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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 19:05:00
October 03 2012 19:02 GMT
#1821
Yea you have items like force staff, mek,pipe,ghost scepter. All which allow you to "counter-attack" a bkbing guy in your face by just either displacement/physical invincibility or healing/magical damage shield. This tends to make fights drag on a lot unless there's some real hard initiation that can aoe cc guys.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 19:02:50
October 03 2012 19:02 GMT
#1822
well if a LoL item gave AD, mana regen, and hp regen, all long term based stats, combined with a burst cooldown reset we'd be laughing pretty hard too

Oh wait, that's basically Tiamat LOOL
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 19:09:16
October 03 2012 19:05 GMT
#1823
They need to fix Atma's and Ghostblade, just remove crit chance, and replace with a more worthy stat, or make the item cheaper.

Further itemization of bildgewater cutlass would be cool (other than just gunblade). One of my favorite items in the game.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 19:06:24
October 03 2012 19:06 GMT
#1824
TBH I think it would be much more interesting to have a hero that has Tinker's Rearm as his ultimate. Sure, there's Zilean, but meh. Not the same fun.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 19:08:01
October 03 2012 19:07 GMT
#1825
On October 04 2012 04:05 wei2coolman wrote:
They need to fix Atma's and Ghostblade, just remove crit chance, and replace with a more worthy stat, or make the item cheaper.


Crit on bruisery items is designed for melee carries, though, they simply don't exist in LoL.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 03 2012 19:07 GMT
#1826
Well Tinker's Rearm without the ability to refresh item cooldowns and without cool item actives isn't nearly as much fun :<
Prinate
Profile Joined October 2010
United States182 Posts
October 03 2012 19:08 GMT
#1827
I don't think anyone realistically expects them to scrap the whole item system; an overhaul more likely will encompass tweaking of tier 1/2 items and then building new items/paths for higher tiers. I think Xyph specifically said he wanted to see more actives, so the best approach would be to identify what conditions aren't game breaking (like the ult reset discussion above.) Is a silence activate OP? What range / CD could make it fair? Etc.

On itemization, would anyone want to see multiple build paths for higher tier items? Would it make itemizing too confusing (especially from UI concerns)? Like what if a Deathcap could be built from a Guise or something instead of NLR, but ultimately had a larger combine and total cost to pay for the earlier upgrade, but still cheaper than if someone sold off their Guise, etc.

I dunno if that makes itemization more or less interesting.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 03 2012 19:09 GMT
#1828
On October 04 2012 04:07 Numy wrote:
Well Tinker's Rearm without the ability to refresh item cooldowns and without cool item actives isn't nearly as much fun :<

I mean, there are still enough in the game that are worth refreshing, even if it's not Tinker level awesome.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 19:12:13
October 03 2012 19:10 GMT
#1829
I think we discussed this before quite a bit and the general feeling was build "paths" isn't something that helps the itemization but hurts. Having items like Dorans Stuff/Guise which don't build into anything else but are extremely strong at certain points of the game.

This gives you more options as a character and team to what you want to focus on: Building small components for late game items while being weaker in the current space of time or building "dead end" items that are stronger now but weaker later.

On October 04 2012 04:09 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 04:07 Numy wrote:
Well Tinker's Rearm without the ability to refresh item cooldowns and without cool item actives isn't nearly as much fun :<

I mean, there are still enough in the game that are worth refreshing, even if it's not Tinker level awesome.


I dunno man without blink/force/dagon/BoT what you gonna do!@ Haha ye it will most likely still be cool just because it's a really cool idea.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 03 2012 19:12 GMT
#1830
On October 04 2012 04:10 Numy wrote:
I think we discussed this before quite a bit and the general feeling was build "paths" isn't something that helps the itemization but hurts. Having items like Dorans Stuff/Guise which don't build into anything else but are extremely strong at certain points of the game.

This. I'm glad we're seeing a lot more Haunting guises in pro play, maybe need to make an AD bruiser version of that? Similar to brutalizer but some defensive stats as well?
liftlift > tsm
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
October 03 2012 19:18 GMT
#1831
On October 04 2012 03:52 Slayer91 wrote:
Looks like BKB would be legit on nasus instead of trinity force


That'd make his lategame so absurd it's actually ridiculous thinking about it. Even if all BKB did in LoL was CC immune(except suppress, likely because of the %damage relatively speaking of magic/spell based and physical based damage), lategame nasus would be soooo scary. lategame he almost always kills the AD in 2-3 hits, but now he can actually get to them.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
October 03 2012 19:24 GMT
#1832
lee sin shield + Leblanc move thing =?
If timed correctly, does he follow her teleport. If so, could make for some sick ganks
Prinate
Profile Joined October 2010
United States182 Posts
October 03 2012 19:29 GMT
#1833
True or false, either of these ideas would be more entertaining than another-generic-online tourney that always have the same NA teams:


enemy drafts. Go through normal pick/ban phase, but the enemy team has to play with the team you drafted. Close lobby before game start, then set back up as a normal and the teams have to use the roster that the other team picked. Rarely used champs get featured, awkward laning roles, shit talking opportunities by actually giving the enemy decent champs.

