[Patch 1.0.0.149: TF Update] General Discussion - Page 120

On October 23 2012 13:52 Ares[Effort] wrote:
TheOddOne has a brother, wow!

On October 23 2012 13:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


Remember how there was a conversation about how you always post stuff that's just wrong? This is an example.

Veigar outtrades a lot of people - none of the bullshit op crap we see today, but a lot of the older APs, and, yes, Ryze at early levels. You're trying to avoid trading on a hero with a low CD low mana cost spell (Q mana costs got buffed a few patches ago) who can all-in from 1000 range when the opponent is below 75% hp.

Agree w/ Jumbled, maxing W is a necessity forced by difficult lanes, not something you're going for. W costs a bazillion more mana than Q anyways so your logic is flawed anyways.

On October 23 2012 14:31 Sufficiency wrote:


What did I post that was wrong? I was experimenting maxing W first. I never said "OMG MAX W IS SO GOOD EVERYONE SHOULD DO IT". In fact I already said in a different post that it's not that great.

On October 23 2012 13:31 Lmui wrote:
On the CLG.NA changes.

Hotshot out of the jungle: Good move, needed to be done rather badly.
Hotshot to top lane: He does make plays in soloQ on stream but I'm more inclined to think spurts of talent+luck rather than straight up talent. He doesn't seem to be on the same level as even Dyrus/Wickd, let alone the koreans, I don't see training really helping him with that especially considering season 1 of ogn.
Chauster to jungle: Mediocre move, bot lane synergy takes a long time to get and Chaulift had it. Chauster's general game sense is reputed to be insane though so I see this as pretty positive in itself. It also allows CLG to run far more aggressive teamcomps since chauster knows and can play lee/noct/olaf and other aggressive junglers. Not sure that it'll happen due to the meta we've seen lately though.
Locodoco to support: He's a really good AD, no idea about bot lane player in general.

On October 23 2012 14:31 Sufficiency wrote:


What did I post that was wrong? I was experimenting maxing W first. I never said "OMG MAX W IS SO GOOD EVERYONE SHOULD DO IT". In fact I already said in a different post that it's not that great.

On October 23 2012 14:47 BlackPaladin wrote:
But you did say you've been maxing w and max w's wave clear is OP.....lol so yes, that would be suggesting it.
But q max is preferrable. You only might put a few points in w if needed against heavy pushers. But you generally want your points in q for trading,farming, and burst potential, and in e because a 2+ second aoe stun is retardedly powerful come midgame teamfights, and even in lane to blow people up with.

On October 23 2012 14:49 Sufficiency wrote:
I don't think Voyboy has been that stellar, but we all know it's the jungler's fault! Blame HSGG! + Show Spoiler +

On October 23 2012 15:08 zulu_nation8 wrote:
CLG shouldve been saint jungle, chauster top, jiji mid, double ad with any support, unfortunate how delusion and ego prevented that from ever happening.

On October 23 2012 14:57 Sufficiency wrote:


I agree that maxing W is most likely situational (the fact that no guides suggest maxing W first is a good clue); but honestly I can't know how situational it is (e.g. when is it good/bad, etc.) unless I try it regardless of the match up. It was normal draft so oh well.

The wording was unfortunate. I should have been more careful. On the other hand his W waveclear is not bad at all considering the 1-1 AP ratio and good base... but the flat cooldown and mana cost increase is meh.... the playstyle kind of reminded me of Morgana.