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And he goes to act like he's afk (random pick) because he doesn't want to have to dodge a game where he doesn't like the picks. Nice start. 
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On November 11 2012 15:44 Alaric wrote:And he goes to act like he's afk (random pick) because he doesn't want to have to dodge a game where he doesn't like the picks. Nice start.
Yea pretty bad start lol. His expression was so happy when he got Corki though. Then saw the EZ was meh. He saved face though and dodged.
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On November 11 2012 15:38 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 15:30 Sufficiency wrote:On November 11 2012 14:43 Irave wrote:
I now understand why Loco maxes glitterlance first on Lulu. Secured myself a triple kill with her because of it. This whole time I thought the taking kills was bad as a support. Go CLG! Maxing Q is the standard skill order anyway. I scream when I see a Lulu maxing E first. It's not the right way to play. I'm fairly new with her. I typically go r,w,q,e. Get the longer poly/slow then a more gentle followup glitterlance. New favorite stream. King Neilyo, 1900 play good commentary http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php?s=2786
I think people originally thought she should be played like Janna in lane and max E first (even Xpecial's largely outdated guide suggests maxing E first); but I think it's pretty certain right now that she should go Q E Q W Q R Q then R > Q > E > W. Her laning phase is about poking (similar to Sona), and her late game teamfight is about kiting (similar to Janna). With maximized CDR, Lulu's Q slow is absolutely obnoxious (4.2 seconds CD, 2 seconds AOE slow).
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On November 11 2012 15:44 Alaric wrote:And he goes to act like he's afk (random pick) because he doesn't want to have to dodge a game where he doesn't like the picks. Nice start.
I assume it's the same Neilyo from WoW back in the day. Loved his arena videos and he was the god of rogues during his prime who everyone worshipped.
But ya acing like hes afk in champ select to force dodges? Total jackass move and I probably won't watch because of that.
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On November 11 2012 16:22 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 15:44 Alaric wrote:And he goes to act like he's afk (random pick) because he doesn't want to have to dodge a game where he doesn't like the picks. Nice start. I assume it's the same Neilyo from WoW back in the day. Loved his arena videos and he was the god of rogues during his prime who everyone worshipped. But ya acing like hes afk in champ select to force dodges? Total jackass move and I probably won't watch because of that.
its not a jackass move, its a human move. let me break your bubble; streamers are human and if they arent acting like one its just for show
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Wow, I had no idea Neilyo was playing LoL :O Huge fan of his rogue play, he really was on a different level for a while. Guess I got a new stream to follow ;D
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On November 11 2012 15:05 petered wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 12:32 UniversalSnip wrote:On November 11 2012 09:57 petered wrote:On November 11 2012 09:37 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't think we should have guides in the OP anyway. Nobody cares about updating them and they're typically pretty shitty, especially if the thread was made when the champion was new. We don't have that many people who are really good and I don't want guides written by mediocre/awful players to be the kind of content we give prominence on the subforum.
If you read the threads people are always coming in and posting mini-guides anyway, when I pop into a champ thread those are what I look at unless the thread is both recently updated and written by one of very few people. This may work for you, but Neo has specifically stated his desire to see the LoL subforum grow. Anyone who is newer and looking for a champ guide isn't going to be able to sift through old pages to find guides, they will just look to the OP. I see what you mean, though. I don't think they need to be amazing productions, but a lot of the older guides really don't make much sense given how much the game has changed. I won't sugercoat this. As unfortunate as it is to inconvenience new readers, this isn't going to be a credible source of information if the guides suck dick. It's going to look to intermediate players like we endorse any old crap as long as our community produced it, mostly because that is exactly what we'd be doing. The new players will want quantity over quality because they can't distinguish bad advice from good, so you're not exactly doing us favors arguing for a structure that caters to them. It's not a soluble problem, there just are not enough good players who want to spend their time on this stuff here. If our community doesn't produce enough article format content to cover every champion people want to talk about, fine, let's not pretend it does. Let me give you an example. When I first started playing I liked to play shen, so I looked at the giant list of guide links in the OP of the lol megathread and found the player written guide for shen. The guide was, basically, "build leviathan, find people, kill them, when you are 20 stacks solo their nexus." However, unbeknownst to me, leviathan had been nerfed from broken to it's current garbage state since the guide was written so I would buy leviathan, get nothing done, feed and be like "man I suck." When I figured out what was up I was like "oh lol. guess that post was old." If it had been presented to me as Team Liquid's Recommendation for What You Should Build on Shen I would have said "these guides are fucking awful. I guess these guys aren't so good after all." Likewise if the guide had been updated, but I figured out it was bad. Is it really that much work to have an OP with an up to date solid mastery, runes, and core build suggestion? I mean, not every thread has to be a post from a 2K player with a dissertation on how to play the champion. We should either update the guides with good information or simply delete the old guide. It does nobody any good to have the mass of out of date guides that we currently do. Your example only supports what I am saying. We should have good information or nothing at all, then you would never have been tricked into building leviathan. Since others have found worth in having guides, I am leaning towards actually trying to update them with just basics. If it is too much work though at least lets delete out the old ones.
