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On November 13 2012 10:33 Sufficiency wrote:
The thing about Flash nerf is that it makes champions with gap closers stronger, and this is already a huge problem in this game.
Yes, but gap closers should be a strength of the champion. If they need to be nerfed/buffed based on the power of that gap closer, it should be done independently from Flash, which isn't really possible. Now, it's hard to justify nerfing gap closers because "well, you can just Flash away from it most of the time", which doesn't seem like a good structure.
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On November 13 2012 10:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
How about this: Slows also reduce Flash range by (half?) the slow%.
It's an idea I stole from GW2, where defensive rolls and whatever are also shorter if you are slowed. I like it cause it means you have to use them before you get CC'd, but it's not as punishing as completely disallowing them.
No that's a terrible idea. A lot of slowing effects are not visually obvious, so it's easy to make someone fail a Flash across the wall simply because he got "stealth-slowed".
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On November 13 2012 09:11 Ketara wrote:
Another big flash issue is that in regards to watching LoL as a spectator sport, flash is just cool. It creates all sorts of cool things.
It's obvious they don't WANT to get rid of it, because it is so cool. I think they really are stuck in their own hole until they decide to do a massive across the board champ rebalance just so flash won't be a requirement.
In regards to ghost and slows, they could do something like have the improved ghost mastery be "reduces the effect of slows by 50% while ghost is active" or something. That would make slows affect other movespeed boosts the same amount but not ghost.
Without flash we would have never had Snoopeh's epic rapture/flash/feast when he was getting tower dove during the WC. Such a sick play.
Also whoever said no one would use flash if it was on a 20 minute cooldown, of course not, but that's not likely to happen. They already said it would only be a slight nerf, I would guess 30 seconds max, but I expect it to be shorter. I didn't say it was impossible to nerf it into the ground, just not what Riot is planning at the moment.
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On November 13 2012 09:09 Parnage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 09:00 MooMooMugi wrote:
Why would they remove leashing from jungle? Is it because Riot wants to make this game so noob friendly the jungle will be completely destroyed? Because jungle leashes end in two ways: 1. You got a good pull! 2. That singed just flipped blue golem over the wall and went to lane, have fun!" I'd rather be given the ability to just do it myself. If that's noob friendly I welcome it.
What you fail to realize is that #2 happened even before there were leashes. :3
More seriously, the removal of leashing is perhaps the most baseless change I've seen from Riot. Leashing is arguably the best mechanic in the game. Consider:
- Leashing miraculously brings random, bitter strangers together in an act of mutual cooperation, even in the three digit Elo brackets.
- Leashing acts as a crucial stepping stone between the "Huh? Stuff happens before 2:00?" and "We must group up in case they invade!" stages of player development.
- Removing leashing doesn't solve the problem of coordinated teams dealing enough damage for a jungler to save Smite or better preserve themselves.
My educated guess is that Riot is afraid champions will have too easy a time if they get a leash in the new jungle, hence it has to go. They might also be afraid that there will be too big a difference between junglers who get a leash, and junglers who don't. Both of these issues, however, can easily be solved by adjusting the damage on buff camps. It's not necessary to remove a mechanic which single-handedly informed more people about the needs and thoughts of a jungler than all of the Youtube jungle guides combined.
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That's just pointless....
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Is this live on the official servers or just the test servers? also does it just apply to normals or ranked games also? o.O
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It's live on NA currently and supposedly applying to all queues.
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On November 13 2012 10:52 Dandel Ion wrote:That's just pointless....
Not really it was something that was being discussed here yesterday. That the placement elo range is quite unusual. Because sometimes you face the guy that needs to be 1800 or get the guy that's 500. If you have an amount of wins that should provide enough thought that you belong in the elo, you'll less likely face that scenario. Its a nice little improvement.
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On November 13 2012 10:52 Dandel Ion wrote:That's just pointless....
It's not pointless for normals. I know several people playing normals who have sub-100 wins being matched up against people with 500+ wins. During that early level 400 more games of experience makes a big difference in level of play.
