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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 22 2012 04:02 GMT
#3101
On November 22 2012 12:21 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 12:19 OutlaW- wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:16 HazMat wrote:
whyyyyyyyy must Lee Sin suck in s3 jungle. I'm already busy trying to not be useless 30 mins in, I don't need a shitty early game as well now.

why does he suck?

People are saying his jungle clear sucks.

I am happy. Because if he sucks in S3 jungle then my team won't force me to learn a champion I don't want to learn. Dude, it's like forced marriage or something. Do not want.
Hope that they buff Skarner in the next patch, that would be an epic win for me.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 22 2012 04:05 GMT
#3102
On November 22 2012 13:02 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 12:21 HazMat wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:19 OutlaW- wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:16 HazMat wrote:
whyyyyyyyy must Lee Sin suck in s3 jungle. I'm already busy trying to not be useless 30 mins in, I don't need a shitty early game as well now.

why does he suck?

People are saying his jungle clear sucks.

I am happy. Because if he sucks in S3 jungle then my team won't force me to learn a champion I don't want to learn. Dude, it's like forced marriage or something. Do not want.
Hope that they buff Skarner in the next patch, that would be an epic win for me.

Why in the hell would Skarner need buffs?
It's your boy Guzma!
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 04:12:20
November 22 2012 04:10 GMT
#3103
i think you need to read what he said again
scip can only play 2 champions and 1 of them is too weak atm
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 22 2012 04:15 GMT
#3104
Will jungle monsters still have 0 MR in S3? This part always bothers me.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 04:17:36
November 22 2012 04:17 GMT
#3105
Whoops
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 22 2012 04:20 GMT
#3106
On November 22 2012 13:01 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 12:29 HazMat wrote:
http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/IGN_ProLeague_Season_5

IPL5 groups up. CLG.na lucked out so hard. Wildcard into the easiest group in the tourney. God damnit Dig why did you lose, could have easily made it past group stages.

Group C is easier than group B. Iceland is at least good enough to take games from TPA.


TSM has the absolutely easiest group.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 22 2012 04:24 GMT
#3107
On November 22 2012 13:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 13:01 TheYango wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:29 HazMat wrote:
http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/IGN_ProLeague_Season_5

IPL5 groups up. CLG.na lucked out so hard. Wildcard into the easiest group in the tourney. God damnit Dig why did you lose, could have easily made it past group stages.

Group C is easier than group B. Iceland is at least good enough to take games from TPA.


TSM has the absolutely easiest group.

Curse.eu is on a roll. Did very well at Tales of the Lane and seem to slowly be putting themselves back in form after breaking down somewhat. SGS also took a game off TPA in the GPL finals (although I didn't watch the VoDs so no specifics here) and beat Saigon Jokers 2-0 in the semifinals. I don't think it'll be as easy as it first appears.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 04:25:29
November 22 2012 04:24 GMT
#3108
I dunno enough about the Asian scene to judge Iceland versus SGS but I think that Curse.eu is at least even to CLGeu in skill as of right now. Especially if they play as well as they did at TotL.

edit:
damn it moonbear
CLGna and TSM should advance imo but would not be shocked if they both failed out of groups.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 22 2012 04:25 GMT
#3109
On November 22 2012 13:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 13:01 TheYango wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:29 HazMat wrote:
http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/IGN_ProLeague_Season_5

IPL5 groups up. CLG.na lucked out so hard. Wildcard into the easiest group in the tourney. God damnit Dig why did you lose, could have easily made it past group stages.

Group C is easier than group B. Iceland is at least good enough to take games from TPA.


TSM has the absolutely easiest group.

Yeah, groups A and D seem much harder in comparison to B and C. I wonder if it was just random drawing. Can someone give me a quick overview of Blackbean and IceLanD, they are the only teams I really don't know much about.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 22 2012 04:31 GMT
#3110
I really hope fear and clgna make it out of group B, that would just make my fucking day
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 04:33:07
November 22 2012 04:31 GMT
#3111
On November 22 2012 13:05 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 13:02 Scip wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:21 HazMat wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:19 OutlaW- wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:16 HazMat wrote:
whyyyyyyyy must Lee Sin suck in s3 jungle. I'm already busy trying to not be useless 30 mins in, I don't need a shitty early game as well now.

why does he suck?

People are saying his jungle clear sucks.

I am happy. Because if he sucks in S3 jungle then my team won't force me to learn a champion I don't want to learn. Dude, it's like forced marriage or something. Do not want.
Hope that they buff Skarner in the next patch, that would be an epic win for me.

Why in the hell would Skarner need buffs?

Short answer would be, Amumu is generally stronger. Which is kinda fine, since he is my 2nd main, but it's not THAT fine, because other people pick him too.
The long answer would be, ever since he can't reliably initiate at all, he has been reduced to a generic bruiser with a speed buff but without a gapcloser. Which makes me sad panda.
Wait, clg.na and FEAR where? Because they aren't in the esl atm.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 22 2012 04:32 GMT
#3112
On November 22 2012 13:24 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 13:20 Sufficiency wrote:
On November 22 2012 13:01 TheYango wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:29 HazMat wrote:
http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/IGN_ProLeague_Season_5

IPL5 groups up. CLG.na lucked out so hard. Wildcard into the easiest group in the tourney. God damnit Dig why did you lose, could have easily made it past group stages.

