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On November 06 2012 02:52 HereAndNow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 01:07 Zenithal wrote:
Should I be running Arpen runes if I want to trade in lane as ADC? Obviously AD runes are better for last hitting, but when I run them it seems like I do 0 damage when poking the enemy support/AD, or when I attack a jungler that comes to lane. Maybe I'm just bad, but I feel like I'm completely useless and do no damage as nearly any AD until I get a BFS item at least. Arpen runes (reds and quints, no reason to use yellows/blues) will always do more damage to champions. If you can deal with harder last hitting/prefer to harass, they're better 100% of the time.
I'd ask for your source, but I know you don't have one because you are flat out wrong.
http://clgaming.net/forums/board39-reign-of-gaming/board40-blogs/board82-a-different-view/5913-debunked-are-arpen-runes-better-than-ad-runes-redux/
TL;DR
Early laning - AD runes will deal around 5 more damage.
Mid-late laning - ArPen runes will start dealing more damage, around 5 more.
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Then you have champions with good base-damage spells like Sivir, or big AD steroids like Draven or the shield of a support Janna.
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On November 06 2012 06:22 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 05:22 BlackPaladin wrote:On November 06 2012 05:00 Irave wrote:On November 06 2012 04:53 UniversalSnip wrote:
yeah i never play ranked except for rewards, when they announced it I just popped right up there. now I feel kind of bad because I haven't brought any TL bros up with me
It's like, everyone rages in ranked, and I don't have any more fun than playing a normal, so what is the point? Agreed so much, draft pick normal was a savior. Eww draft pick normals are too close to ranked. Full of super ragey kids who aren't good enough for ranked and yet are super tryhard. So they end up playing shitty and then blaming everyone else for 20 mins. They also like to say that "you should play blind pick if you just want to play for fun" even though you only played draft normals so you had no gay mirror matchups. ;o I kind of wish draft normals was never created as it's what my friend's typically want to play but most of the randoms on my team or the opposing team are idiots who think that because they're playing draft normals they're pro gamers. The only redeeming factor of draft normals is running stupid shit and crushing people with champions that are "trash picks."
It's a nice alternative for people who don't want to deal with the stress of ranked but still like the draft process. I have no desire to know what my elo is, and I know I'm not at the level where I can carry games so I don't see the point in playing ranked.. I just circumvent the rager problem by ignoring people who complain.
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On November 06 2012 06:26 foxmeep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 02:52 HereAndNow wrote:On November 06 2012 01:07 Zenithal wrote:
Should I be running Arpen runes if I want to trade in lane as ADC? Obviously AD runes are better for last hitting, but when I run them it seems like I do 0 damage when poking the enemy support/AD, or when I attack a jungler that comes to lane. Maybe I'm just bad, but I feel like I'm completely useless and do no damage as nearly any AD until I get a BFS item at least. Arpen runes (reds and quints, no reason to use yellows/blues) will always do more damage to champions. If you can deal with harder last hitting/prefer to harass, they're better 100% of the time. I'd ask for your source, but I know you don't have one because you are flat out wrong. http://clgaming.net/forums/board39-reign-of-gaming/board40-blogs/board82-a-different-view/5913-debunked-are-arpen-runes-better-than-ad-runes-redux/TL;DR Early laning - AD runes will deal around 5 more damage. Mid-late laning - ArPen runes will start dealing more damage, around 5 more.
The comparison he does is a bit flawed because of how much worse AD reds are than AD quints. The comparison is never going to be between 15 AD and 25 ArPen, but rather 15 AD and 15 ArPen+7.75 AD (note how the AD+ArPen split gives you more than half the AD of going full AD while also more than half the ArPen of going full ArPen--an AD quints, ArPen reds split is more slot-efficient than full AD and full ArPen).
The champs that go full ArPen are typically not AD carries, but bruisers with significant physical damage nukes and other sources of ArPen (e.g. Jarvan).
