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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
October 03 2012 23:26 GMT
#1901
On October 04 2012 08:22 TheSinisterRed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 08:12 Seuss wrote:
I'm still shocked that we haven't seen Sivir reworked yet. She literally has the worst model in the game by a landslide.

http://www.lolking.net/models/?champion=15&skin=0

I don't know about worst by a landslide. Have you looked at Nidalee lately?

http://www.lolking.net/models/?champion=76&skin=0


Sivir's model might not be as bad but her running animation ... it's like she's perpetually underwater.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 03 2012 23:26 GMT
#1902
On October 04 2012 08:16 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 08:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 04 2012 07:54 Slayer91 wrote:
What confuses me is that I put forth a scene analysis and give you my thoughts and then your counterpoints seem to be
"are you serious?"
"that's just bull"
etc

It's not like I'm trying to win the argument here I'm just putting forth my view and am curious why someone else would think differently, you seem to keep your stance but don't explain why. I've tried to explain my stance and you've still given me nothing but random passive aggressive comments.
If I wanted to argue for the sake of arguing I'd be in general forum right now huehue.

You were impying Xpecial/Chaox making a mistake was a merit of Aphromoo being a good player - and it isn't.
Aphro had NO way of getting out of that by his own actions, no matter how you want to look at him walking half a step towards his tower.

Xpecial didn't lock him properly, Chaox's W was a tiny bit off to the left (he would've definetly still hit if he fired EXACTLY where Aphro got zenith bladed at, didn't move far enough)
Tiny things like that happen, but because that damage didn't go through, Aphro survived by a sliver of hp. Also the AS slow.

I'm saying that has nothing to do with him. A braindead donkey could've rightclicked at that point and probably killed them, or at least chaox, with all their cooldowns blown.

The clip in no way showed Aphro being a good player. He was lucky and got to clean up on a messed up all-in.
An all-in he could've avoided by not being in range of Leona on a champ with no escapes.

That's all.
I get that you are of a different opinion and that's okay. You can believe in what you want.


Any braindead donkey could do any of those plays in any of those clips. LoL isn't mechnically a hard game to play.
You were the one that mentioned that clip. That was one clip out of the whole video and as I said he was stunlocked for most of it it was mostly shown because of how awesome it was that he survived with 50 hp and killed. Yeah no shit xpecial and chaox made mistakes, but you can find mistakes in any clip of any highlight video, nobody plays perfectly. Aphro didn't either, getting hit by that first leona E. It was still a nice dodge (I can't see many players even expecting to have enough time to try when getting leona combo'd, he probably spam clicked to the right in anticipation of the slight gap and the ezrael combo).
The "clean-up" in itself was pretty fast reactions, you have to E+W+ignite+auto+Q and get the kill within a 1.5 second sona stun. If you want to post your own clips of you pulling off shit like that to prove anyone can do then be my guest.

I'm not sure how you managed to sound like a dick while basically saying the same thing I did.

Must be because you brought the "YOU ARE SO BAD IM SURE YOU CANT DO THAT" argument in a post admitting that LoL is mechanically easy, and that everyone actually CAN do that.

You should get your logic goggles examined.

Bleh, I'm starting to argue, so this is my last post on this matter. gl hf.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 23:30:54
October 03 2012 23:28 GMT
#1903
But Nidalee doesn't wear underwear. Might be just one of the skins, I forget.

On October 04 2012 06:43 Kenpachi wrote:
so what i got from guides and places is that no one counters katarina anymore

Best I've seen is Morg for smurfing, but still think a good Kat beats a good Morg. I suspect some really dumb laners like Yorick would do fine.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
October 03 2012 23:30 GMT
#1904
On October 04 2012 08:23 qtiehunter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 08:12 Seuss wrote:
I'm still shocked that we haven't seen Sivir reworked yet. She literally has the worst model in the game by a landslide.

http://www.lolking.net/models/?champion=15&skin=0


I just dragged it around and...


hehe twitch and zilean

+ Show Spoiler +
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Hey! Listen!
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 03 2012 23:36 GMT
#1905
On October 04 2012 08:28 Craton wrote:
But Nidalee doesn't wear underwear. Might be just one of the skins, I forget.

Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 06:43 Kenpachi wrote:
so what i got from guides and places is that no one counters katarina anymore

Best I've seen is Morg for smurfing, but still think a good Kat beats a good Morg. I suspect some really dumb laners like Yorick would do fine.


Diana and Ahri do pretty well against Katarina.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 23:38:17
October 03 2012 23:37 GMT
#1906
Ahri gets completely dunked on. I haven't played the matchup as Diana so IDK.
twitch.tv/cratonz
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 23:38:20
October 03 2012 23:37 GMT
#1907
On October 04 2012 07:37 WhiteDog wrote:
Aphromo is good but isn't playing Draven and the rat is kinda cheesy ? They seem awfully strong in some situation but just plain bad in others, which makes them situational carry and Aphromo just use that.
I'm not sure Aphromo is at the Doublelift / chaox level without using unexpected carry, never seen him do wonder in a serious match with ez, corki or graves but maybe I'm just wrong.

