EPT[Patch 1.0.0.152: Preseason 3] General Discussion - Page 12
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:10 Ryuu314 wrote: Very true. I suppose if the LoL scene could adjust back then, they can adjust again. I'm just expecting some nerfs on sightstone in some way, probably # of charges and/or # of simultaneous wards. make sightstone wards last 1.5 minutes instead of 3. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:05 Ryuu314 wrote: The dumbest thing I think about the whole sightstone thing is that not all that long ago Riot was complaining about "passive" play. Part of the reason for passivity was due to the overwhelming prevalence of vision. Teams adjusted to that by picking strong gankers for more jungle presence and/or picking up very early oracles. Now Riot compounds an existing problem by nerfing oracles, making wards even easier to get on top of making jungle even hard to clear? It doesn't make any sense to me. Basically: Jungler always farm, never gank = passive play Jungler ganks all the time = laners play safe in fear = passive play On December 05 2012 04:11 greggy wrote: So what do you think an ad will buy as his starting items? boots seem a bit redundant and can be skipped. flask + pots seems a bit superfluous. this leaves doran's I guess but then no regen :/ Go deep utility so you can start flask+cloth. Maybe not. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:02 Requizen wrote: I wish I was good enough to write a guide  The prerequisites for writing a guide are the ability to write readable English and the humility to make changes based on the input of other people. Guides are simply a type of compiled information, the information doesn't have to originate from you. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:11 greggy wrote: So what do you think an ad will buy as his starting items? boots seem a bit redundant and can be skipped. flask + pots seems a bit superfluous. this leaves doran's I guess but then no regen :/ Long Sword is possible if you're going for like Bruta or Vamp Scepter, or even save it for LW. Boots can still be ok, if you want quicker Zerker's (especially with Furor being awesome for ADs). DBlade isn't bad and will probably be pretty good for people who want to low level skirmish. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:02 Requizen wrote: I wish I was good enough to write a guide You two are like... the same elo. possibly req being slightly higher. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:15 Dgiese wrote: You two are like... the same elo. possibly req being slightly higher. Yeah, but I win by luck, I'm not actually that good of a player >.> | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:16 Requizen wrote: Yeah, but I win by luck, I'm not actually that good of a player >.> And Corvette wins games based off skill? Cmon kid, have more confidence in yourself. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
1v1 son! Loser never gets to write a guide again, winner must write every single guide from now on. | ||
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D u o
Canada381 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:14 Requizen wrote: Long Sword is possible if you're going for like Bruta or Vamp Scepter, or even save it for LW. Boots can still be ok, if you want quicker Zerker's (especially with Furor being awesome for ADs). DBlade isn't bad and will probably be pretty good for people who want to low level skirmish. Been trying out wriggles builds again, going armor 5 pot, and then into vamp -> wriggles. If you get ahead you can just pass up the wriggles and go for a BT. Since AD tree is nerfed, seems better to go for 9/21, and adjust from how the lane is going. Sunder basically neutralizes hardiness, but unyielding and block are 5 damage reduced, ontop of the 15 armor you get from the start. Brute force, havoc and executioner don't pass through your armor at level 1-3. So far it's worked out well enough for me. :D Idea is to force trades, and your armor and superior sustain will win you the lane. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:12 thenexusp wrote: Basically: Jungler always farm, never gank = passive play Jungler ganks all the time = laners play safe in fear = passive play Go deep utility so you can start flask+cloth. Maybe not. You go deep utility so you can get dat biscuit. On December 05 2012 04:21 nosliw wrote: doran passive not unique anymore? I don't think Dorans were ever unique, unless you're talking about PBE. | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:14 Requizen wrote: Long Sword is possible if you're going for like Bruta or Vamp Scepter, or even save it for LW. Boots can still be ok, if you want quicker Zerker's (especially with Furor being awesome for ADs). DBlade isn't bad and will probably be pretty good for people who want to low level skirmish. Forgot long sword builds into vamp now, I guess this is the way to go. I guess the added damage will offset the loss in ad from runes. Oh and the wards/oracle changes are, imho, completely retarded. At low elo, there's exactly one reason to buy oracle now, and that's when you want to do baron. At any other point, you'll maybe clear 2 or 3 wards if you're lucky and know exactly where they are (so baron, dragon and lane entrances + wraiths, where most of these won't actually be warded) and that's the end of that. Meanwhile, at pro level infinite spammable wards + sightstone (read: more spammable wards + stats) provide nearly perfect information at every point in time. I don't really see how these changes benefit any level of the game. I also think that I'll be going at least 16 in utility on every hero (except manaless ones) in every lane (except mid which I don't play). Defensive top end doesn't seem all that attractive, while all that gold and ms is just too good to pass up. Doran's blade passives weren't unique at any point. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:25 onlywonderboy wrote: In theory the weaker jungle pressure should allow for people to play more aggressive in lane, but it's hard to say if this will actually become the norm. I feel like all lanes will be super aggressive for the first couple weeks as people try out new items anyway. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:17 Roffles wrote: And Corvette wins games based off skill? Cmon kid, have more confidence in yourself. I win games by forcefeeding kills down my ADC's throat in botlane and hoping to god that the team doesn't start to rage. But in all reality, I do play some champions at a higher level than the current elo I'm at. Gragas is one of those (except when facing Csheep's karthus T_T), Xin is not. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
In fact it might even make you a better player. Instead of rationalizing to yourself that "Champion X beats Champion Y just because" you will know exactly why that is and what can be done to counter every step of the way and you would probably be able to pull the reverse off as well. That actually sounds really interesting. I want to give it a try now. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On December 05 2012 04:26 Requizen wrote: I feel like all lanes will be super aggressive for the first couple weeks as people try out new items anyway. Which is the perfect time to gank, because people havent' warded yet! Unless you're the asshat in lane that starts bottle + wards. In which case I hope the guy that started Doran Ring dumps all over you. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4690 Posts
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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