Group C is easier than group B. Iceland is at least good enough to take games from TPA.


TSM has the absolutely easiest group.

Curse.eu is on a roll. Did very well at Tales of the Lane and seem to slowly be putting themselves back in form after breaking down somewhat. SGS also took a game off TPA in the GPL finals (although I didn't watch the VoDs so no specifics here) and beat Saigon Jokers 2-0 in the semifinals. I don't think it'll be as easy as it first appears.


I watched some of the TPA vs SGS games. It was basically a stomp. I would imagine SGS won one game out of some sort of cheese. SGS also got stomped by TSM at MLG, and I don't see them doing better right now.

I am not convinced Curse.eu can do any better. The team has been entirely unremarkable until they somehow won against M5 in a best of 3. Granted that is a pretty big achievement, but I wouldn't conclude from that alone that they will offer a challenge to TSM.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 22 2012 04:33 GMT
#3113
On November 22 2012 13:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 13:20 Sufficiency wrote:
On November 22 2012 13:01 TheYango wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:29 HazMat wrote:
http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/IGN_ProLeague_Season_5

IPL5 groups up. CLG.na lucked out so hard. Wildcard into the easiest group in the tourney. God damnit Dig why did you lose, could have easily made it past group stages.

Group C is easier than group B. Iceland is at least good enough to take games from TPA.


TSM has the absolutely easiest group.

Yeah, groups A and D seem much harder in comparison to B and C. I wonder if it was just random drawing. Can someone give me a quick overview of Blackbean and IceLanD, they are the only teams I really don't know much about.

Iceland is a Hong Kong team that has done very little outside of participating in local tournaments. I don't have anything to assess them from other than the fact that they have beaten TPA before. If they're as good as the old CrossGaming team was (the team that TPA got Bebe and Toyz from), they will be a decently strong team.

Blackbean is a Thai team whose only real claim to fame is beating Bangkok Titans locally. Given that Bangkok titans is 4-36 in GPL, that pretty much means nothing. If they're on the level of "slightly better than Bangkok Titans" its not a stretch to say they'd be the weakest team in the tournament.
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ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
November 22 2012 04:34 GMT
#3114
On November 22 2012 12:30 Craton wrote:
Don't count FeaR out so easily.
Hasn't CLG NA been beating FeaR around like a red headed stepchild for the last month and a bit? For awhile it seemed like whenever I watched some sort of qualifer or online tournament, CLG was beating on FeaR..
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 22 2012 04:35 GMT
#3115
btw, can someone make an IPL5 thread so we can discuss it there?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 22 2012 04:37 GMT
#3116
clg na has been beating everybody lately from what i've seen (i havent seen their scrims vs tsm because tsm dont want their scrims streamed but that doesnt mean much. people play offline completely differently from when they play offline and while fear are known to slump offline it still doesn't mean they're gonna lose
as i said i hope fear and clg na both make it through
scip we are talking about ipl 5 check the pages back for link
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 22 2012 04:38 GMT
#3117
Group-wise I'd say A and D are roughly equal (M5+TPA is stronger than Blaze+WE, but Blackbean+Crs.NA is weaker than Alternate+Dynamic), followed by group B, then group C being the easiest group.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 04:56:11
November 22 2012 04:55 GMT
#3118
On November 22 2012 13:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 12:35 HazMat wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:34 Sufficiency wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:26 HazMat wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:23 Sufficiency wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:21 HazMat wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:19 OutlaW- wrote:
On November 22 2012 12:16 HazMat wrote:
whyyyyyyyy must Lee Sin suck in s3 jungle. I'm already busy trying to not be useless 30 mins in, I don't need a shitty early game as well now.

why does he suck?

People are saying his jungle clear sucks.


Doesn't he have mindless sustain and aoe waveclear that doubles as a ganking tool?

Mindless sustain? Dam that 5 seconds of 5% lifesteal.


And a shield. And it costs no mana. And it doubles as an AS steroid. And for some reason his aoe clear doubles as a ganking tool.

And I am very bitter about that champion.

But his clear has been proven to be realllllllly bad S3 so can't complain. His early game jungle is his only strong point atm.


I have a feeling that it's still going to be way better than Maokai/Sejuani/Rammus/Nautilus.


Oddly enough, it isn't way better. In some cases it isn't even better.

Bear in mind optimization hasn't been done in new jungle yadda yadda boilerplate.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 05:00:13
November 22 2012 04:59 GMT
#3119
On November 22 2012 13:37 OutlaW- wrote:
fear are known to slump offline it still doesn't mean they're gonna lose


You can't say that they're known to slump offline when they've placed dead last at every LAN they've been to ever.

fuck, I'm tired, I thought you said they were known to slump online since you were just talking about CLGna's online performance not meaning anything. Anyways, I'd like to see Fear do well but I'm pretty sure they won't.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 22 2012 05:01 GMT
#3120
its 6 am my posts not very cohesive
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
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