Edit: Even if their hidden elo or whatever is low enough to have them matched up with newer players, still makes a difference.
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On November 13 2012 10:57 Irave wrote:Not really it was something that was being discussed here yesterday. That the placement elo range is quite unusual. Because sometimes you face the guy that needs to be 1800 or get the guy that's 500. If you have an amount of wins that should provide enough thought that you belong in the elo, you'll less likely face that scenario. Its a nice little improvement.
Not to mention the people around 1200 ELO who can be paired with all the newbies are now more likely to be matched with people who have been playing ranked for longer.
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I hope it's a low maximum threshold for ranked (e.g. 100 games).
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The matchmaking changes is going to change how smurfs work. Ha!
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On November 13 2012 11:01 Sufficiency wrote:
The matchmaking changes is going to change how smurfs work. Ha!
Indeed, also increases the chance that smurfs have to play each other.
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Well that's just dumb, I've been matched with people that have 300-400 more wins in my normal games regularly -.-;; I'm going to get bumped like some elo back just because. Eventually, I'll make it back, but why the fuck...
P.S. My ranked games aren't much different, it's just that the +- hasn't gone up post 200 this season.
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On November 13 2012 11:03 NEOtheONE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:01 Sufficiency wrote:
The matchmaking changes is going to change how smurfs work. Ha! Indeed, also increases the chance that smurfs have to play each other.
I'd take that over having 30mins queue each game anyday!
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On November 13 2012 11:08 qanik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:03 NEOtheONE wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Sufficiency wrote:
The matchmaking changes is going to change how smurfs work. Ha! Indeed, also increases the chance that smurfs have to play each other. I'd take that over having 30mins queue each game anyday!
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On November 13 2012 10:49 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 09:09 Parnage wrote:On November 13 2012 09:00 MooMooMugi wrote:
Why would they remove leashing from jungle? Is it because Riot wants to make this game so noob friendly the jungle will be completely destroyed? Because jungle leashes end in two ways: 1. You got a good pull! 2. That singed just flipped blue golem over the wall and went to lane, have fun!" I'd rather be given the ability to just do it myself. If that's noob friendly I welcome it. What you fail to realize is that #2 happened even before there were leashes. :3 More seriously, the removal of leashing is perhaps the most baseless change I've seen from Riot. Leashing is arguably the best mechanic in the game. Consider: - Leashing miraculously brings random, bitter strangers together in an act of mutual cooperation, even in the three digit Elo brackets.
- Leashing acts as a crucial stepping stone between the "Huh? Stuff happens before 2:00?" and "We must group up in case they invade!" stages of player development.
- Removing leashing doesn't solve the problem of coordinated teams dealing enough damage for a jungler to save Smite or better preserve themselves.
My educated guess is that Riot is afraid champions will have too easy a time if they get a leash in the new jungle, hence it has to go. They might also be afraid that there will be too big a difference between junglers who get a leash, and junglers who don't. Both of these issues, however, can easily be solved by adjusting the damage on buff camps. It's not necessary to remove a mechanic which single-handedly informed more people about the needs and thoughts of a jungler than all of the Youtube jungle guides combined.
This is such a good post.
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I just supported a 2100 Elo Vayne in my last normal blind... wow. I'm bad with Vayne, and I she has a rough time in lane, and my mechanics are awful in general, but watching him play was... well, since because of the blind format we had the same supports, it was basically 1v1, or even 1v2 (since it was risky for me to engage and bait him, but easier for the opponent). He managed to keep up in cs without exposing himself, then pulled off some clutch and mechanically sound plays when the fights were close or I screwed up one way or the other.
Showed me a lot about how I could be playing Vayne to improve, but that gap was... wow. o_o
Also, his account only had a 2-3 record in normals, and he told me he got it level 30 (rather than leveling it with coops). That surprised me, I thought it was reserved to the Korean server (along with the champions unlocked thing).
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