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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On October 04 2012 06:16 Morfildur wrote: More like Muffinqt preparing perfect situations for aphromoo to kill the opponents. That was more impressive than aphromoos clean ups. The life of a support player. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Not really. Muffinqt did his job but nothing impressive. People need to learn the difference from "the support making huge plays" and "the support using his spells in a way that's effective". Aphro showed huge balls and seemed to know exactly how much his character was capable of doing. Often you get the feeling the support carrys the AD in lane, the AD is usually out of position and farming, but here the support just initiates and GTFOs and aphro does work. He needed a couple nice leona E's though. I mean, not like he's a bad support, he's good, but he's by no means the reason aphros dominating here. Most good supports can do the same thing. But for examples sometimes you just watch chausters support and he does shit like flash janna tornadoing 4 ppl or something and you're just like "wow wtf" | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 04 2012 06:15 Schwopzi wrote: Are you sure it's not just with tele/recall that it's fixed? At least for mao W & lee sin Q you can flash when they're in animation and get them in a really bad spot. It should be just tele and recall, although in my experience Mao W sometimes fizzles out if they move away really far and you lose vision like Panth ult or Kass ult through a huge wall. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On October 04 2012 06:29 Slayer91 wrote: Not really. Muffinqt did his job but nothing impressive. People need to learn the difference from "the support making huge plays" and "the support using his spells in a way that's effective". Aphro showed huge balls and seemed to know exactly how much his character was capable of doing. Often you get the feeling the support carrys the AD in lane, the AD is usually out of position and farming, but here the support just initiates and GTFOs and aphro does work. He needed a couple nice leona E's though. I mean, not like he's a bad support, he's good, but he's by no means the reason aphros dominating here. Most good supports can do the same thing. But for examples sometimes you just watch chausters support and he does shit like flash janna tornadoing 4 ppl or something and you're just like "wow wtf" zzzzz In the clip against TSM, he only didn't die a fast and horrible death because Chaox missed his W (on ez) Then he survives with 50 hp, and it looks like OMG THIS GUY SO GOOD, but really Chaox just missplayed a perfect engage by Xpecial, and they died. It's not even that he was doing anything impressive there. See where this is going? | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 04 2012 06:29 Slayer91 wrote: Not really. Muffinqt did his job but nothing impressive. People need to learn the difference from "the support making huge plays" and "the support using his spells in a way that's effective". Aphro showed huge balls and seemed to know exactly how much his character was capable of doing. Often you get the feeling the support carrys the AD in lane, the AD is usually out of position and farming, but here the support just initiates and GTFOs and aphro does work. He needed a couple nice leona E's though. I mean, not like he's a bad support, he's good, but he's by no means the reason aphros dominating here. Most good supports can do the same thing. But for examples sometimes you just watch chausters support and he does shit like flash janna tornadoing 4 ppl or something and you're just like "wow wtf" imo, during lane phase supports like Krepo, Xpecial, Chauster, and GoSu Pepper tend to carry their AD. Either because their AD is subpar at lane phase or the support just knows/understands the lane a lot better. Aphromoo, Nien (back when he played AD), and Cop are decent examples of AD carries who understand the lane better than their supports typically do. There's also examples of this in Asian teams. Players like Madlife or WeiXaxo come to mind. eh, actually, Cop is probably a bad example. Curse's bot lane is so weird that I'm not going to try and pretend to understand it. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On October 04 2012 06:40 Dandel Ion wrote: zzzzz In the clip against TSM, he only didn't die a fast and horrible death because Chaox missed his W (on ez) Then he survives with 50 hp, and it looks like OMG THIS GUY SO GOOD, but really Chaox just missplayed a perfect engage by Xpecial, and they died. It's not even that he was doing anything impressive there. See where this is going? You want to analyze that play? -Xpecial slightly misjudges the timing on the E ministun, and allows Aphro just enough time to dodge the ezrael W which chaox aimed assuming xpecial would stun him in place (he had to instantly jump to location and hit the W ASAP he couldn't predict the slight window of time aphro used to dodge) -Xpecial hits his Q and follows with ult so aphro is totally stun locked --Muffinqt derps around and then ults when aphro is at 50 hp -Aphros like "I got dis" and blows everything on chaox while he's stunned by sona ult instead of trying for the escape Muffinqts play kinda made sense if their plan was to barely survive and then you want to ult when aphros out of stun but the safer option would be to insta sona ult to stop him from getting a free burst+ult while aphros stunned. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On October 04 2012 06:45 Slayer91 wrote: You want to analyze that play? -Xpecial slightly misjudges the timing on the E ministun, and allows Aphro just enough time to dodge the ezrael W which chaox aimed assuming xpecial would stun him in place (he had to instantly jump to location and hit the W ASAP he couldn't predict the slight window of time aphro used to dodge) -Xpecial hits his Q and follows with ult so aphro is totally stun locked --Muffinqt derps around and then ults when aphro is at 50 hp -Aphros like "I got dis" and blows everything on chaox while he's stunned instead of trying for the escape Are you serious? Well, if you want to pretend "running back towards your tower" is the dodge in the history of gaming, then go on ahead.... €: I'm not even sucking Muffin's dick, I don't think he's that great of a player, but really, that's just bull. User was warned for this post | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
