EPTWE: Katarina, Orianna, Lee Sin
Royal: TF, Cho Gath, Corki
Picks:
WE: Diana, Blitzcrank, Ezreal, Amumu, Olaf
Royal: Zyra, Malphite, Nunu, Vayne, Maokai
[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 198
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Kavas
Australia3421 Posts
WE: Katarina, Orianna, Lee Sin Royal: TF, Cho Gath, Corki Picks: WE: Diana, Blitzcrank, Ezreal, Amumu, Olaf Royal: Zyra, Malphite, Nunu, Vayne, Maokai | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Royal keeping up bot lane but losing everywhere else. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11763 Posts
On November 25 2012 16:04 shinarit wrote: You know, this is a mentality i see more oftern now, and its troubling. I dont like it when people play without any interaction with the others. Why play a multiplayer game where you act like you are playing single? Ok, other people are better than any AI to play against, but still. I think it shouldnt be encouraged to unhumanize the game. That is not what i said. Part of solving the puzzle is interaction with others, of course. But when playing soloqueue for elo, you should obviously always try to win. And this means that you should try to win every game with the guys you get, which means that not only do you need to play good yourself, you also need to make your teammates play good, too. Thus, you need to solve a puzzle involving the 9 other players. Sometimes you get a good hand, sometimes it is quite bad. Your goal is to make the best out of any hand you get. As a result, all the responsibility is with you, instead of being shared between teammates. Which is obviously true, since your elo is yours alone, too. It is never the teammates fault if you lose, but yours because you did not handle the situation correctly. Sure, some hands are impossible to win, but that is not something you should blame your teammates for, either. It is your elo, thus you are to blame for not solving that particularly complicated puzzle you were given. | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On November 25 2012 16:37 travis wrote: did server just die? Still up for me, assuming you're NA. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9177 Posts
On November 25 2012 16:24 TheYango wrote: More or less what I expected so far. Royal keeping up bot lane but losing everywhere else. What do you think of Royal making it to the final and stepping on LGD & iG on the way? I only saw them in SWL before and was unimpressed. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 25 2012 16:40 Dan HH wrote: What do you think of Royal making it to the final and stepping on LGD & iG on the way? I only saw them in SWL before and was unimpressed. Royal at SWL didn't have Tabe yet, and getting the most experienced player in China as your captain has a huge effect on your overall play. Their top, mid, and jungles' fundamentals are very lacking at the moment. I'm not sure if there's much hope for Lucky since he wasn't that good on EHOME either but strong junglers are a rare commodity in China. Top and mid might improve with experience, we'll see. The highlight of Royal is their bot lane. Uzi is only 15, and is a very talented player--and I expect Tabe to give him the Chauster-to-Doublelift treatment. He's still a bit sloppy at times, but given a few months under Tabe's guidance, I expect Uzi to become a world-class AD. With regard to beating LGD and iG--LGD was more or less not a surprise since they're not a good team. The story of that game was basically Tabe+Uzi killing their bot lane at level 2 and just getting massively fed from repeatedly killing their bot lane over and over again. Against iG, Royal used some good lane-swaps/picks to nullify the weaker fundamentals of their solo laners and emphasize the strength of their duo lane. Their objective control, sense of gameflow, and teamfight execution was also just better than iG's, partly because of Tabe's command, but also partly because iG is fairly sloppy at those things anyway. They won't leverage those as easily against WE because WE is much better than iG in those areas. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9177 Posts
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Baffels
United States1486 Posts
Really must get more coverage of these events, 2 show matches with M5? Crazy awesome. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 25 2012 11:10 wei2coolman wrote: Or the current pro-scene usage. build no dmg, still 100-0 ad carry, tank every aoe imaginable. walks away. npnp. As much as I dislike how strong he is, he's one of the cooler champions that has been designed, I really like his passive mechanic, pretty awesome. He just has that "FUCK YEAH!" feel to it, when you get a kill. I'm only bringing this back up, because it is the opposite of good design. And it is also exactly what the QQ'ers I was talking about want. They want either: 1. Build only damage (so they can 100-0% a carry), but still get out alive even if not fed. OR 2. Build tanky (so they can get out alive), but still be able to 100-0% a carry, even if not fed. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
The problem is designing champs' whose sole purpose is to one-shot someone and don't bring enough other forms of teamfight control to make up for it. The "assassin" role is just generally poorly formulated because of this, because that's more or less all an assassin does. | ||
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Kavas
Australia3421 Posts
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Agnosthar
631 Posts
On November 25 2012 16:21 Kavas wrote: Bans: WE: Katarina, Orianna, Lee Sin Royal: TF, Cho Gath, Corki Picks: WE: Diana, Blitzcrank, Ezreal, Amumu, Olaf Royal: Zyra, Malphite, Nunu, Vayne, Maokai Does anyone have much experience of the Zyra v Diana mid lane matchup? I've picked Zyra into Diana a few times this season with success, but I can't tell if I'm just getting lucky or if the Diana is not playing the matchup correctly. Is either champion particularly favoured in the matchup? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 25 2012 17:40 Kavas wrote: Looks like still has no idea what to do when they're behind. Also, FP Katarina into getting countered by a billion CC is LOL. It's not so much not knowing what to do when they're behind more than 2 towers+Dragon by 10 minutes being a really massive advantage that's just hard to come back from. I think Royal out-smarted WE on the lane arrangements. I think WE expected them to 2v1 top and gave the blue to Irelia expecting her to use it to beat Shen. But instead, Shen went top and WE lost the 2 sidelanes. Giving blue to Ori level 1 was also very good, as WE's duo couldn't suppress Ori's development. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
He can still farm pretty good and you can't push towers early against somebody who clears the wave fast enough. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 25 2012 17:29 TheYango wrote: The problem is that its an inevitability of a champ that has weak CC and AoE teamfight power. If your only ostensible function is to one-shot somebody, either you can do it, and you have a suffocating presence against the people you can one-shot, or you can't and you're useless. The problem is designing champs' whose sole purpose is to one-shot someone and don't bring enough other forms of teamfight control to make up for it. The "assassin" role is just generally poorly formulated because of this, because that's more or less all an assassin does. Most "assassins" end up being popular for reasons other than their ability to gib someone for that reason. In fact, they stop being called assassins. Ahri, Diana, and Katarina are considered AP carries. Lee Sin, Irelia, and Xin Zhao are all bruisers. The champions who tend to keep the "assassin" label are those who fail to be good at anything else, like Akali or LeBlanc. | ||
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Kavas
Australia3421 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 25 2012 18:08 Chexx wrote: I still believe that 2vs1 a mid champion with a good potential on wave clearing is stupid. He can still farm pretty good and you can't push towers early against somebody who clears the wave fast enough. Practically speaking, very few mid heroes have that clearing potential pre-level 5. You can build an advantage before then, and then rotate back into more conventional lanes with an advantage when you can't suppress them further. | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On November 25 2012 18:23 TheYango wrote: Practically speaking, very few mid heroes have that clearing potential pre-level 5. You can build an advantage before then, and then rotate back into more conventional lanes with an advantage when you can't suppress them further. Viktor is the only one I can think of that would be able to clear that fast at all (safely, at least). Technically morgana, morde, cass, and maybe a few others could pull it off, but they would need to manipulate the wave in such a way that they would get harassed really hard. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9177 Posts
The interesting part is that iG and Royal now have B-teams as well. And DK has a LoL team which I had no idea of but I'm guessing it's pretty new. http://wangyou.pcgames.com.cn/zhuanti/lol/news/event/1211/2692539.html | ||
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