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I'm still just confused because I was a Cait/Leona lane vs Ashe/Taric. Cait has better base stats, and we were both running 21 offensive, but I think she had Arpen runes while I've always used AD. I know it wasn't just her passive because she was auto attacking pretty normally to last hit. But the difference between her autos and mine was like really big.
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On November 06 2012 06:46 Zenithal wrote:
I'm still just confused because I was a Cait/Leona lane vs Ashe/Taric. Cait has better base stats, and we were both running 21 offensive, but I think she had Arpen runes while I've always used AD. I know it wasn't just her passive because she was auto attacking pretty normally to last hit. But the difference between her autos and mine was like really big.
Taric's armor aura means that his lane partner starts to leverage a pretty sizeable armor advantage after ~level 3.
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On November 06 2012 06:46 Zenithal wrote:
I'm still just confused because I was a Cait/Leona lane vs Ashe/Taric. Cait has better base stats, and we were both running 21 offensive, but I think she had Arpen runes while I've always used AD. I know it wasn't just her passive because she was auto attacking pretty normally to last hit. But the difference between her autos and mine was like really big.
I think thats cause you were playing ashe. not all AD carrys have the same stats ya know, infact the difference in some is quite large
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Well yeah, Taric passively buffs armor.
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On November 06 2012 02:42 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok need some advice here. Not sure if there is even any advice more my situation but I want to see if there's anything useful people can come up with.
I'm currently 1440, record high elo. I want to try and hit 1500 tonight.
Knowing that they usually shut down ranked games around 2:30 am EST and I can start playing from maybe around 7:30-8:00 PM that gives me approximately 6-7 hours of ranked games.
I need to win 5 games for 12 points each, or more if I get unlucky with 11 point wins or I lose a bunch.
Assuming 45 min per game at 6 hours (conservative estimate, maybe I'll get more) that gives me 8 games.
This means I can likely only lose one, forcing me to win 6 more games to hit that 1500 before time runs out.
I have a solid champion for each role and my winrates lately reflect as such.
I'm being pretty optimistic about this (which is really surprising considering my usual outlook, for people who know me), but I don't like the fact that my recent massive winstreak has gotten my hopes up about attaining solo queue gold. I think what I'm going to try to do is figure out at which point during the night a loss or extended game will effectively ruin my chances of attaining gold so I can relax.
I know this is a weird post/rant but I'm just trying to get in the right mindset. Any advice/thoughts or is this too inane? I believe in you wave; follow the golden elo road  I probably can't get gold. Only have internet for like 3 hours at night and am around the same elo as you gggggg ;-; Get gold for the both of us. 
I got gold today, 1501! + Show Spoiler +
I am so happy to have made it so close to the end. :D I think having a decent duo queue partner is very helpful, if you need to gain elo (you don't need to go bot together). Also, I played Cho'Gath and Taric almost exclusively the last 10-15 games or so. It has helped me a lot to focus on these two champs.
I wish everyone good luck to reach their goals until the season ends.
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On November 06 2012 06:48 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:46 Zenithal wrote:
I'm still just confused because I was a Cait/Leona lane vs Ashe/Taric. Cait has better base stats, and we were both running 21 offensive, but I think she had Arpen runes while I've always used AD. I know it wasn't just her passive because she was auto attacking pretty normally to last hit. But the difference between her autos and mine was like really big. I think thats cause you were playing ashe. not all AD carrys have the same stats ya know, infact the difference in some is quite large
Nono I was playing Cait against the Ashe, so base numbers meant I should have been hitting harder.
Is Taric's aura really that powerful? I thought he didn't level it first, which meant it should only be like 10 or 15 armor, not enough to completely negate my damage. It looked like I was only doing like 20 damage to them at level 8 with a DBlade.
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On November 06 2012 06:51 Zenithal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:48 arb wrote:On November 06 2012 06:46 Zenithal wrote:
I'm still just confused because I was a Cait/Leona lane vs Ashe/Taric. Cait has better base stats, and we were both running 21 offensive, but I think she had Arpen runes while I've always used AD. I know it wasn't just her passive because she was auto attacking pretty normally to last hit. But the difference between her autos and mine was like really big. I think thats cause you were playing ashe. not all AD carrys have the same stats ya know, infact the difference in some is quite large Nono I was playing Cait against the Ashe, so base numbers meant I should have been hitting harder. Is Taric's aura really that powerful? I thought he didn't level it first, which meant it should only be like 10 or 15 armor, not enough to completely negate my damage. It looked like I was only doing like 20 damage to them at level 8 with a DBlade.
