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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 20:05:01
October 25 2012 20:04 GMT
#581
Debating getting Lord Mord while on sale or sticking with original skin since it's already so bad ass to begin with
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 20:05:30
October 25 2012 20:05 GMT
#582
On October 26 2012 05:04 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 05:00 TheYango wrote:
On October 26 2012 04:55 Ketara wrote:
The issue is not is Morello's great, but at this point if you want CDR on an AP char, your choices are either Morello's or Athenes. Or Nashor's Tooth I guess.

If the champion doesn't need mana, suddenly Morello's is the best choice for CDR.

So the question is what's giving you more overall damage, the active on DFG or the 20% CDR on Morello's?

And if somebody says yeah but I'm running Ignite so there's no point, you don't HAVE to run Ignite. You could run Exhaust, or something crazy like Teleport. I really like taking Teleport on mids.

Why is it set in stone that you have to get your CDR from an item that also grants AP?

The lack of other CDR+AP options doesn't magically make Morello's on manaless champs more cost-effective.


What would you get that's more cost effective? Shurelya's? Soul Shroud? Frozen Heart?

The first has a lot of mana regen on it, the second only gives 10% CDR, and the third is likely already being picked up by the top or the jungler and also has a lot of mana on it.

Spirit Visage, CDR Boots, Blue Elixirs.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 25 2012 20:05 GMT
#583
On October 26 2012 04:21 thenexusp wrote:
Phreak never said they're not touching crit or anything else. All he said was that they're changing the way Arpen is calculated and that doesn't exclude other numbers changes on other items or masteries at all.


The reason that TheYango, myself, and a few others are making such a big deal out of this isn't because we are oblivious to the context in which this change is taking place. We understand that items and masteries will be changing, and that it's naive to assume Riot will allow Xerath to deal true damage to any champion with less than 150 MR. What has us concerned is the extensive scope of this change, the mathematical hazard this presented in the past, and the seemingly narrow focus of Riot's intent.

In short, this is the balance equivalent of replacing your car door to fix a small dent. It may work, but it's a much more complicated, time consuming, and expensive solution than should ultimately be necessary.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 25 2012 20:07 GMT
#584
As long as fiora becomes more viable with jungle change, and dis apen change, I'll be happy.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 25 2012 20:09 GMT
#585
On October 26 2012 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
As long as fiora becomes more viable with jungle change, and dis apen change, I'll be happy.

The problem with Fiora is that she has the farm demand of a 1st or 2nd position hero in a game where it's pretty much set in stone that your 1st and 2nd position hero are your ranged AD and AP carry.

It's possible that she doesn't need any help at all if people could find a way to make melee 1st/2nd position heroes work.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 20:10:07
October 25 2012 20:09 GMT
#586
On October 26 2012 05:00 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 04:55 Ketara wrote:
The issue is not is Morello's great, but at this point if you want CDR on an AP char, your choices are either Morello's or Athenes. Or Nashor's Tooth I guess.

If the champion doesn't need mana, suddenly Morello's is the best choice for CDR.

So the question is what's giving you more overall damage, the active on DFG or the 20% CDR on Morello's?

And if somebody says yeah but I'm running Ignite so there's no point, you don't HAVE to run Ignite. You could run Exhaust, or something crazy like Teleport. I really like taking Teleport on mids.

Why is it set in stone that you have to get your CDR from an item that also grants AP?

The lack of other CDR+AP options doesn't magically make Morello's on manaless champs more cost-effective.


Well, most AP champions want AP on every item they buy. The only other way to get CdR is something like shurelyas or FH, which is not something people would buy on an AP champ. Though one could start thinking about CDR boots on APs, that might actually make sense.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 25 2012 20:12 GMT
#587
On October 26 2012 05:09 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
As long as fiora becomes more viable with jungle change, and dis apen change, I'll be happy.

The problem with Fiora is that she has the farm demand of a 1st or 2nd position hero in a game where it's pretty much set in stone that your 1st and 2nd position hero are your ranged AD and AP carry.

