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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 15:31:25
November 26 2012 15:31 GMT
#4261
By the way I haven't played support in a long time, and I used to run 0/9/21 masteries with gp5 quints and armor reds. What are standard openings now? I assume 14/0/16, 9/5/16, and 1/13/16 are pretty popular? Or maybe even x/x/14.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 26 2012 15:32 GMT
#4262
On November 27 2012 00:27 billy5000 wrote:
Speaking of which, how do you exactly deal with a kill lane combo in terms of our timing window? I'm usually playing aggressive supports and I've had some bad experience with playing aggressive early on. But usually how long do I have to be passive? I've had a couple of games when I thought we played passively for longer than we should have.

It depends on a lot of things. I know it's kind of an inane answer, but if you're playing vs an aggressive/kill lane, you play passive until you can fight them without dying. You just need a feel for when that is.

Generally, it means you can't fight until you get support from the mid or jungle, so you're passive until it's no longer a 2v2 scenario. Farm, maybe push, and try to get the game into a teamfight stage where you can contribute more than farm and babysit to survive.
It's your boy Guzma!
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 15:33:45
November 26 2012 15:32 GMT
#4263
On November 27 2012 00:31 Sandster wrote:
By the way I haven't played support in a long time, and I used to run 0/9/21 masteries with gp5 quints and armor reds. What are standard openings now? I assume 14/0/16, 9/5/16, and 1/13/16 are pretty popular? Or maybe even x/x/14.

You do know that's all going to be completely irrelevant really really soon.

PS: Ah crap Requizen, I hope they don't find out about Jungle Taric (Actually didn't he get some nerfs because of that?)
3.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 15:41:21
November 26 2012 15:36 GMT
#4264
On November 27 2012 00:32 Inschato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 00:31 Sandster wrote:
By the way I haven't played support in a long time, and I used to run 0/9/21 masteries with gp5 quints and armor reds. What are standard openings now? I assume 14/0/16, 9/5/16, and 1/13/16 are pretty popular? Or maybe even x/x/14.

You do know that's all going to be completely irrelevant really really soon.

PS: Ah crap Requizen, I hope they don't find out about Jungle Taric (Actually didn't he get some nerfs because of that?)


I would recommend switching between a 0 9 21 and a 0 21 9 depending on if you're playing a tanky lane bruiser or a more pure support. You want dat gp5 on a pure support, but you can sacrifice a bit for the sake of being a complete bully on other champs. Far as runes go, you can play around with switching gp5 quints and movespeed quints depending on the situation. I play around with movespeed quints and gp5 yellows on Taric b/c of his armor passive. I don't think I'm at the skill level where it makes a huge difference though.

But yeah, I'll probably need to redo that stuff for S3.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 26 2012 15:39 GMT
#4265
On November 26 2012 22:27 adriftt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 18:21 Caphe wrote:
Watching DL and Locodoco practice bot lane is so painful, they want to make the play so much that it backfire them in almost every encounter. DL is bad at decision making but usually blame Loco for it, lol.


i think its kinda funny, i like doublelift and think hes great at teamfighting but its even more obvious now how much chauster carried them in laning phase


Dlift is probably the "best" ADC at farming out of the lane phase.

I say best, but I really mean "WHY THE HELL DOES NO ONE EVER PUNISH CLG WHEN DLIFT IS AFK FARMING!"

It happens in 8/10 games CLG wins vs. real teams. Jiji and Hotshot are behind for the midgame (when top/mid are strongest), the other team does nothing as Dlift gets 300 CS, then they win a teamfight at 35 mins, or splitpush and win.

TSM kinda figured this out some time this last year, IDK why other people haven't.
Freeeeeeedom
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
November 26 2012 15:41 GMT
#4266
On November 27 2012 00:31 Sandster wrote:
By the way I haven't played support in a long time, and I used to run 0/9/21 masteries with gp5 quints and armor reds. What are standard openings now? I assume 14/0/16, 9/5/16, and 1/13/16 are pretty popular? Or maybe even x/x/14.