Taric typically maxes W first.
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On November 06 2012 06:48 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:46 Zenithal wrote:
I'm still just confused because I was a Cait/Leona lane vs Ashe/Taric. Cait has better base stats, and we were both running 21 offensive, but I think she had Arpen runes while I've always used AD. I know it wasn't just her passive because she was auto attacking pretty normally to last hit. But the difference between her autos and mine was like really big. I think thats cause you were playing ashe. not all AD carrys have the same stats ya know, infact the difference in some is quite large
Ashe has 395hp, 11 armor, 46ad
Cait has 390hp, 13 armor, 47ad
It's really not a huge difference. It's almost certainly because the taric was maxing shatter granting ashe lots of bonus armor.
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Most Tarics max armor aura first (1st pt either level 2 or 3). The buff is 10 bonus armor at level 1 and goes up by 5 each rank. It's quite a bit.
If you take even 1 crit from Ashe without landing Headshot yourself, you're going to lose the exchange by a LOT.
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On November 06 2012 06:51 Schnake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 02:42 BlackPaladin wrote:On November 06 2012 00:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok need some advice here. Not sure if there is even any advice more my situation but I want to see if there's anything useful people can come up with.
I'm currently 1440, record high elo. I want to try and hit 1500 tonight.
Knowing that they usually shut down ranked games around 2:30 am EST and I can start playing from maybe around 7:30-8:00 PM that gives me approximately 6-7 hours of ranked games.
I need to win 5 games for 12 points each, or more if I get unlucky with 11 point wins or I lose a bunch.
Assuming 45 min per game at 6 hours (conservative estimate, maybe I'll get more) that gives me 8 games.
This means I can likely only lose one, forcing me to win 6 more games to hit that 1500 before time runs out.
I have a solid champion for each role and my winrates lately reflect as such.
I'm being pretty optimistic about this (which is really surprising considering my usual outlook, for people who know me), but I don't like the fact that my recent massive winstreak has gotten my hopes up about attaining solo queue gold. I think what I'm going to try to do is figure out at which point during the night a loss or extended game will effectively ruin my chances of attaining gold so I can relax.
I know this is a weird post/rant but I'm just trying to get in the right mindset. Any advice/thoughts or is this too inane? I believe in you wave; follow the golden elo road I probably can't get gold. Only have internet for like 3 hours at night and am around the same elo as you gggggg ;-; Get gold for the both of us. I got gold today, 1501! + Show Spoiler +I am so happy to have made it so close to the end. :D I think having a decent duo queue partner is very helpful, if you need to gain elo (you don't need to go bot together). Also, I played Cho'Gath and Taric almost exclusively the last 10-15 games or so. It has helped me a lot to focus on these two champs. I wish everyone good luck to reach their goals until the season ends.
Wanna duo?
lol
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Made silver just in time for season 3 Btw, does anyone know at which time the season will start on EUW, should we expect a patch or just a reset to ELO's for starters?
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By the way - some guys ~1450-1600 elo range were posting a little while back that they want to make a 5's team. I'm currently a little under 1600 myself and would be interested. Anyone else?
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Generally as Taric I start E if invade, W if just lane. Order should be WEWQWR for me.
Yeah, it gives 10/15/20/25/30 armor aura and its active debuffs by the same amount. Pretty good. Considering his ulti is basically a small nuke + Baron buff minus regen, I feel Taric might be truly outrageous.