It's possible that she doesn't need any help at all if people could find a way to make melee 1st/2nd position heroes work.

It's just current meta right now, before top use to be #1 farm priority not to long ago. I could see farm dependent junglers becoming more viable in these changes, especially in earl game, where early map presence is weak from midlane, but jungler map presence is always there, even pre-6. Of course i'm ridic bias, because fiora es numero uno.
Fiora top lane might be pretty strong soon too, they're nerfing sustain some more as well.
liftlift > tsm
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
October 25 2012 20:12 GMT
#588
On October 26 2012 04:39 Doctorbeat wrote:


Inb4 Locolift slashfic.


"This is the master...bation room."

Loco: "This is where I'll be streaming."

Loololol, I died laughing.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
October 25 2012 20:12 GMT
#589
ARRGGGHHH i hate how the patch is downloaded but they just haven't released the skins yet

need maokai and fiora skins nowwwwwwww
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 25 2012 20:13 GMT
#590
omg this patch so big :o
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 20:25:33
October 25 2012 20:13 GMT
#591
So on friend's list, they only show highest elo now, not current.

Pretty stupid

Edit: after experiementing with Durr, we've determined that if you're diamond, it shows current elo. Otherwise not.

So if you're not top tier, you're just in a mish mash of people. Stupid.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 25 2012 20:16 GMT
#592
On October 26 2012 05:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So on friend's list, they only show highest elo now, not current.

Pretty stupid

Riot finally understanding how important how our e-penis is to our selfesteem
liftlift > tsm
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
October 25 2012 20:26 GMT
#593
On October 26 2012 05:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So on friend's list, they only show highest elo now, not current.

Pretty stupid

Edit: after experiementing with Durr, we've determined that if you're diamond, it shows current elo. Otherwise not.

So if you're not top tier, you're just in a mish mash of people. Stupid.


Just like SC2 with W/L ratio
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 25 2012 20:27 GMT
#594
Ok. I have two questions:

1. What the heck does one do as Ryze in a Ryze v. Malphite mid matchup. He got ganks at 2, 4, at 2 I lived, 4 we went 1-for 1, but then after that he was just unmovable in lane.

2. Half the time Morgana and Kat, my two main mids, are banned at my ELO, who should I pick up?

Freeeeeeedom
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 25 2012 20:28 GMT
#595
On October 26 2012 05:12 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 04:39 Doctorbeat wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9rrC16Nr8U&feature=g-u-u

Inb4 Locolift slashfic.


"This is the master...bation room."

Loco: "This is where I'll be streaming."

Loololol, I died laughing.


See even loco jokes about it still. He knows it was funny. He has an actual personality, unlike some people....

I found it hilariois when loco walks in then beckha goes to walk out and rams right into the white board lolol. Best girl NA.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11933 Posts
October 25 2012 20:29 GMT
#596
Learn another one? I'd suggest Ori, i don't think she got really bad matchups.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
October 25 2012 20:38 GMT
#597
On October 26 2012 05:27 cLutZ wrote:
Ok. I have two questions:

1. What the heck does one do as Ryze in a Ryze v. Malphite mid matchup. He got ganks at 2, 4, at 2 I lived, 4 we went 1-for 1, but then after that he was just unmovable in lane.

2. Half the time Morgana and Kat, my two main mids, are banned at my ELO, who should I pick up?


Ori is solid, but hard. I guess that in Ryze vs Malphite, you can win the lane by a) not getting instadunked b) not running out of mana. I haven't played the matchup, but if you really struggle with it maybe chalice into ruby crystal into tear might be good. You better dunk his ass after though.
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-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
October 25 2012 20:39 GMT
#598
CLG's mansion is actually gigantic. omg
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
October 25 2012 20:43 GMT
#599
I see another TLer playing Treeline Draven!
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
October 25 2012 20:44 GMT
#600
i got really good responses the other time so i'll try again

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will trade cuddles and love

ONTOPIC:

has anyone else caught on to the fact that degenerate champs/playstyles exist in LoL and are an easy way to gain Elo for absolutely little skill investment?
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