1/16/13 and 9/0/21 is pretty much what i use. First one when u want beefiness, second one for extreme poke. I tried 9/14/7 but it felt inferior to 9/0/21.
hi
JokerSan
Profile Joined April 2005
United States306 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 15:45:27
November 26 2012 15:43 GMT
#4267
I usually use those runes and 1/8/21 on passive supports and 1/15/14 on aggressive supports, logic being cd's and regen is more important for passive supports and running up and stunning them is more important on aggressive supports. I think Spellsy uses the same argument when picking masteries for support and he is super pro.

also exhaust+ is op and bonus gold is op
LoL: Soles | forever 1600
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 15:45:39
November 26 2012 15:44 GMT
#4268
Yeah for me support masteries kind of depend on the character, but it's mostly 1/16/13 (Taric Nunu Blitz Leona), 9/0/21 (Soraka Zyra Lux) and 0/9/21 (Sona Janna).
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
adriftt
Profile Joined March 2012
335 Posts
November 26 2012 15:45 GMT
#4269
On November 27 2012 00:39 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 22:27 adriftt wrote:
On November 26 2012 18:21 Caphe wrote:
Watching DL and Locodoco practice bot lane is so painful, they want to make the play so much that it backfire them in almost every encounter. DL is bad at decision making but usually blame Loco for it, lol.


i think its kinda funny, i like doublelift and think hes great at teamfighting but its even more obvious now how much chauster carried them in laning phase


Dlift is probably the "best" ADC at farming out of the lane phase.

I say best, but I really mean "WHY THE HELL DOES NO ONE EVER PUNISH CLG WHEN DLIFT IS AFK FARMING!"

It happens in 8/10 games CLG wins vs. real teams. Jiji and Hotshot are behind for the midgame (when top/mid are strongest), the other team does nothing as Dlift gets 300 CS, then they win a teamfight at 35 mins, or splitpush and win.

TSM kinda figured this out some time this last year, IDK why other people haven't.


actually if you watch the games at MLG dallas sword kept 3 man ganking him when he went off to do his afk farm routine
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 26 2012 15:46 GMT
#4270
On November 27 2012 00:27 billy5000 wrote:
Speaking of which, how do you exactly deal with a kill lane combo in terms of our timing window (as standard adc+support)? I'm usually playing aggressive supports and I've had some bad experience with playing aggressive early on. But usually how long do I have to be passive? I've had a couple of games when I thought we played passively for longer than we should have.


You play passive until you've become strong enough to be a threat to the kill lane. When you reach that point will vary wildly depending on jungle pressure, skill, gold income, champion picks etc. For example, it's a lot easier to reach that point on Caitlyn as opposed to Vayne. Typically once Caitlyn has a B.F. Sword she can harass the enemy bruisers and take control of the lane. Vayne, however, does not have the range to pull that off safely and has to either be extremely skillful, lucky, or remain careful for longer.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
November 26 2012 15:51 GMT
#4271
Hmmm ok.Was interested in people's opinion.Btw I just got angry cause sivir goes in bush head first vs leona/graves 3 times in a row and other game kata can't click w to push lane.Gotta work on my attitude I guess cause honestly those 2 games seem like no flaming at all to me(or justified).
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 15:55:44
November 26 2012 15:55 GMT
#4272
Calling somebody worthless is never justified.

If you really think you'd rather be playing a 4v5 you have an attitude problem, unless they're straight up 0/20 and walking into the enemy base repeatedly. If that's the case nothing you say is going to help and you should just report them for trolling.

There are a lot of bad players. Calling them bad doesn't help them get better, it just makes them angry and likely will distract them into playing worse or convince them to not try as hard.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Taktik
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland680 Posts
November 26 2012 16:00 GMT
#4273
Got a newb question xd How to bind /laugh /joke etc. to keys? Couldnt find that option ;/
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11904 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 16:04:36
November 26 2012 16:04 GMT
#4274
On November 27 2012 01:00 Taktik wrote:
Got a newb question xd How to bind /laugh /joke etc. to keys? Couldnt find that option ;/


They are already bound to ctrl + 1-4 by default, and i seem to recall an option for that being in the menu.