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On November 06 2012 06:21 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 04:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
My strategies that have worked on my recent climb: (might just be luck and/or coincidence due to relatively small sample size, or something finally clicking with me, who knows)
Mid: Eve and Viktor - Eve because people don't even know how to deal with a roaming mid they can SEE, never mind one they can't. Grab Boots 2 and a ring/Kage and wreak havoc on all da lanez. Viktor if I'm going to be in for the long haul: farm like a boss, follow when enemy roam, look for opportunities. Generally a harder game for me and requires a little more skill than loleve
Top: Rumble. So abusive, Only go super aggro when you know you're safe because he's kinda easy to gank but after 6 even if they tower dive you, you'll get a kill with equalizer. Hard countered by a few tops but can still farm decently and generally outscales a lot of those counters.
AD: Graves. Not super high skillcap, high burst and safe farming with a medium escape. Overall just farm like crazy; if your support is real good then you'll get kills and snowball to a win.
Support: Zyra. People at my elo don't see this so don't know what to do. Set kills up for your AD with E/plants. Hell, when you bait you can even sacrifice yourself to get a double kill for the AD/jungler thanks to your passive.
Jungler: Skarner. Probably the hardest role in terms of carrying because it still requires your lanes don't absolutely all fail at the same time. Ganks are really strong though and with ult you can literally drag ganks to your teammates.
Oh, and for the record, I already technically have gold, but I wanted to get specifically solo queue gold for a couple reasons. Extra icon yeah, but mostly because I promised myself I'd do better than the silver I got last season and yet this season i still pussed out and didn't play much. I think I've finally (mostly) gotten over the ladder fear but it's probably too little too late. I'd say Udyr for the jungle tbh, if you can learn to gank with Udyr you'll be able to gank with any jungle and do it successfully. You can also build double gp5 wits then just roflstomp everyone
Udyr Ganks never work at ~1300-1500. Laner's never support it so you end up proccing bearstance like 1 step from the tower.
DERP.
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On November 06 2012 06:54 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:51 Schnake wrote:On November 06 2012 02:42 BlackPaladin wrote:On November 06 2012 00:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok need some advice here. Not sure if there is even any advice more my situation but I want to see if there's anything useful people can come up with.
I'm currently 1440, record high elo. I want to try and hit 1500 tonight.
Knowing that they usually shut down ranked games around 2:30 am EST and I can start playing from maybe around 7:30-8:00 PM that gives me approximately 6-7 hours of ranked games.
I need to win 5 games for 12 points each, or more if I get unlucky with 11 point wins or I lose a bunch.
Assuming 45 min per game at 6 hours (conservative estimate, maybe I'll get more) that gives me 8 games.
This means I can likely only lose one, forcing me to win 6 more games to hit that 1500 before time runs out.
I have a solid champion for each role and my winrates lately reflect as such.
I'm being pretty optimistic about this (which is really surprising considering my usual outlook, for people who know me), but I don't like the fact that my recent massive winstreak has gotten my hopes up about attaining solo queue gold. I think what I'm going to try to do is figure out at which point during the night a loss or extended game will effectively ruin my chances of attaining gold so I can relax.
I know this is a weird post/rant but I'm just trying to get in the right mindset. Any advice/thoughts or is this too inane? I believe in you wave; follow the golden elo road I probably can't get gold. Only have internet for like 3 hours at night and am around the same elo as you gggggg ;-; Get gold for the both of us. I got gold today, 1501! + Show Spoiler +I am so happy to have made it so close to the end. :D I think having a decent duo queue partner is very helpful, if you need to gain elo (you don't need to go bot together). Also, I played Cho'Gath and Taric almost exclusively the last 10-15 games or so. It has helped me a lot to focus on these two champs. I wish everyone good luck to reach their goals until the season ends. Wanna duo? lol
i'll duo witcha waev. I don't usually like to duo, but i already got my gold so idgaf.
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Hmm... my go to characters or ones i don't have to think about picking in solo q right now are...
Top - malph, nunu, jayce, singed
mid - brand, ori, morg
ad- anyone really.
jungle - cho?
support - ... none
at least his is what i usually play if i want to climb. more recently, i've just been playing whoever i want with mixed results. what's everyone else's top picks?
pretty much got to upper 1900's easily with this cast lol. and wanna see what everyone else climbs with lol
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