Guides tend to be like volcanoes. They are dormant for long periods of time and then suddenly experience violent upheaval. In the intervening time player interests and obligations change. Even though all that is required might be something simple, the responsibility of maintaining a guide for what may be years is more than most people can reasonably handle.
Case in point, most of the current champion threads were spawned a year and a half ago when Neo made a big push for better champion guides. The vast majority of them are no longer maintained, not because the players making them were irresponsible but because a year and a half is a long time. Many of those players simply don't play LoL any more.
If this forum had roughly ten times its current population we might be able to maintain a healthy assortment of guides. As it stands we simply don't have the resources.
On November 11 2012 15:10 Craton wrote:
I dunno, it seems to me that if you're looking at an old thread the first thing you should do is check when it was last updated.
You're severely overestimating the average guide-seeker. For every person who checks and sees that a guide/thread is old, there are 10 who don't and wonder where the heck Sword of the Divine is in the shop.
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On November 11 2012 16:56 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 15:05 petered wrote:On November 11 2012 12:32 UniversalSnip wrote:On November 11 2012 09:57 petered wrote:On November 11 2012 09:37 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't think we should have guides in the OP anyway. Nobody cares about updating them and they're typically pretty shitty, especially if the thread was made when the champion was new. We don't have that many people who are really good and I don't want guides written by mediocre/awful players to be the kind of content we give prominence on the subforum.
If you read the threads people are always coming in and posting mini-guides anyway, when I pop into a champ thread those are what I look at unless the thread is both recently updated and written by one of very few people. This may work for you, but Neo has specifically stated his desire to see the LoL subforum grow. Anyone who is newer and looking for a champ guide isn't going to be able to sift through old pages to find guides, they will just look to the OP. I see what you mean, though. I don't think they need to be amazing productions, but a lot of the older guides really don't make much sense given how much the game has changed. I won't sugercoat this. As unfortunate as it is to inconvenience new readers, this isn't going to be a credible source of information if the guides suck dick. It's going to look to intermediate players like we endorse any old crap as long as our community produced it, mostly because that is exactly what we'd be doing. The new players will want quantity over quality because they can't distinguish bad advice from good, so you're not exactly doing us favors arguing for a structure that caters to them. It's not a soluble problem, there just are not enough good players who want to spend their time on this stuff here. If our community doesn't produce enough article format content to cover every champion people want to talk about, fine, let's not pretend it does. Let me give you an example. When I first started playing I liked to play shen, so I looked at the giant list of guide links in the OP of the lol megathread and found the player written guide for shen. The guide was, basically, "build leviathan, find people, kill them, when you are 20 stacks solo their nexus." However, unbeknownst to me, leviathan had been nerfed from broken to it's current garbage state since the guide was written so I would buy leviathan, get nothing done, feed and be like "man I suck." When I figured out what was up I was like "oh lol. guess that post was old." If it had been presented to me as Team Liquid's Recommendation for What You Should Build on Shen I would have said "these guides are fucking awful. I guess these guys aren't so good after all." Likewise if the guide had been updated, but I figured out it was bad. Is it really that much work to have an OP with an up to date solid mastery, runes, and core build suggestion? I mean, not every thread has to be a post from a 2K player with a dissertation on how to play the champion. We should either update the guides with good information or simply delete the old guide. It does nobody any good to have the mass of out of date guides that we currently do. Your example only supports what I am saying. We should have good information or nothing at all, then you would never have been tricked into building leviathan. Since others have found worth in having guides, I am leaning towards actually trying to update them with just basics. If it is too much work though at least lets delete out the old ones. Guides tend to be like volcanoes. They are dormant for long periods of time and then suddenly experience violent upheaval. In the intervening time player interests and obligations change. Even though all that is required might be something simple, the responsibility of maintaining a guide for what may be years is more than most people can reasonably handle. Case in point, most of the current champion threads were spawned a year and a half ago when Neo made a big push for better champion guides. The vast majority of them are no longer maintained, not because the players making them were irresponsible but because a year and a half is a long time. Many of those players simply don't play LoL any more. If this forum had roughly ten times its current population we might be able to maintain a healthy assortment of guides. As it stands we simply don't have the resources. Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 15:10 Craton wrote:
I dunno, it seems to me that if you're looking at an old thread the first thing you should do is check when it was last updated. You're severely overestimating the average guide-seeker. For every person who checks and sees that a guide/thread is old, there are 10 who don't and wonder where the heck Sword of the Divine is in the shop.
