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OK well, Athene's may not need a nerf, depending on how the new Archangel's Staff will be (sorry I forgot about it).
A while ago there was a problem that even Karthus builds DFG (pre DFG nerf). Now the problem is that every mana-hungry AP mid builds Athene's (even Karthus and Cassiopeia who do not need the CDR), because Tear of the Goddess is a far weaker item option compared to Chalice of Harmony.
In terms of solving the mana problem, Tear is definitely better than Chalice. But Chalice also provides MR and it builds into Athene's which provides even more MR and a whole bunch of other bonuses. Archangel's Staff is more of a glasscannon item that isn't even that great. I feel that Chalice is definitely not ideal on Karthus and Cassiopeia who can easily build Tear stacks, but Archangel's is so weak compared to Athene's that most players are opting to build Chalice.
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On November 13 2012 15:55 BlackPaladin wrote:
Zed champion spotlight out...but this isn't supposed to be the zed patch? lol wtf riot.
A red was quoted as saying Zed will be available in 24 hours.
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Please, someone say "who's zed?".
Noone?
Fuck it, I'm going to bed
+ Show Spoiler +Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead
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On November 13 2012 16:01 Sufficiency wrote:
OK well, Athene's may not need a nerf, depending on how the new Archangel's Staff will be (sorry I forgot about it).
A while ago there was a problem that even Karthus builds DFG (pre DFG nerf). Now the problem is that every mana-hungry AP mid builds Athene's (even Karthus and Cassiopeia who do not need the CDR), because Tear of the Goddess is a far weaker item option compared to Chalice of Harmony.
In terms of solving the mana problem, Tear is definitely better than Chalice. But Chalice also provides MR and it builds into Athene's which provides even more MR and a whole bunch of other bonuses. Archangel's Staff is more of a glasscannon item that isn't even that great. I feel that Chalice is definitely not ideal on Karthus and Cassiopeia who can easily build Tear stacks, but Archangel's is so weak compared to Athene's that most players are opting to build Chalice.
Archangels is actually quite a bit stronger(~NLR) than athene's for an endgame build including RoA(having both is awesome though), but the problem with that is the difference between a 600AP mage and a 700 AP mage isn't as extreme at that point in time, and with the current meta of more aggressive play, trading a much, much weaker early game for lategame power isn't that viable. I still do it from time to time on anivia, but only for farm lanes with a relatively weak mid & jungle.
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On November 13 2012 16:16 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 16:01 Sufficiency wrote:
OK well, Athene's may not need a nerf, depending on how the new Archangel's Staff will be (sorry I forgot about it).
A while ago there was a problem that even Karthus builds DFG (pre DFG nerf). Now the problem is that every mana-hungry AP mid builds Athene's (even Karthus and Cassiopeia who do not need the CDR), because Tear of the Goddess is a far weaker item option compared to Chalice of Harmony.
In terms of solving the mana problem, Tear is definitely better than Chalice. But Chalice also provides MR and it builds into Athene's which provides even more MR and a whole bunch of other bonuses. Archangel's Staff is more of a glasscannon item that isn't even that great. I feel that Chalice is definitely not ideal on Karthus and Cassiopeia who can easily build Tear stacks, but Archangel's is so weak compared to Athene's that most players are opting to build Chalice. Archangels is actually quite a bit stronger(~NLR) than athene's for an endgame build including RoA(having both is awesome though), but the problem with that is the difference between a 600AP mage and a 700 AP mage isn't as extreme at that point in time, and with the current meta of more aggressive play, trading a much, much weaker early game for lategame power isn't that viable. I still do it from time to time on anivia, but only for farm lanes with a relatively weak mid & jungle.
Right. But the new active on Archangel's Staff might make it a better option for mana, especially on champions who spam a lot and do not rely heavily on CDR. We will see.
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On November 13 2012 16:07 Dgiese wrote:Please, someone say "who's zed?". Noone? Fuck it, I'm going to bed + Show Spoiler +Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead
Lord Zedd of Mighty morphin power rangers
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Man, just watched the first game of OGN Winter rebroadcast, such an amazing game, now I feel really bad to miss all the OGN Winter games  .
Gotta catch them all from now on!
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On November 13 2012 16:29 volcryn wrote:Lord Zedd of Mighty morphin power rangers They were actually refering to a popular Electronic Dance Music artist called Zeds Dead.
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On November 13 2012 16:39 ChaoSbringer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 16:29 volcryn wrote:On November 13 2012 16:07 Dgiese wrote:Please, someone say "who's zed?". Noone? Fuck it, I'm going to bed + Show Spoiler +Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead Lord Zedd of Mighty morphin power rangers They were actually refering to a popular Electronic Dance Music artist called Zeds Dead.
Meh, Power Rangers reference is much better anyway.
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On November 13 2012 16:01 Sufficiency wrote:
OK well, Athene's may not need a nerf, depending on how the new Archangel's Staff will be (sorry I forgot about it).
A while ago there was a problem that even Karthus builds DFG (pre DFG nerf). Now the problem is that every mana-hungry AP mid builds Athene's (even Karthus and Cassiopeia who do not need the CDR), because Tear of the Goddess is a far weaker item option compared to Chalice of Harmony.
In terms of solving the mana problem, Tear is definitely better than Chalice. But Chalice also provides MR and it builds into Athene's which provides even more MR and a whole bunch of other bonuses. Archangel's Staff is more of a glasscannon item that isn't even that great. I feel that Chalice is definitely not ideal on Karthus and Cassiopeia who can easily build Tear stacks, but Archangel's is so weak compared to Athene's that most players are opting to build Chalice.