How is playing unconventional ADCs cheesy? If he can use them and outplay the big 3, I don't understand how that's a bad thing. Also his Ez is pretty good. I guess this is just me getting kind of annoyed the way the word "cheese" gets thrown around in such a negative connotation. Anything that breaks the meta these days is cheesy by a lot of people's standards.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 03 2012 23:38 GMT
#1908
Diana is decent vs Kat imo, but not a counter by any means.

New Kat so strong T.T
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 03 2012 23:39 GMT
#1909
Twitch may be slightly cheesey, but Draven is a standard pick.
twitch.tv/cratonz
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 03 2012 23:39 GMT
#1910
On October 04 2012 08:37 Craton wrote:
Ahri gets completely dunked on. I haven't played the matchup as Diana so IDK.


Diana loses early. At level 6 it's just a skill match up but I'd give Diana upper hand.

If Kat ults too early Diana will just E her. If Kat ults after Diana has already popped E then she's probably dead unless she rushed MR and/or Diana got chunked down too hard early.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
October 03 2012 23:44 GMT
#1911
diana loses pre 6 but kat has no way of forcing a kill.
post 6 and or blue buff diana destroys kat.
Hey! Listen!
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 03 2012 23:44 GMT
#1912
On October 04 2012 08:37 Craton wrote:
Ahri gets completely dunked on. I haven't played the matchup as Diana so IDK.


Ahri just needs to max W first. Ahri out trades Katarina in lane and she has free sustain. It's not the most difficult match up for Ahri by any means.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23404 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 23:52:37
October 03 2012 23:50 GMT
#1913
On October 04 2012 08:26 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 08:16 Slayer91 wrote:
On October 04 2012 08:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 04 2012 07:54 Slayer91 wrote:
What confuses me is that I put forth a scene analysis and give you my thoughts and then your counterpoints seem to be
"are you serious?"
"that's just bull"
etc

It's not like I'm trying to win the argument here I'm just putting forth my view and am curious why someone else would think differently, you seem to keep your stance but don't explain why. I've tried to explain my stance and you've still given me nothing but random passive aggressive comments.
If I wanted to argue for the sake of arguing I'd be in general forum right now huehue.

You were impying Xpecial/Chaox making a mistake was a merit of Aphromoo being a good player - and it isn't.
Aphro had NO way of getting out of that by his own actions, no matter how you want to look at him walking half a step towards his tower.

Xpecial didn't lock him properly, Chaox's W was a tiny bit off to the left (he would've definetly still hit if he fired EXACTLY where Aphro got zenith bladed at, didn't move far enough)
Tiny things like that happen, but because that damage didn't go through, Aphro survived by a sliver of hp. Also the AS slow.

I'm saying that has nothing to do with him. A braindead donkey could've rightclicked at that point and probably killed them, or at least chaox, with all their cooldowns blown.

The clip in no way showed Aphro being a good player. He was lucky and got to clean up on a messed up all-in.
An all-in he could've avoided by not being in range of Leona on a champ with no escapes.

That's all.
I get that you are of a different opinion and that's okay. You can believe in what you want.


Any braindead donkey could do any of those plays in any of those clips. LoL isn't mechnically a hard game to play.
You were the one that mentioned that clip. That was one clip out of the whole video and as I said he was stunlocked for most of it it was mostly shown because of how awesome it was that he survived with 50 hp and killed. Yeah no shit xpecial and chaox made mistakes, but you can find mistakes in any clip of any highlight video, nobody plays perfectly. Aphro didn't either, getting hit by that first leona E. It was still a nice dodge (I can't see many players even expecting to have enough time to try when getting leona combo'd, he probably spam clicked to the right in anticipation of the slight gap and the ezrael combo).
The "clean-up" in itself was pretty fast reactions, you have to E+W+ignite+auto+Q and get the kill within a 1.5 second sona stun. If you want to post your own clips of you pulling off shit like that to prove anyone can do then be my guest.

I'm not sure how you managed to sound like a dick while basically saying the same thing I did.

Must be because you brought the "YOU ARE SO BAD IM SURE YOU CANT DO THAT" argument in a post admitting that LoL is mechanically easy, and that everyone actually CAN do that.

You should get your logic goggles examined.

Bleh, I'm starting to argue, so this is my last post on this matter. gl hf.


You missed my point there though. Being able to do something like that and pulling it off against the best team in the continent is a whole another thing. That's because judgement and decision making is what LoL is. If you can't appreciate that then I don't see how any highlight video of LoL can be impressive to you.

