EPTI wasn't talking about builds. I was strictly talking arguing that it is possible for Lee Sin to carry.
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koreasilver
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I wasn't talking about builds. I was strictly talking arguing that it is possible for Lee Sin to carry. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On November 24 2012 05:47 Slayer91 wrote: Yeah I wouldn't ask wickd about irelia you're right wickd worst irelia gg | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On November 24 2012 05:46 Craton wrote: Irelia excels at lategame. You really shouldn't listen to Wickd for champ advice given his track record of extreme bias and poor logical connections. Zerker Irelia best Irelia | ||
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Even Zileas openly admitted that Irelia is a poorly designed champion. Her kit is so hard to balance because she does everything. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
riot pl0x | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On November 24 2012 06:04 obesechicken13 wrote: If AD are so good late game then whycome teams not run 4 AD carry with magic damage thrown in there? Checkmate. Atheists one. Bruisers 0. In a full build situation I think a bruiser that has gap closer will win against almost any non-bruiser. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On November 24 2012 06:04 obesechicken13 wrote: If AD are so good late game then whycome teams not run 4 AD carry with magic damage thrown in there? Checkmate. Atheists one. Bruisers 0. Because you will surrender at 20? | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 24 2012 06:06 Sufficiency wrote: In a full build situation I think a bruiser that has gap closer will win against almost any non-bruiser. Full build? No. ADCs like Vayne/Trist or even just ones with good mobility like Ez Corki Graves can selfpeel/kite long enough to neutralize your gapclosers and shred you down. But the ADCs in your hyperbole will never SEE late game. Realize that ADCs tend to have shit for base stats / base damage compared to bruisers, there's a reason you stick them with the support (and before you did this, you'd send them mid) - because they have relatively poor lane presence by themselves. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On November 24 2012 06:02 Sufficiency wrote: Even Zileas openly admitted that Irelia is a poorly designed champion. Her kit is so hard to balance because she does everything. You'll find me in the corner, trying to be all hipster about facking Anivia being godly at anything and everything, then you remember she has ratios too. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On November 24 2012 06:21 Alaric wrote: You'll find me in the corner, trying to be all hipster about facking Anivia being godly at anything and everything, then you remember she has ratios too. She has shit mobility. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 24 2012 06:31 HazMat wrote: Guys there's a reason Froggen is godlike Lee Sin and has such a poor winrate (53%). He's a pretty trash hero but I'll let you keep thinking otherwise. For froggen, elohell is everywhere that's why. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On November 24 2012 06:02 Sufficiency wrote: Even Zileas openly admitted that Irelia is a poorly designed champion. Her kit is so hard to balance because she does everything. Zileas admits a lot of things. I think this morning he admitted poppy's ult had no counterplay. While that may be true we still don't see Poppy wrecking face and even if they do remove poppy's ult. Even if they do buff her by lowering cooldowns and increasing damage. She'll just become another faceless bruiser. At the end of the day riot players are just like us. They use what they see in the game to decide what's broken and what's not. There's no reason to give more weight to their opinions. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
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Shiv.
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I was referencing Wings because he said Wings plays a lot of Lee. It's kind of ironic he brings him up because he said, as I stated, on multiple occasions that Lee's late isn't that strong. I mean, I get OutlaW, I love playing Lee top and he is just a great champ to have in a teamfight regardless of the stage of the game, because he's really useful once you get the hang of him. I guess we just define late game scaling differently, but that's okay. Sorry the debate got so out of hand. On November 24 2012 05:20 koreasilver wrote: ? ArP marks are still better if you're plsanning on trading a lot in lane, and many of the high level AD carries still run ArP marks depending on what champion they're planning and the match up. The irony would here would be how many, many posters have talked about how Chaox's argument for AD marks being better than ArP marks was flawed since the very beginnings of the popular switch to AD marks. You're trying to argue against an appeal to authority but the example you used is grounded by an implicit appeal to authority anyway. No, it was just worded poorly, sorry. I was trying to imply that people use AD reds now because pros started doing it, and everything else ''would be too scrubby'' according to some people, especially those who simply argue by quoting pro players. I am fully aware that ArP reds and AD reds have their ups and downs on and I don't care what people use because it's a matter of champion, your support, the enemy lane and personal preference. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On November 24 2012 06:31 HazMat wrote: Guys there's a reason Froggen is godlike Lee Sin and has such a poor winrate (53%). He's a pretty trash hero but I'll let you keep thinking otherwise. I mean literally EVERGAME Froggen plays on his stream Lee Sin mid, he has stats like 5/0, 7/2, 4/1 or stuff like that, but if the enemy stalls long enough, even Froggen can't make super lategame Lee Sin good. :x Maybe because he uses a shitbuild and doesn't go 6 tankitems with sunfire for dmg only so he can solo the enemy 5-6 item ad carry  | ||
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Slayer91
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