[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 8

On November 13 2012 09:28 Irave wrote:
So with this patch it doesn't appear that jungling is changing that much? I don't see anything about the changes, plus lack of the machete. Also no sightstone.

On November 13 2012 09:30 SnK-Arcbound wrote:

End of S2 patch and S3 patch aren't the same thing. We are going to the preseason before they release the S3 patch.

On November 13 2012 09:33 thenexusp wrote:
I don't see them actually disabling ranked queues because don't they have the "path to pro" ranked 5's contest going or something? And I really don't see them finishing the s3 patch before end december at the earliest...

On November 13 2012 09:42 Sufficiency wrote:


The problem, I feel, is that S3 changes won't go LIVE in the next 2-3 weeks, so the path to pro thing is more like "learning to abuse the S3 changes in a month".

On November 13 2012 10:11 obesechicken13 wrote:
Kat nerfs are something.

Hey can someone reply and pm in case I don't check this exact page(I usually do but not thoroughly). I hear there's a way to keybind a skill to only hit champions in the game from the game tips. When I go to keybinds, I don't think I can keybind tilde and an ability together. How's it done?

On November 13 2012 10:12 Gorsameth wrote:
Imo you would surely want these giant changes released before season 3 so that you can do some balance work before it start no?

On November 13 2012 08:32 TheYango wrote:
That's the thing. If they really want to make Flash more of an option and not a requirement, they need to gut the skill, and totally re-evaluate what it does, what parts of it they want to keep, etc. These small CD nerfs don't really accomplish anything.

Seeing as the pre-S3 changes are already aimed at tearing down and revamping large parts of the game, they may as well put Flash in the mix as well if they really are intent on changing it.

On November 13 2012 10:23 Requizen wrote:

See with this, I can't really see what a gutting and evaluation process would yield. It's a button, and when you push it, your character teleports a certain distance. This obviously has a huge amount of uses, but it's not a lot of moving parts that you can move around.

Actually, I did a bit of reflecting on this. What is Flash used for?

a) Quick escape
i)) Generating distance instantly
ii)) Going through walls/obstacles

b) Quick initiation
i)) Closing distance quickly
ii)) Going through walls/obstacles

How does one break this down? From what I can see, you can break it in two parts, two different ways:

Solution 1) Make the gap opener/closer one spell and the wall/obstacle negation another:
The way I would think of to do this would be this: Make Ghost allow you to pass through walls in addition to ignoring collision and the move speed. This allows for clutch escapes/initiates over Baron pit, dragon pit, base walls, etc to still exist, but in a less "instantly appear/disappear with no warning" fashion.

At the same time, keep Flash, lower it's distance and CD an appropriate amount, but don't let it pass through walls. This still gives it's initiation/escape mechanic, but giving it more of a Nidalee Pounce distance than a Ezreal E distance makes it less of a "get out of jail free" card and more of a "hop away to supplement your escape" card. Lower CD would probably be tantamount.

Solution 2) Split it up into an initiation spell and an escape spell:
One of the issues is that whether you need it to get to a target (Udyr, Skarner) or away from someone (Kog, some other champ with no escape), it's the only choice for either. So you can use the same tool for offensive and defensive play, it's always useful, and there's really no reason not to take it.

So what if it was two different spells that both required targets? One, you have to point at the target and it rushes towards them (maybe not a full gap closer, but at the very least a long dash that requires a target's direction), and the other pushes you away from the target/knocks them back from you. Now, you can't just bring one "do it all" spell that lets you play both aggressively and have an escape in one choice, but requires you to pick and choose depending on how you're going to play, who you're playing, and who the enemy team has.

I ramble.