It's not quite the difference between trying to punch a bag and trying to punch mike tyson, but it's similar I think.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 00:02:47
October 03 2012 23:54 GMT
#1914
Doesn't Swain get dunked though if Katarina manages to get ahead (early kills, ganks, etc.), since she can reduce his damage through shunpo (ult included) and his healing through her ult?

Also I'd love to hear TOO and Aphromoo both commentate on plays.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 03 2012 23:56 GMT
#1915
On October 04 2012 08:54 Alaric wrote:
Doesn't Swain get dunked though if Katarina manages to get ahead (early kills, ganks, etc.), since she can reduce his damage through shunpo (ult included) and his healing through her ult?


I always feel that Swain dunks on a lot of lanes but he is not that great beyond the laning phase.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 04 2012 00:00 GMT
#1916
On October 04 2012 08:56 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 08:54 Alaric wrote:
Doesn't Swain get dunked though if Katarina manages to get ahead (early kills, ganks, etc.), since she can reduce his damage through shunpo (ult included) and his healing through her ult?


I always feel that Swain dunks on a lot of lanes but he is not that great beyond the laning phase.


It doesn't really matter even if Swain beats a lot of mids in a straight 1v1. Most mids whom he beats can just shove the lane into his face, then go roam and exert map pressure. Swain has to either slowly last hit or follow behind them with his stupid limp. And if he chooses to do that then he's giving up CS.
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 00:04:39
October 04 2012 00:01 GMT
#1917
On October 04 2012 08:36 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 08:28 Craton wrote:
But Nidalee doesn't wear underwear. Might be just one of the skins, I forget.

On October 04 2012 06:43 Kenpachi wrote:
so what i got from guides and places is that no one counters katarina anymore

Best I've seen is Morg for smurfing, but still think a good Kat beats a good Morg. I suspect some really dumb laners like Yorick would do fine.


Diana and Ahri do pretty well against Katarina.


Diana should crush Kat since it should be impossible for Kat to ult Diana. Fiddlesticks and Kassadin are also quite good.

edit: Swain was really good vs old Kat but I have no idea how he matches up after the remake.
Stay positive!
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 04 2012 00:02 GMT
#1918
On October 04 2012 09:00 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 08:56 Sufficiency wrote:
On October 04 2012 08:54 Alaric wrote:
Doesn't Swain get dunked though if Katarina manages to get ahead (early kills, ganks, etc.), since she can reduce his damage through shunpo (ult included) and his healing through her ult?


I always feel that Swain dunks on a lot of lanes but he is not that great beyond the laning phase.


It doesn't really matter even if Swain beats a lot of mids in a straight 1v1. Most mids whom he beats can just shove the lane into his face, then go roam and exert map pressure. Swain has to either slowly last hit or follow behind them with his stupid limp. And if he chooses to do that then he's giving up CS.


Well he can try to W the wave then ult a bit. It's not the best clear but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Against Katarina though it's kind of hard for her to shove because her W is nearly melee range.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 04 2012 00:13 GMT
#1919
On October 04 2012 09:01 remedium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 08:36 Sufficiency wrote:
On October 04 2012 08:28 Craton wrote:
But Nidalee doesn't wear underwear. Might be just one of the skins, I forget.

On October 04 2012 06:43 Kenpachi wrote:
so what i got from guides and places is that no one counters katarina anymore

Best I've seen is Morg for smurfing, but still think a good Kat beats a good Morg. I suspect some really dumb laners like Yorick would do fine.


Diana and Ahri do pretty well against Katarina.


Diana should crush Kat since it should be impossible for Kat to ult Diana. Fiddlesticks and Kassadin are also quite good.

edit: Swain was really good vs old Kat but I have no idea how he matches up after the remake.

after the rework swain is even stronger vs kat now cause her Q can't heal debuff + does tons less damage, she has to get into melee range to trade at all with swain which is the last place you want to be against him
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 04 2012 00:15 GMT
#1920
On October 04 2012 09:01 remedium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 08:36 Sufficiency wrote:
On October 04 2012 08:28 Craton wrote:
But Nidalee doesn't wear underwear. Might be just one of the skins, I forget.

On October 04 2012 06:43 Kenpachi wrote:
so what i got from guides and places is that no one counters katarina anymore

Best I've seen is Morg for smurfing, but still think a good Kat beats a good Morg. I suspect some really dumb laners like Yorick would do fine.


Diana and Ahri do pretty well against Katarina.


Diana should crush Kat since it should be impossible for Kat to ult Diana. Fiddlesticks and Kassadin are also quite good.

edit: Swain was really good vs old Kat but I have no idea how he matches up after the remake.


Kassadin and LeBlanc are no longer good against Katarina because Katarina no longer depends on her ultimate to do damage.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
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