[Patch 1.0.0.149: TF Update] General Discussion - Page 142

On October 24 2012 15:20 BlackPaladin wrote:
Guinsoo build is like 2+ years old at this point l0l

On October 24 2012 13:09 Alaric wrote:

I was wondering if people would play Viktor during his free week. Apart from you, I only heard of one guy and he doesn't like him at all (and calls him Victor).


Viktor. o> QEQ, zone her off from the beginning, and make her eat a QE every time she has to come close to trade. Ult when she does. Outpush her at every turn and roam more.

On October 24 2012 15:25 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Apparently Titan Dweevil is adamant that ad carries aren't ad carries because they have ad ratios on their spells and are ranged, but because of the items you build. He also says that his ad tf does as much damage as any other ad carry.

On October 24 2012 15:34 Tooplark wrote:


Well, it depends. AD ratios just shore up the midgame dps output. Late game, the damage outputs are going to be mainly dependent on DPS steroids (which is half of why Trist is so dangerous late game). Of course, damage output is going to be 0 if you're dead, which has always been the major problem for AD TF - no escapes and short range.If he had 600 range, he would be the best AD carry in the game.

On October 24 2012 15:32 zulu_nation8 wrote:
just because a champion isn't played anymore (urgot), doesn't mean he suddenly became bad, it may mean he doesn't fit as well within the current meta, or people found better options. If you think he is indeed bad, please explain your reasoning aside from nerfs, or those nerfs are huge, or holy shit those nerfs.

On October 24 2012 15:47 overt wrote:


It was mostly the nerf to his spells. R nerf was ridiculous, 550 range at level 1 of ult is a pretty big difference from 700. E got a range nerf and a cooldown increase. Q got a 300 range nerf and a damage nerf (damage nerf has been reverted but range nerf is still pretty big).

All of that means that Urgot can't bully lanes as well anymore. If Urgot can't bully lanes there's no real reason to pick him.

Twisted Fate has an AD ratio on his W.

On October 24 2012 15:57 Sufficiency wrote:


Twisted Fate does not have AD ratio on his W. When he procs a card he deals no physical damage.

On October 24 2012 15:58 wei2coolman wrote:

AD Ratio =/= physical damage.

On October 24 2012 15:52 seRapH wrote:

Its a 1.0 scaling spell that negates his normal auto and can't crit.

On October 24 2012 16:00 Sufficiency wrote:


No. That's not the point.

A normal autoattack deals 100% of his AD.

An autoattack that procs his card deals card base + 100% of his AD as magic damage (ignoring AP for the sake of the argument).

The only extra damage he is dealing is from the base damage of his card.

On October 24 2012 15:32 zulu_nation8 wrote:
just because a champion isn't played anymore (urgot), doesn't mean he suddenly became bad, it may mean he doesn't fit as well within the current meta, or people found better options. If you think he is indeed bad, please explain your reasoning aside from nerfs, or those nerfs are huge, or holy shit those nerfs.

On October 24 2012 16:03 overt wrote:


Pretty sure a 2 second stun is worth doing slightly less damage on your next auto attack. During mid game W is going to hit harder than a normal auto would and depending on your item path you would possibly hit harder than a crit. During late game 2 second stun means you'll probably get two to three autos off for free.

I'm pretty sure the statement, "if TF had 600 range he'd be the best AD carry in the game," is pretty damn close to the truth. Really the only thing that hinders him as AD is how unsafe he is.

On October 24 2012 16:26 Tooplark wrote:


It's several factors: one, he'd be a huge lane bully, with a point-and-click stun on a super low cooldown. Two, he'd be able to split push incredibly well, which is pretty scary on a ranged AD. Three, 600 range is really strong. Imagine the days of Ashe being the only carry anyone played, but the global and the stun parts of her arrow are split up and she actually has a steroid.

On October 24 2012 15:57 wei2coolman wrote:
AD Carry is just a role, you could accomplish it with Master Yi, or Annie, or Lux, or any fucking champion you choose. The role just requires that you do a lot of AD damage, as to round out the damage type your team can do. Pretty much a champion with IE, PD, BT, LW, is gunna be fucking chunking the shit out of you. Obviously there are champions that are designed to do it better, but that isn't what makes them an "AD Carry".