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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:54 Requizen wrote: Wings playing solo top Spider, should be interesting. he played her a lot for the past 3 days runs mpen quints + reds and goes for pretty much arthelon's build which is 3x pen items into rylai it's incredibly good and i would go as far as to call it broken | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:47 Alaric wrote: This Scarra's game is so much fun, with his Nunu and Link's jungle Riven behind (fed Lee, Nunu can't stop Karthus' farm under tower) and they try their best to come back. Including (but not limited too) Tristana triple with jumps, Riven and Nunu trying desperately to run from Taric+Cho's cc at 300 hp each, Karthus powerless to run away from Nunu's R, amongst other stuff. Scarra running around at the fountain for a cumulative 3 minutes wondering what to buy was the best imo. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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scarper65
1560 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:59 OutlaW- wrote: he played her a lot for the past 3 days runs mpen quints + reds and goes for pretty much arthelon's build which is 3x pen items into rylai it's incredibly good and i would go as far as to call it broken What masteries does he use? | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
More precisely, you have to make a choice between tenacous (tenacity), juggernaut (%health bonus HP) and legendary armor (%additional armor/MR bonus). I'll probably try - 10-11-9 (ignite mastery/bonus AP/CDR/MPen in offense, bonus HP/MR/%slow reduc in defense, mp5/summoner's cdr/buff duration in utility) - 9-9-12 (same, remove ignite mastery and %sloc reduc to get bonus mana in utility) - or 9-0-21 (bonus AP/CDR/MPen in offense, flash mastery/bonus mp5/bonus mana/summoner's cdr/items cdr/buff duration/bonus exp/CDR/MS bonus in utility). 9-0-21 seems the better choice anyway. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
EHP is a function of armor/MR * HP. A % increase to either armor/MR or HP applies commutatively to your whole EHP value, and so % increased armor/MR and % increased HP are functionally identical--it's just that Legendary Armor is a smaller % per point. EDIT: Also, if "bonus armor/MR" means "armor/MR not gained from base value/level-ups" just like "bonus attack damage" does, that makes Legendary Armor even worse. | ||
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Agnosthar
631 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On November 21 2012 13:32 TheYango wrote: Legendary Armor is actually strictly worse than Juggernaut per point, unless you're interacting with % max HP damage. EHP is a function of armor/MR * HP. A % increase to either armor/MR or HP applies commutatively to your whole EHP value, and so % increased armor/MR and % increased HP are functionally identical--it's just that Legendary Armor is a smaller % per point. EDIT: Also, if "bonus armor/MR" means "armor/MR not gained from base value/level-ups" just like "bonus attack damage" does, that makes Legendary Armor even worse. It's worse than that -- Legendary Armor only applies to bonus armor/MR. EDIT: ninja edited | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
The jungle alternative skipped the champ damage reduction (all 3 points) to get reduced damage from monster, 6 damage returned (my take is that it would be better in S3 since the big minion has more HP, if you're a single target jungler the mastery will deal more damage overall if you focus him down first while the little minions hit you) and a "leftover" point in the tier2 masteries to get smite mastery. Going 21 in utility when jungling seemed like choosing between bonus exp/item cdr and bonus gp5/starting gold. Maybe biscuiteer and explorer are worth it though, and the lifeseal/spellvamp mastery. The 3% just seem so low I'm not sure it's worth it (esp. the spellvamp). I've been annoyed by the fact that I'll miss on cdr if I don't go deep in offense and still want butcher, with caster champs. I'm definitely abandoning the ignite mastery now, though. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On November 21 2012 13:33 Agnosthar wrote: First time watching WoD stream. Why haven't I been watching this more!? He gives way more insight than I've come to expect from watching streams. Plus he has a really clear voice unlike so many of the american players. he gives even more insight than scarra but beware hes still just a soloq guy who tends to look for the mistakes of his teammates instead of his when both parties make a mistake i dont think ive ever heard him say that was just bad, my fault, i played that so badly im sorry team | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's not the same watching someone stream, because the fact that they're playing at the same time limits the amount of analysis they can do, and colors their perspective. Casting over FPVOD or replay after the fact allows a much deeper analysis, and a very different level of insight. I'm not going to hold my breath for it though, because streaming appeals to a much wider audience and probably generates more money. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
ill get around to it some day, the problem is that its time consuming as fuck | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 21 2012 13:44 TheYango wrote: Personally I'm still waiting on someone to produce LoL content in the format of Day9's Dailies or 2009's DotA videos. It's not the same watching someone stream, because the fact that they're playing at the same time limits the amount of analysis they can do, and colors their perspective. Casting over FPVOD or replay after the fact allows a much deeper analysis, and a very different level of insight. I'm not going to hold my breath for it though, because streaming appeals to a much wider audience and probably generates more money. Hell, I'd do it if I wasn't fucking horrible at the game, just to kill time and feel productive. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
I can only think of one reasonable 21-allocation in defense that takes legendary armor, and I'm pretty sure no one will actually go this route. And it doesn't take all 4 points. To be fair, juggernaut's scaling is not the expected 1.5/3/4.5% but rather 1.5/2.75/4% for some reason. But it is pretty much strictly better than legendary armor (except it's worse against %hp damage, and better against true damage) [hopefully this isn't the mastery calculator being weird - it's got a couple bugs] | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On November 21 2012 13:33 Agnosthar wrote: First time watching WoD stream. Why haven't I been watching this more!? He gives way more insight than I've come to expect from watching streams. Plus he has a really clear voice unlike so many of the american players. I just watched him for the first time also O_O Pretty cool  | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On November 21 2012 13:44 TheYango wrote: Personally I'm still waiting on someone to produce LoL content in the format of Day9's Dailies or 2009's DotA videos. It's not the same watching someone stream, because the fact that they're playing at the same time limits the amount of analysis they can do, and colors their perspective. Casting over FPVOD or replay after the fact allows a much deeper analysis, and a very different level of insight. I'm not going to hold my breath for it though, because streaming appeals to a much wider audience and probably generates more money. I don't know if that's true. The dailies were quite popular. No reason why the same thing shouldn't work in LoL. And Iirc someone strarted doing episodes of "the mechanic" that hit front page on reddit. On November 21 2012 12:55 Seuss wrote: Fun fact about jungling on the PBE: Wards that are visible and closer to creeps than you will be attacked. Yeah. Stonewall has a pro guide to jungle syndra abusing this trick. It's in the sfw videos thread. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 21 2012 13:33 Agnosthar wrote: First time watching WoD stream. Why haven't I been watching this more!? He gives way more insight than I've come to expect from watching streams. Plus he has a really clear voice unlike so many of the american players. too bad today is him bitching about how he's losing every game he's not playing kayle. but generally he's a much better streamer. It's super fun watching do the "plays" though, it's pretty fucking awesome. On November 21 2012 13:44 TheYango wrote: Personally I'm still waiting on someone to produce LoL content in the format of Day9's Dailies or 2009's DotA videos. It's not the same watching someone stream, because the fact that they're playing at the same time limits the amount of analysis they can do, and colors their perspective. Casting over FPVOD or replay after the fact allows a much deeper analysis, and a very different level of insight. I'm not going to hold my breath for it though, because streaming appeals to a much wider audience and probably generates more money. if anyone should do it, it's probably you. | ||
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