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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 22 2012 02:01 GMT
#3061
On November 22 2012 11:00 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 09:01 koreasilver wrote:
On November 22 2012 08:25 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
should i buy xinzhao or udyr jungle?!

i'm thinking xin because i'm a huge diamondprox stan

Diamondprox is even better on Udyr and he thinks that the most basic jungler to master is Udyr, then Lee Sin.


udyr just seems boring and i'm not really concerned with mastering a basic jungler, i just want someone fun haha

He's fun as shit tho. farm liek a boss get a bunch of kills and pimp slap their entire team
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 22 2012 02:03 GMT
#3062
On November 22 2012 10:47 OutlaW- wrote:
66% isn't modest
i think what you wanted to say modest score or something because its not really many games played

66% means you're still under your "true" elo. If you approach 50% you're closer to where you should be. If your winrate is under 50% then you are playing too high and your true elo is lower. Overall winrate doesn't say anything about how well you play, it just says that you're not playing where you should be. If you're 50% in 2400 it's not the same as being 50% at 1400.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 22 2012 02:04 GMT
#3063
On November 22 2012 11:01 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 11:00 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On November 22 2012 09:01 koreasilver wrote:
On November 22 2012 08:25 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
should i buy xinzhao or udyr jungle?!

i'm thinking xin because i'm a huge diamondprox stan

Diamondprox is even better on Udyr and he thinks that the most basic jungler to master is Udyr, then Lee Sin.


udyr just seems boring and i'm not really concerned with mastering a basic jungler, i just want someone fun haha

He's fun as shit tho. farm liek a boss get a bunch of kills and pimp slap their entire team


hm...interesting. i'll look into some builds and vods, thanks
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 02:11:18
November 22 2012 02:10 GMT
#3064
On November 22 2012 11:03 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 10:47 OutlaW- wrote:
66% isn't modest
i think what you wanted to say modest score or something because its not really many games played

66% means you're still under your "true" elo. If you approach 50% you're closer to where you should be. If your winrate is under 50% then you are playing too high and your true elo is lower. Overall winrate doesn't say anything about how well you play, it just says that you're not playing where you should be. If you're 50% in 2400 it's not the same as being 50% at 1400.

yes.. your point being?
it also depends how many games you play, in what kinda time span these games were played and outside distractions such as having a bad mood, etc.
whenever [people talk about what elo you belong i feel like these things dont get said enough. I could play 10 games, and get carried to 200 higer than I currently am and then slowly fall down over the next week again. But if I didn't play and only played enough to not decay, I could stay at that elo for a long time.

On November 22 2012 11:04 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 11:01 arb wrote:
On November 22 2012 11:00 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On November 22 2012 09:01 koreasilver wrote:
On November 22 2012 08:25 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
should i buy xinzhao or udyr jungle?!

i'm thinking xin because i'm a huge diamondprox stan

Diamondprox is even better on Udyr and he thinks that the most basic jungler to master is Udyr, then Lee Sin.


udyr just seems boring and i'm not really concerned with mastering a basic jungler, i just want someone fun haha

He's fun as shit tho. farm liek a boss get a bunch of kills and pimp slap their entire team


hm...interesting. i'll look into some builds and vods, thanks


check out the udyr thread here on TL and look for anything slayer91 says
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
November 22 2012 02:20 GMT
#3065
On November 22 2012 05:26 nojitosunrise wrote:
Riot API incoming

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=9439958#post9439958

I know I'm a few pages late but this is great news. Been messing around with LibOfLegends a bit for adding statistics tracking to LoLTool but it is pretty outdated and crashes on some of the functions. Might still see if I can get it working since it is open source but an official API would make things a ton easier.
Creator of LoLTool.
TheDeli
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France110 Posts
November 22 2012 02:21 GMT
#3066
On November 21 2012 05:37 Xacez wrote:
Spreadsheet for Jungle Clear Time for Season 3, courtesy of Redditor Algerian, associated thread.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av7-Troet17_dE9hMzdVV2JBQkkwakVRX0J2MEJoMlE

TheDeli aka Algerian here. Surprised the spreadsheet made it to TL @_@ I now need to watch over this thread as well (got my hands full T^T).

Alright, as far as Health left is concerned, I am on the process of doing it. Once I'm done with it, I'll do other junglers.

I also read that someone was talking about Shaco, a very volatile character by nature. His Wraith/Red/Blue lv3 route is killer, though. Needless to say he's going to have lots of fun.
Just do it.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 22 2012 02:24 GMT
#3067
On November 22 2012 11:21 TheDeli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 05:37 Xacez wrote:
Spreadsheet for Jungle Clear Time for Season 3, courtesy of Redditor Algerian, associated thread.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av7-Troet17_dE9hMzdVV2JBQkkwakVRX0J2MEJoMlE

TheDeli aka Algerian here. Surprised the spreadsheet made it to TL @_@ I now need to watch over this thread as well (got my hands full T^T).

Alright, as far as Health left is concerned, I am on the process of doing it. Once I'm done with it, I'll do other junglers.

I also read that someone was talking about Shaco, a very volatile character by nature. His Wraith/Red/Blue lv3 route is killer, though. Needless to say he's going to have lots of fun.

I don't have a PBE account, can you do a Volibear run? Hunter's Machete will synergize with with his passive's W AS bonus for fast clearing, and has a brilliant build path for him in Spirit of the Ancient Golem. Have you tested him?
It's your boy Guzma!
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 02:29:07
November 22 2012 02:28 GMT
#3068
I can tell the spreadsheet is wrong already because the guy did nunu jungle with gp10 quints. He also leveled e over w at lvl 2, and then put a second point into q. In case people didn't know, w is a higher dps increase than e at lvl 2. It will also get you invading faster. Give the nunu useful quints (as I see no other jungler had gp10 quints) and level the skills properly, you'll take a lot of time off his jungle.

