thing in 4(!) reports and that's like the most polite thing ever compared the all the shit I hear in Solo Q everyday. I also check out his stream from time to time because he's a fellow TL'ler and I play ad, as well; he seemed like one of the nicest streamers out there, keeping a positive attitude even when getting shit like J4 or Ashe support, he doesn't complain in chat at all. his recent tribunal case. http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/en/case/508702/#nogo A lot of people seem confused about this but the fraction of reports that actually contain bannable content is not relevant, all that matters is that there is one game where the guy said something bad basically, if someone called people stupid in game 3 only, we can imagine a different tribunal case containing only game 3, which would be a punish. Adding false reports from games 1, 2 and 4 doesn't change the overall verdict. The fake reports actually play a big part since he wouldn't be in the tribunal without them. Everyone gets reported, no matter how nice, but it takes a certain rate of reports per matches played to get to the tribunal. And you really think saying "you're stupid" once should be bannable? Come on, there's a world of difference between flaming/harrassing/offending and just not being nice. I'm not gonna report someone for calling me or anyone else "idiot" or "stupid" once in a match unless he spams it, or mixes it up with other insults, or gets more aggressive. Half the players would be banned with such rules, I see similar or worse things in almost every match. It was clearly a mistake to ban him but it does annoy me that people use such exceptions as "proof that tribunal is broken". It's simply impossible to have a perfect justice system with 100% accuracy and The Tribunal's margin of error seems pretty low from what I can tell.
It might depent on how you look at it. But I think it's actually a big problem when innocents get punished, even tho the margin of error might be pretty low
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Enten isn't really banned because he plays weird stuff I think, it's just a few high elo people really really hate him (for reasons unknown to me) and report him as often as they can. I think among others it's BAF AT THE GAME and Sickology Azox. Because there is so few people at high elo, he plays against them often so he gets reported often.
^^^^ I am super positive in soloQ too Teut, gimme some credit pl0x
vvvvvv manner Teut, manner
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positive in the gay musical type of way though
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United States15536 Posts
Unfortunately, I think all the problems that people are having with the Tribunal are the same problems they have with things like trial by jury... or basically any justice system in which peers are involved. Yes, there will be incorrect judgements (on both sides). Yes the people doing the judging are flawed themselves. But it's better than arbiters and people who simply mete out justice because dictatorships are never fun.
If you can think of a better system, by all means. But, frankly, if you do, tell your governing body, because they'll probably hail you as a hero and make you into a law scholar.
Edit: Well, dictatorships are never fun unless they're Neo's. Then they'r....DDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRKKKKKKKNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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