You were implying that "chaox missed his W" as in he just derped, when I'm saying he didn't outright make a mistake. I didn't say it was amazing, that's just one event from the whole video and that's the one when he was stunlocked for 50% of the clip lol. You just decided to pick that clip to say why aphro isn't anything special and I'm just noticing that he played pretty well that clip even when he couldn't do shit and played a pretty bad champ to boot huehue. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On October 04 2012 06:48 Dandel Ion wrote: Are you serious? Well, if you want to pretend "running back towards your tower" is the sickest juke in the history of gaming, then go on ahead.... Nowhere in that quote does he say anything even close to "sickest juke in the history of gaming". He didn't even quantify how good the juke was. Don't condescend to him bro. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On October 04 2012 06:48 Dandel Ion wrote: Are you serious? Well, if you want to pretend "running back towards your tower" is the sickest juke in the history of gaming, then go on ahead.... €: I'm not even sucking Muffin's dick, I don't think he's that great of a player, but really, that's just bull. What "sick juke" is in that quote? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
From now on i will only quote posts and not say anything about them, just on the off chance that people might be misinterpreting posts that might or might not misinterpret posts somebody else made about misinterpreting something. Just to be extra sure. I will edit my previous post accordingly, just so that there won't be misinterpretations. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On October 04 2012 06:43 Kenpachi wrote: so what i got from guides and places is that no one counters katarina anymore swain/annie/leblanc/vlad is what you are looking at right now to deal with her in lane you can play more aggressively against her longer since her harass doesn't kick in til even later post rework | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
I'm not sure Aphromo is at the Doublelift / chaox level without using unexpected carry, never seen him do wonder in a serious match with ez, corki or graves but maybe I'm just wrong. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On October 04 2012 07:32 Dandel Ion wrote: You guys are literally being literal. From now on i will only quote posts and not say anything about them, just on the off chance that people might be misinterpreting posts that might or might not misinterpret posts somebody else made about misinterpreting something. Just to be extra sure. I will edit my previous post accordingly, just so that there won't be misinterpretations. You'll never stop us. Thanks to the quoting system your misinterpretation of both my post AND the aphro clip will be held in mockery for years to come! | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
Would just be better to nip stealth in the bud, but given the number of champions they'd have to touch that seems even more unlikely. On October 04 2012 03:03 TheKefka wrote: Can someone explain to me what was the point of the stealth remake when every champion with stealth they put out since than has a leap or a massive MS buff,so even when you see them coming in range it's already too late lol. I would guess RP sales. Despite my extreme cynicism of their ability, I'm hopeful that their alleged item overhaul coming before S3 will have positive balance affects. It wouldn't be a far leap to see the hex sweeper active tacked on to some other decent-but-infrequently-gotten item, but its such an unwieldy thing that I don't know if it would even help (fat lot of good it does to see something stealthed after they're already on top of you with permaslows). Similarly, I'd like to see DFG removed outright (it's funny that you guys are having this discussion about how OP double CDs would be when the output of DFG can be as high as a 50% increase in burst, nearly rivaling double CDs). There's a number of openings for new items like AD caster items, but I'm concerned that would push those champs into OP-land. Definitely the single best area to touch is the non-boot tenacity items (let them build into things). | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
€: Hextech sweeper needs more range on the active. It's just such a clunky active to use, and then on top of that, by the time they are in range of it, they can just jump/flash on you anyways. As is now, it's really only useful for unstealthing an Akali in her shroud or something, and for that, you might as well carry a pink and buy a good item instead. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
"are you serious?" "that's just bull" etc It's not like I'm trying to win the argument here I'm just putting forth my view and am curious why someone else would think differently, you seem to keep your stance but don't explain why. I've tried to explain my stance and you've still given me nothing but random passive aggressive comments. If I wanted to argue for the sake of arguing I'd be in general forum right now huehue. | ||
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