Get real. Nobody put Sword of the Divine in a guide.
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On November 11 2012 17:01 Terranasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 16:56 Seuss wrote:On November 11 2012 15:05 petered wrote:On November 11 2012 12:32 UniversalSnip wrote:On November 11 2012 09:57 petered wrote:On November 11 2012 09:37 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't think we should have guides in the OP anyway. Nobody cares about updating them and they're typically pretty shitty, especially if the thread was made when the champion was new. We don't have that many people who are really good and I don't want guides written by mediocre/awful players to be the kind of content we give prominence on the subforum.
If you read the threads people are always coming in and posting mini-guides anyway, when I pop into a champ thread those are what I look at unless the thread is both recently updated and written by one of very few people. This may work for you, but Neo has specifically stated his desire to see the LoL subforum grow. Anyone who is newer and looking for a champ guide isn't going to be able to sift through old pages to find guides, they will just look to the OP. I see what you mean, though. I don't think they need to be amazing productions, but a lot of the older guides really don't make much sense given how much the game has changed. I won't sugercoat this. As unfortunate as it is to inconvenience new readers, this isn't going to be a credible source of information if the guides suck dick. It's going to look to intermediate players like we endorse any old crap as long as our community produced it, mostly because that is exactly what we'd be doing. The new players will want quantity over quality because they can't distinguish bad advice from good, so you're not exactly doing us favors arguing for a structure that caters to them. It's not a soluble problem, there just are not enough good players who want to spend their time on this stuff here. If our community doesn't produce enough article format content to cover every champion people want to talk about, fine, let's not pretend it does. Let me give you an example. When I first started playing I liked to play shen, so I looked at the giant list of guide links in the OP of the lol megathread and found the player written guide for shen. The guide was, basically, "build leviathan, find people, kill them, when you are 20 stacks solo their nexus." However, unbeknownst to me, leviathan had been nerfed from broken to it's current garbage state since the guide was written so I would buy leviathan, get nothing done, feed and be like "man I suck." When I figured out what was up I was like "oh lol. guess that post was old." If it had been presented to me as Team Liquid's Recommendation for What You Should Build on Shen I would have said "these guides are fucking awful. I guess these guys aren't so good after all." Likewise if the guide had been updated, but I figured out it was bad. Is it really that much work to have an OP with an up to date solid mastery, runes, and core build suggestion? I mean, not every thread has to be a post from a 2K player with a dissertation on how to play the champion. We should either update the guides with good information or simply delete the old guide. It does nobody any good to have the mass of out of date guides that we currently do. Your example only supports what I am saying. We should have good information or nothing at all, then you would never have been tricked into building leviathan. Since others have found worth in having guides, I am leaning towards actually trying to update them with just basics. If it is too much work though at least lets delete out the old ones. Guides tend to be like volcanoes. They are dormant for long periods of time and then suddenly experience violent upheaval. In the intervening time player interests and obligations change. Even though all that is required might be something simple, the responsibility of maintaining a guide for what may be years is more than most people can reasonably handle. Case in point, most of the current champion threads were spawned a year and a half ago when Neo made a big push for better champion guides. The vast majority of them are no longer maintained, not because the players making them were irresponsible but because a year and a half is a long time. Many of those players simply don't play LoL any more. If this forum had roughly ten times its current population we might be able to maintain a healthy assortment of guides. As it stands we simply don't have the resources. On November 11 2012 15:10 Craton wrote:
I dunno, it seems to me that if you're looking at an old thread the first thing you should do is check when it was last updated. You're severely overestimating the average guide-seeker. For every person who checks and sees that a guide/thread is old, there are 10 who don't and wonder where the heck Sword of the Divine is in the shop. Get real. Nobody put Sword of the Divine in a guide.
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On November 11 2012 17:01 Terranasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 16:56 Seuss wrote:On November 11 2012 15:05 petered wrote:On November 11 2012 12:32 UniversalSnip wrote:On November 11 2012 09:57 petered wrote:On November 11 2012 09:37 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't think we should have guides in the OP anyway. Nobody cares about updating them and they're typically pretty shitty, especially if the thread was made when the champion was new. We don't have that many people who are really good and I don't want guides written by mediocre/awful players to be the kind of content we give prominence on the subforum.