Edit: Please don't spam those, its annoying.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 26 2012 16:12 GMT
#4275
On November 27 2012 01:04 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 01:00 Taktik wrote:
Got a newb question xd How to bind /laugh /joke etc. to keys? Couldnt find that option ;/


They are already bound to ctrl + 1-4 by default, and i seem to recall an option for that being in the menu.

Edit: Please don't spam those, its annoying.


Except when you are Blitzcrank, Lux or Singed. Laughing is mandatory to perform well with these champions.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 16:14:27
November 26 2012 16:13 GMT
#4276
On November 27 2012 00:24 Inschato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 23:59 Crownlol wrote:
On November 26 2012 23:08 NeoIllusions wrote:
With how Bot lane is design, it feels more appropriate to have the Support take the lead and initiate/make calls. Of course there are pairs that are ADC dominate, like aphro/muffin, but for the majority, Support will make the first move.



This seems even more true with the new aggressive supports like Zyra. After seeing one of the Asian teams running Zyra support nonstop I tried it out- it feels amazing, can even start philo/kages into Rylais and DFG along with your build from all the gold you'll be getting with assists and whatnot.

If by feels amazing you mean is completely silly... She has more CC than Leona, it's all ranged, and she does way more damage than said Leona. Superior bush control. Ridiculous, someone tell me why she isn't going to get nerfed?



I wasn't saying that she's not OP, but it feels awesome to get scores like 6/1/25+ as a support. You can build pure AP bruiser after the laning phase- I even made new rune and mastery pages called "carrysupport". Just played a game with AP Kennan top and Morg in mid. Teamfights were a joke with Zyra/Morg/Kennan aoe dmg+cc ults all popped.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 26 2012 16:15 GMT
#4277
On November 27 2012 00:45 adriftt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 00:39 cLutZ wrote:
On November 26 2012 22:27 adriftt wrote:
On November 26 2012 18:21 Caphe wrote:
Watching DL and Locodoco practice bot lane is so painful, they want to make the play so much that it backfire them in almost every encounter. DL is bad at decision making but usually blame Loco for it, lol.


i think its kinda funny, i like doublelift and think hes great at teamfighting but its even more obvious now how much chauster carried them in laning phase


Dlift is probably the "best" ADC at farming out of the lane phase.

I say best, but I really mean "WHY THE HELL DOES NO ONE EVER PUNISH CLG WHEN DLIFT IS AFK FARMING!"

It happens in 8/10 games CLG wins vs. real teams. Jiji and Hotshot are behind for the midgame (when top/mid are strongest), the other team does nothing as Dlift gets 300 CS, then they win a teamfight at 35 mins, or splitpush and win.

TSM kinda figured this out some time this last year, IDK why other people haven't.


actually if you watch the games at MLG dallas sword kept 3 man ganking him when he went off to do his afk farm routine


And they 2-0'd NA. I was mostly saying that a bunch of NA teams failed to do that (usually when you are praising TSM it is in relation to the remainder of NA).
Freeeeeeedom
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 16:19:54
November 26 2012 16:19 GMT
#4278
The maximum lux combo is

CTRL-4 E Q auto E R CTRL-4 auto
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
November 26 2012 16:26 GMT
#4279
On November 27 2012 01:12 Celial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 01:04 Simberto wrote:
On November 27 2012 01:00 Taktik wrote:
Got a newb question xd How to bind /laugh /joke etc. to keys? Couldnt find that option ;/


They are already bound to ctrl + 1-4 by default, and i seem to recall an option for that being in the menu.

Edit: Please don't spam those, its annoying.


Except when you are Blitzcrank, Lux or Singed. Laughing is mandatory to perform well with these champions.

Or Nunu Bot
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
November 26 2012 16:32 GMT
#4280
9 11 10 for king support masterys, i use that on lulu and sona
it's all about the sexual tension in lane
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
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