Tear is also only gonna cost 700 so the money you spend on chalice can be used on tear, a few pots, and a ward.
I'm just annoyed that every time people find new build paths in this game Riot feels the need to step in and remove them.
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On November 13 2012 16:39 ChaoSbringer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 16:29 volcryn wrote:On November 13 2012 16:07 Dgiese wrote:Please, someone say "who's zed?". Noone? Fuck it, I'm going to bed + Show Spoiler +Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead Lord Zedd of Mighty morphin power rangers They were actually refering to a popular Electronic Dance Music artist called Zeds Dead.
I thought it was something to do with borderlands.
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On flash, I agree that its great for clutch plays and helping keep lanes aggressive and interesting. But I really hate flash ults.
Particularly on someone like wukong or amumu, where they go 'flash, gap-closer, game-ending ult'. It's just no fun at all.
Maybe they could make flash put your ultimate on cooldown for 3 seconds, to give some chance to react.
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On November 13 2012 16:51 Bwaaaa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 16:39 ChaoSbringer wrote:On November 13 2012 16:29 volcryn wrote:On November 13 2012 16:07 Dgiese wrote:Please, someone say "who's zed?". Noone? Fuck it, I'm going to bed + Show Spoiler +Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead Lord Zedd of Mighty morphin power rangers They were actually refering to a popular Electronic Dance Music artist called Zeds Dead. I thought it was something to do with borderlands.
No, it's a reference to the movie pulp fiction.
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On November 13 2012 16:40 NEOtheONE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 16:39 ChaoSbringer wrote:On November 13 2012 16:29 volcryn wrote:On November 13 2012 16:07 Dgiese wrote:Please, someone say "who's zed?". Noone? Fuck it, I'm going to bed + Show Spoiler +Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead Lord Zedd of Mighty morphin power rangers They were actually refering to a popular Electronic Dance Music artist called Zeds Dead. Meh, Power Rangers reference is much better anyway.
It's a Pulp Fiction reference. Zed is the name of the rapist in the pawn shop.
Way to ruin a cool looking champion Riot by giving him the same name as one of the most detestable characters in modern cinema...
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On November 13 2012 16:01 Sufficiency wrote:
OK well, Athene's may not need a nerf, depending on how the new Archangel's Staff will be (sorry I forgot about it).
A while ago there was a problem that even Karthus builds DFG (pre DFG nerf). Now the problem is that every mana-hungry AP mid builds Athene's (even Karthus and Cassiopeia who do not need the CDR), because Tear of the Goddess is a far weaker item option compared to Chalice of Harmony.
In terms of solving the mana problem, Tear is definitely better than Chalice. But Chalice also provides MR and it builds into Athene's which provides even more MR and a whole bunch of other bonuses. Archangel's Staff is more of a glasscannon item that isn't even that great. I feel that Chalice is definitely not ideal on Karthus and Cassiopeia who can easily build Tear stacks, but Archangel's is so weak compared to Athene's that most players are opting to build Chalice.
Well the main issue is that prior to the dfg usability buff and the existence of athene's mages just built pure AP since CDR was so difficult to itemize for. Once DFG got buffed (to the point of being OP), it was king because it gave both CDR and straight out damage, both something that mages love. Now that it's been nerfed and athene's has been introduced, the trend has been towards more sustained damage via getting 39% CDR with blue buff rather than burst damage that comes from dcap/DFG first.
I don't think athene's is overpowered, it's the safest laning item for any AP mage at the moment besides RoA but is more applicable to a larger set of mages than RoA is.
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On November 13 2012 17:15 BADBADNOTGOOD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 16:40 NEOtheONE wrote:On November 13 2012 16:39 ChaoSbringer wrote:On November 13 2012 16:29 volcryn wrote:On November 13 2012 16:07 Dgiese wrote:Please, someone say "who's zed?". Noone? Fuck it, I'm going to bed + Show Spoiler +Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead Lord Zedd of Mighty morphin power rangers They were actually refering to a popular Electronic Dance Music artist called Zeds Dead. Meh, Power Rangers reference is much better anyway. It's a Pulp Fiction reference. Zed is the name of the rapist in the pawn shop. Way to ruin a cool looking champion Riot by giving him the same name as one of the most detestable characters in modern cinema...
Just imagine how satisfying you'll feel saying
ZED'S DEAD BABY, BARON TIME
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The name is fine, Americans just pissed he's not named Zee.
I'll have to bind "/all Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead." to a macro button for easy access. It needs to be said...every time.
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On November 13 2012 17:15 BADBADNOTGOOD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 16:40 NEOtheONE wrote:On November 13 2012 16:39 ChaoSbringer wrote:On November 13 2012 16:29 volcryn wrote:On November 13 2012 16:07 Dgiese wrote:Please, someone say "who's zed?". Noone? Fuck it, I'm going to bed + Show Spoiler +Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead Lord Zedd of Mighty morphin power rangers They were actually refering to a popular Electronic Dance Music artist called Zeds Dead. Meh, Power Rangers reference is much better anyway. It's a Pulp Fiction reference. Zed is the name of the rapist in the pawn shop. Way to ruin a cool looking champion Riot by giving him the same name as one of the most detestable characters in modern cinema...
And to make it worse, looked like Matthew McConaghey
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On November 13 2012 17:45 Cuddle wrote:
The name is fine, Americans just pissed he's not named Zee.
I'll have to bind "/all Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead." to a macro button for easy access. It needs to be said...every time.
really you should just be saying "Whose motorcycle is this?" and see where things go from there
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My sister just yesterday got a new boyfriend named Zed, kinda confusing all for me ;p but that on a sidenote, my question is does anyone have an idea when EUwest might come up again?
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