But seriously don't play nunu he sucks. And he'll suck even more in the new jungle even more just like the spreadsheet says.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
November 22 2012 02:30 GMT
#3069
On November 22 2012 11:28 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I can tell the spreadsheet is wrong already because the guy did nunu jungle with gp10 quints. He also leveled e over w at lvl 2, and then put a second point into q. In case people didn't know, w is a higher dps increase than e at lvl 2. It will also get you invading faster. Give the nunu useful quints (as I see no other jungler had gp10 quints) and level the skills properly, you'll take a lot of time off his jungle.

But seriously don't play nunu he sucks. And he'll suck even more in the new jungle even more just like the spreadsheet says.

The Deli is they guy you're talking about and he posted two posts above you.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
TheDeli
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 02:37:46
November 22 2012 02:35 GMT
#3070
^

@ Arcbound: I did the Nunu clear with game-centric runes (thus why you see the GP10 quints - though you can replace them with MS quints given the ambient gold-per-10 increase). Also, Nunu doesn't really suck.
If I were clearly focused on Clear time (and that alone), I'd have gone QWW or maybe even WQW, with AD runes/masteries. Since it doesn't make much sense to take them on Nunu of all champs, I resorted to taking the most make-sense runes you'd find, courtesy of TheOddOne's Nunu among others.

@ Requizen: I will do it - but I really need to sleep now D: (I said I'd sleep one hour ago but now it's 3:35 AM).
Just do it.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 22 2012 02:37 GMT
#3071
On November 22 2012 11:35 TheDeli wrote:
^

@ Arcbound: I did the Nunu clear with game-centric runes (thus why you see the GP10 quints - though you can replace them with MS quints given the ambient gold-per-10 increase). Also, Nunu doesn't really suck.

@ Requizen: I will do it - but I really need to sleep now D: (I said I'd sleep one hour ago but now it's 3:35 AM).

Wait. If he's good, don't tell anyone but me. Volibear is kind of my thing, I want it to stay that way.
It's your boy Guzma!
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
November 22 2012 02:43 GMT
#3072
Mucking around w/Nunu on the PBE, the shift to having higher health on the main creeps in camp can be a little frustrating - you can't one-shot even the big wraith with L1 Consume, sadly.
OTOH tooling around w/46% spellvamp from Spirit of the (adjective) Wraith/WotA/runes was fairly amusing.
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
November 22 2012 03:14 GMT
#3073
Whats wrong with TheDeli using TheOddOne's guide for nunu on his graph?
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 22 2012 03:16 GMT
#3074
whyyyyyyyy must Lee Sin suck in s3 jungle. I'm already busy trying to not be useless 30 mins in, I don't need a shitty early game as well now.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 22 2012 03:19 GMT
#3075
On November 22 2012 12:16 HazMat wrote:
whyyyyyyyy must Lee Sin suck in s3 jungle. I'm already busy trying to not be useless 30 mins in, I don't need a shitty early game as well now.

why does he suck?
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 22 2012 03:21 GMT
#3076
On November 22 2012 12:19 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 12:16 HazMat wrote:
whyyyyyyyy must Lee Sin suck in s3 jungle. I'm already busy trying to not be useless 30 mins in, I don't need a shitty early game as well now.

why does he suck?

People are saying his jungle clear sucks.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 22 2012 03:23 GMT
#3077
On November 22 2012 12:19 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 12:16 HazMat wrote:
whyyyyyyyy must Lee Sin suck in s3 jungle. I'm already busy trying to not be useless 30 mins in, I don't need a shitty early game as well now.

why does he suck?

Slower, sustain isn't high enough, plus I don't like any of the Machete upgrades on him and you're mostly forced to start with it.
It's your boy Guzma!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 22 2012 03:23 GMT
#3078
On November 22 2012 12:21 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 12:19 OutlaW- wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:16 HazMat wrote:
whyyyyyyyy must Lee Sin suck in s3 jungle. I'm already busy trying to not be useless 30 mins in, I don't need a shitty early game as well now.

why does he suck?

People are saying his jungle clear sucks.

I'm sorry Shake, but GOOD.
FUCK LS and his early game.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 22 2012 03:23 GMT
#3079
On November 22 2012 12:21 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 12:19 OutlaW- wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:16 HazMat wrote:
whyyyyyyyy must Lee Sin suck in s3 jungle. I'm already busy trying to not be useless 30 mins in, I don't need a shitty early game as well now.

why does he suck?

People are saying his jungle clear sucks.


Doesn't he have mindless sustain and aoe waveclear that doubles as a ganking tool?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 03:24:33
November 22 2012 03:23 GMT
#3080
On November 22 2012 12:21 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 12:19 OutlaW- wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:16 HazMat wrote:
whyyyyyyyy must Lee Sin suck in s3 jungle. I'm already busy trying to not be useless 30 mins in, I don't need a shitty early game as well now.

why does he suck?

People are saying his jungle clear sucks.

Clear speeds suck, not viable to run boot 3 anymore because it adds about 30 seconds to your clear times. So overall you're slower in ganks making it harder to gank at lower levels because you'll be using the machete and lanes will probably have boots. The machete doesn't add anything to your ganking ability so its an incentive to farm more, something that leesin doesn't exceed very well at in season 3 jungles.
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