If you read the threads people are always coming in and posting mini-guides anyway, when I pop into a champ thread those are what I look at unless the thread is both recently updated and written by one of very few people. This may work for you, but Neo has specifically stated his desire to see the LoL subforum grow. Anyone who is newer and looking for a champ guide isn't going to be able to sift through old pages to find guides, they will just look to the OP. I see what you mean, though. I don't think they need to be amazing productions, but a lot of the older guides really don't make much sense given how much the game has changed. I won't sugercoat this. As unfortunate as it is to inconvenience new readers, this isn't going to be a credible source of information if the guides suck dick. It's going to look to intermediate players like we endorse any old crap as long as our community produced it, mostly because that is exactly what we'd be doing. The new players will want quantity over quality because they can't distinguish bad advice from good, so you're not exactly doing us favors arguing for a structure that caters to them. It's not a soluble problem, there just are not enough good players who want to spend their time on this stuff here. If our community doesn't produce enough article format content to cover every champion people want to talk about, fine, let's not pretend it does. Let me give you an example. When I first started playing I liked to play shen, so I looked at the giant list of guide links in the OP of the lol megathread and found the player written guide for shen. The guide was, basically, "build leviathan, find people, kill them, when you are 20 stacks solo their nexus." However, unbeknownst to me, leviathan had been nerfed from broken to it's current garbage state since the guide was written so I would buy leviathan, get nothing done, feed and be like "man I suck." When I figured out what was up I was like "oh lol. guess that post was old." If it had been presented to me as Team Liquid's Recommendation for What You Should Build on Shen I would have said "these guides are fucking awful. I guess these guys aren't so good after all." Likewise if the guide had been updated, but I figured out it was bad. Is it really that much work to have an OP with an up to date solid mastery, runes, and core build suggestion? I mean, not every thread has to be a post from a 2K player with a dissertation on how to play the champion. We should either update the guides with good information or simply delete the old guide. It does nobody any good to have the mass of out of date guides that we currently do. Your example only supports what I am saying. We should have good information or nothing at all, then you would never have been tricked into building leviathan. Since others have found worth in having guides, I am leaning towards actually trying to update them with just basics. If it is too much work though at least lets delete out the old ones. Guides tend to be like volcanoes. They are dormant for long periods of time and then suddenly experience violent upheaval. In the intervening time player interests and obligations change. Even though all that is required might be something simple, the responsibility of maintaining a guide for what may be years is more than most people can reasonably handle. Case in point, most of the current champion threads were spawned a year and a half ago when Neo made a big push for better champion guides. The vast majority of them are no longer maintained, not because the players making them were irresponsible but because a year and a half is a long time. Many of those players simply don't play LoL any more. If this forum had roughly ten times its current population we might be able to maintain a healthy assortment of guides. As it stands we simply don't have the resources. On November 11 2012 15:10 Craton wrote:
I dunno, it seems to me that if you're looking at an old thread the first thing you should do is check when it was last updated. You're severely overestimating the average guide-seeker. For every person who checks and sees that a guide/thread is old, there are 10 who don't and wonder where the heck Sword of the Divine is in the shop. Get real. Nobody put Sword of the Divine in a guide.
Back when ad tf was the way to go sotd was standard on tf
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On November 11 2012 16:35 zodde wrote:
Wow, I had no idea Neilyo was playing LoL :O Huge fan of his rogue play, he really was on a different level for a while. Guess I got a new stream to follow ;D
Yea a handful of noted names are playing/streaming. Hafu streams now as well, floating around 2300 elo. Rhaegyn her warrior teamate also plays. Nadagast double dipped into sc2 when MLG still had wow, would think he likely plays lol now too.
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On November 11 2012 17:06 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 16:35 zodde wrote:
Wow, I had no idea Neilyo was playing LoL :O Huge fan of his rogue play, he really was on a different level for a while. Guess I got a new stream to follow ;D Yea a handful of noted names are playing/streaming. Hafu streams now as well. Rhaegyn her warrior teamate also plays. Nadagast double dipped into sc2 when MLG still had wow, would think he likely plays lol now too.
Yeah I've been watching Hafu for a while, is Rhaegyn still going by that nickname? I Haven't seen him on any stream list.
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On November 11 2012 17:09 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:06 Irave wrote:On November 11 2012 16:35 zodde wrote:
Wow, I had no idea Neilyo was playing LoL :O Huge fan of his rogue play, he really was on a different level for a while. Guess I got a new stream to follow ;D Yea a handful of noted names are playing/streaming. Hafu streams now as well. Rhaegyn her warrior teamate also plays. Nadagast double dipped into sc2 when MLG still had wow, would think he likely plays lol now too. Yeah I've been watching Hafu for a while, is Rhaegyn still going by that nickname? I Haven't seen him on any stream list.
