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mordek
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Sandster
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mordek
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On November 30 2012 06:19 wei2coolman wrote: I think that's more so Rengar being broken as fuck, rather than a top lane coming back.  The only real way to win back top lane is. if the enemy toplane starts roaming with advantage, and you stay toplane farm up, and hopefully your team doesn't get raped by the roaming enemy toplaner. Champs with sustain can mitigate getting snowballed against b/c the enemy can't use their advantage to shove you out of lane as easily. | ||
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cLutZ
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:47 cLutZ wrote: I feel sad that I missed the entire 6 pages of conversation based on my offhand comment that LW isn't always the best 3rd DPS option on a Carry. Especially considering I was talking mostly about Kog (and to a lesser extent the Ezreal TF>BT>LW build, which is a timing window thing that some people do too blindly), and it created a massive Silver Bolts conversation. Here's some math for you: http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/gentleman-gustaf/21273-yelling-about-last-whisper Note this article was made before they nerfed Corki's passive. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:55 TwoToneTerran wrote: Here's some math for you: http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/gentleman-gustaf/21273-yelling-about-last-whisper Note this article was made before they nerfed Corki's passive. Seems to agree with what I usually observe, but it really isn't talking about the TF first builds (which confuse me just as much). I don't know what people actually think about, but here is what I assume (as Corki/Ezreal) (lets assume they are playing an AD Carry with an arguably better lategame, like Kog, Vayne, Ashe or Trist). This is the sequence of events that confuses me: 1. I'll grab this phage then crush in lane! Doesn't Crush. 2. Ill finish TF, then we will win a big dragon fight. Win a dragon fight (or not) but doesn't snowball the game out of control. 3. Got the BF sword, if I make a Bloodthirster, we will win because of my midgame power! Midgame power not exploited. 4. Welp LW is like way cheaper than IE, better get it for this Baron! Baron doesn't happen for a few minutes. 5. TEAMFIGHT! Meanwhile you have TF/BT/LW vs. IE/PD/LW(or other). and the damage difference is highly observable (not only because of the lategame champ disparity), particularly on Ezreal. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On the bright side, all of this is gonna change when Riot dumps the 30 new items or whatever into the game and it's gonna rule. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:54 thenexusp wrote: Speaking of AD carry builds, when do you guys start buying green elixirs? I used to only get them after full build but now I'm thinking you probably want to start getting them sooner, since they're so good for the cost. I get them when I have 5 complete items + a piece of the 6th, but maybe it'd be good to start chugging them even earlier? dunno You can buy elixirs if you recalled and know that you will do a full 5v5 fight in the next few mins. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On November 30 2012 05:40 TheYango wrote: But the overall level of LoL play isn't so high that is a limiting factor yet. BW only really hit that point after like 7-8 years (at the point where you could say TBLS were dominating on the basis of their talent AND their practice). LoL isn't anywhere close to that yet. why didn't my parents put more points into "StarCraft Aptitude" at character creation | ||
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Alaric
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Numy
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 30 2012 08:57 Alaric wrote: The invades going on at IPL5 make me wonder about S3 jungle: even if you invade and steal a buff, your level 2 jungler won't be able to kill his own second buff by himself, so won't it weaken invades (and "give a buff to X laner with TP") a lot by itself? I think a solo champ would have a hard time taking a buff without Machete, and a 3 man invade is pretty weak. edit: On November 30 2012 09:00 Numy wrote: I wonder a lot about S3 jungle too. What they said they want to achieve and what they are going to achieve I think are going to be completely different things I agree. I think ganks are not really weaker aside from machete being weaker for ganks than boots. The jungle doesn't seem to provide the kind of carry gold I think it really needs to to avoid the "stealing farm" problem. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 30 2012 08:57 Alaric wrote: The invades going on at IPL5 make me wonder about S3 jungle: even if you invade and steal a buff, your level 2 jungler won't be able to kill his own second buff by himself, so won't it weaken invades (and "give a buff to X laner with TP") a lot by itself? It depends a lot on the jungler, your rune/mastery setup, and what happens during the invasion. Keep in mind that without any help at your first buff camp you can expect to take 300-500 damage. If a jungler takes that much damage but walk away with a buff and level 2 they aren't really any worse off. It's only they come away empty handed that they have a problem, and even then I imagine good junglers will be able to cope. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 30 2012 08:57 Alaric wrote: The invades going on at IPL5 make me wonder about S3 jungle: even if you invade and steal a buff, your level 2 jungler won't be able to kill his own second buff by himself, so won't it weaken invades (and "give a buff to X laner with TP") a lot by itself? Your jungler can solo his 2nd buff if he doesn't have to smite the first one. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 30 2012 09:24 Alaric wrote: Sounds risky if you can't get the enemy team totally out of their buff area, or they can go for the smite if you don't use yours. May even be a win for them. Obviously if their jungler is there you smite it. Him wasting his time around your invade puts him behind anyway. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 30 2012 08:10 cLutZ wrote: Seems to agree with what I usually observe, but it really isn't talking about the TF first builds (which confuse me just as much). I don't know what people actually think about, but here is what I assume (as Corki/Ezreal) (lets assume they are playing an AD Carry with an arguably better lategame, like Kog, Vayne, Ashe or Trist). This is the sequence of events that confuses me: 1. I'll grab this phage then crush in lane! Doesn't Crush. 2. Ill finish TF, then we will win a big dragon fight. Win a dragon fight (or not) but doesn't snowball the game out of control. 3. Got the BF sword, if I make a Bloodthirster, we will win because of my midgame power! Midgame power not exploited. 4. Welp LW is like way cheaper than IE, better get it for this Baron! Baron doesn't happen for a few minutes. 5. TEAMFIGHT! Meanwhile you have TF/BT/LW vs. IE/PD/LW(or other). and the damage difference is highly observable (not only because of the lategame champ disparity), particularly on Ezreal. Yellowpete went Phage>IE vs. NA. Super Cool. | ||
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Serelitz
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