Idea 2: this could also easily be done at an IPL or a MLG arena where the teams aren't doing ton of sets. Battle of the lanes. If you have at least 5 teams, then do a side tourney where each team is comprised of the guys who main each role. Team jungler, team mid, etc.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
October 03 2012 19:29 GMT
#1834
On October 04 2012 04:24 Dgiese wrote:
lee sin shield + Leblanc move thing =?
If timed correctly, does he follow her teleport. If so, could make for some sick ganks

Yes, you can do it with teleport and other spells like that too, but you have to have insane timing to do it.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 19:39:31
October 03 2012 19:32 GMT
#1835
On October 04 2012 04:12 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 04:10 Numy wrote:
I think we discussed this before quite a bit and the general feeling was build "paths" isn't something that helps the itemization but hurts. Having items like Dorans Stuff/Guise which don't build into anything else but are extremely strong at certain points of the game.

This. I'm glad we're seeing a lot more Haunting guises in pro play, maybe need to make an AD bruiser version of that? Similar to brutalizer but some defensive stats as well?


Isn't that what phage is?

We need an AD Abyssal Scepter.

Edit,

And Zonyas
Freeeeeeedom
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 19:35:51
October 03 2012 19:34 GMT
#1836
On October 04 2012 04:12 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 04:10 Numy wrote:
I think we discussed this before quite a bit and the general feeling was build "paths" isn't something that helps the itemization but hurts. Having items like Dorans Stuff/Guise which don't build into anything else but are extremely strong at certain points of the game.

This. I'm glad we're seeing a lot more Haunting guises in pro play, maybe need to make an AD bruiser version of that? Similar to brutalizer but some defensive stats as well?

Like Hexdrinker? Or Wit's End and Spark for the ASpd fans?
On October 04 2012 04:32 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 04:12 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 04 2012 04:10 Numy wrote:
I think we discussed this before quite a bit and the general feeling was build "paths" isn't something that helps the itemization but hurts. Having items like Dorans Stuff/Guise which don't build into anything else but are extremely strong at certain points of the game.

This. I'm glad we're seeing a lot more Haunting guises in pro play, maybe need to make an AD bruiser version of that? Similar to brutalizer but some defensive stats as well?


Isn't that what phage is?

We need an AD Abyssal Scepter.

Like Zeke's or Atma's?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
KarlKaliente
Profile Joined March 2012
United States434 Posts
October 03 2012 19:35 GMT
#1837
On October 04 2012 04:29 Prinate wrote:
True or false, either of these ideas would be more entertaining than another-generic-online tourney that always have the same NA teams:

enemy drafts. Go through normal pick/ban phase, but the enemy team has to play with the team you drafted. Close lobby before game start, then set back up as a normal and the teams have to use the roster that the other team picked. Rarely used champs get featured, awkward laning roles, shit talking opportunities by actually giving the enemy decent champs.


This would be awesome to see in tournament downtime or for a silly weekend showmatch. I used to do this with 12 man pugs in team fortress - but not only do you pick their classes but you also chose which players had to play which class/role
UMS > Melee
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 03 2012 19:36 GMT
#1838
Come on guys this is riot we're talking about. They wouldn't allow a refreshing and scaling true damage nuke to happen, so they'd never be silly enough to add an item that would give champs that can instakill you any cc/damage immunity or CD refreshers. Riiiight?

Please for the love of god add that so I can be world's #1 nasus.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 03 2012 19:38 GMT
#1839
On October 04 2012 04:34 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 04:12 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 04 2012 04:10 Numy wrote:
I think we discussed this before quite a bit and the general feeling was build "paths" isn't something that helps the itemization but hurts. Having items like Dorans Stuff/Guise which don't build into anything else but are extremely strong at certain points of the game.

This. I'm glad we're seeing a lot more Haunting guises in pro play, maybe need to make an AD bruiser version of that? Similar to brutalizer but some defensive stats as well?

Like Hexdrinker? Or Wit's End and Spark for the ASpd fans?
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 04:32 cLutZ wrote:
On October 04 2012 04:12 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 04 2012 04:10 Numy wrote:
I think we discussed this before quite a bit and the general feeling was build "paths" isn't something that helps the itemization but hurts. Having items like Dorans Stuff/Guise which don't build into anything else but are extremely strong at certain points of the game.

This. I'm glad we're seeing a lot more Haunting guises in pro play, maybe need to make an AD bruiser version of that? Similar to brutalizer but some defensive stats as well?


Isn't that what phage is?

We need an AD Abyssal Scepter.

Like Zeke's or Atma's?

None of which have armor pen? I was thinking something more along the lines of more synergy, something with a bit of AD, armorpen, with some armor or health. Just a little bit of those stats. It'd be blatantly op'd as fuck when first bought, but loses its relative strength later on in the game.
liftlift > tsm
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
October 03 2012 19:40 GMT
#1840
On October 04 2012 04:29 Prinate wrote:
True or false, either of these ideas would be more entertaining than another-generic-online tourney that always have the same NA teams:


enemy drafts. Go through normal pick/ban phase, but the enemy team has to play with the team you drafted. Close lobby before game start, then set back up as a normal and the teams have to use the roster that the other team picked. Rarely used champs get featured, awkward laning roles, shit talking opportunities by actually giving the enemy decent champs.

Idea 2: this could also easily be done at an IPL or a MLG arena where the teams aren't doing ton of sets. Battle of the lanes. If you have at least 5 teams, then do a side tourney where each team is comprised of the guys who main each role. Team jungler, team mid, etc.


enemy draft would be hilarious!
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