He doesn't go by that name in LoL. He is climbing the elo, currently around 1850, mains support. Plays a bit with chumpjohn another really old WoW name, 2300 elo. Would be pretty exciting to have a sponsored LoL team made up with these guys.
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On November 11 2012 17:27 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:09 zodde wrote:On November 11 2012 17:06 Irave wrote:On November 11 2012 16:35 zodde wrote:
Wow, I had no idea Neilyo was playing LoL :O Huge fan of his rogue play, he really was on a different level for a while. Guess I got a new stream to follow ;D Yea a handful of noted names are playing/streaming. Hafu streams now as well. Rhaegyn her warrior teamate also plays. Nadagast double dipped into sc2 when MLG still had wow, would think he likely plays lol now too. Yeah I've been watching Hafu for a while, is Rhaegyn still going by that nickname? I Haven't seen him on any stream list. He doesn't go by that name in LoL. He is climbing the elo, currently around 1850, mains support. Plays a bit with chumpjohn another really old WoW name, 2300 elo. Would be pretty exciting to have a sponsored LoL team made up with these guys.
Do you happen to know his name?
Would sure be cool to see some oldschool WoW players on the league scene, too bad both Rhaegyn and Hafu are maining support ;D What role is chumpjohn playing?
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On November 11 2012 17:28 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:27 Irave wrote:On November 11 2012 17:09 zodde wrote:On November 11 2012 17:06 Irave wrote:On November 11 2012 16:35 zodde wrote:
Wow, I had no idea Neilyo was playing LoL :O Huge fan of his rogue play, he really was on a different level for a while. Guess I got a new stream to follow ;D Yea a handful of noted names are playing/streaming. Hafu streams now as well. Rhaegyn her warrior teamate also plays. Nadagast double dipped into sc2 when MLG still had wow, would think he likely plays lol now too. Yeah I've been watching Hafu for a while, is Rhaegyn still going by that nickname? I Haven't seen him on any stream list. He doesn't go by that name in LoL. He is climbing the elo, currently around 1850, mains support. Plays a bit with chumpjohn another really old WoW name, 2300 elo. Would be pretty exciting to have a sponsored LoL team made up with these guys. Do you happen to know his name? Would sure be cool to see some oldschool WoW players on the league scene, too bad both Rhaegyn and Hafu are maining support ;D What role is chumpjohn playing?
Rhaegyn goes by Valakut. Chumpjohn, simply Imchumpjohn, who plays adc/jungle.
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Does anyone else just all of a sudden become terrible at this game. Like this is the 3rd time I think this has happened to me. It's like i just forgot how to play. I have been inching up in elo ever since the start of school and i reached a Plateau and held steady at 1750 and then two weeks ago I just stared losing. I have dropped 200 elo and am getting crushed in lane and i can see that my play is horrible but I can't stop it.
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On November 11 2012 18:11 jadoth wrote:
Does anyone else just all of a sudden become terrible at this game. Like this is the 3rd time I think this has happened to me. It's like i just forgot how to play. I have been inching up in elo ever since the start of school and i reached a Plateau and held steady at 1750 and then two weeks ago I just stared losing. I have dropped 200 elo and am getting crushed in lane and i can see that my play is horrible but I can't stop it.
My last two days have been like that. Getting stomped in lane be people I should be beating. I'm thinking it has something to do with how apathetic I feel when I play right now, and also that I haven't gotten enough sleep. Might be similar reasons for you, maybe?
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Am i the only one who feels like people in the tribunal only check the first game?
I had several cases where game 1 was completely fine and i would have pardoned for that on it's own, but game 2/3/4 had stuff like "fucking retards", "idiots", "i afk now fucktards" etc., so i went for "punish" but in the review an overwhelming majority went for pardon.
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On November 11 2012 18:11 jadoth wrote:
Does anyone else just all of a sudden become terrible at this game. Like this is the 3rd time I think this has happened to me. It's like i just forgot how to play. I have been inching up in elo ever since the start of school and i reached a Plateau and held steady at 1750 and then two weeks ago I just stared losing. I have dropped 200 elo and am getting crushed in lane and i can see that my play is horrible but I can't stop it.
Yeah same as Magus said, I've been there man (and extremely recently too!) Just take a bit of a break, make sure you get your sleep schedule straightened out and get your mood up lol as per something that Smash wrote in his blog.
You'll earn it back np once you stop auto-piloting and get your shit back on track.
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