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On October 02 2012 03:45 zulu_nation8 wrote:
you guys are assholes, try being nicer and maybe people wont afk leave 4 games out of 5
the only problem is YOU being nice is still only 1/5 on your team being nice
can't tell you how many solo queue games i've played where i've been supportive, positive, friendly, etc etc etc and still lost because in champ select, summoner 1 and summoner 5 try to drown the other out with racial slurs and cancer threats because summoner 5 "is so tired of aps with bad runes losing easy lanes" and summoner 1 thinks "that noob 5th pick sucks so bad lowest elo i mid or afk"
then there's the people where if you say one thing, even casually or non-aggressively (i.e. after they feed a kill trying to 1v5: "hey can you group up so we can go win?" "lol afk fuck you i carry you gl now f4gl0rd /all push mid i afk"). ego management just too big a portion of solo queue.
anyways, can someone please give me some kha'zix tips? runes/masteries/skill order/evolutions?
i kinda think all his unevolved skills kinda suck except Q, so you're encouraged to max Q in lane... but then all his evolved skills are OP except his Q which is fucking terrible evolved. so you max Q then evolve the rest and wish they were maxed. what do??
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I always go 'Hi I prefer playing jungle/ad carry if possible please  ' and most time than not people are nice enough to let me one of the roles. I do this unless I'm first pick where I just say Hi and tell my team what I'm gonna play.
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On October 02 2012 03:55 Seuss wrote:
I start every game with, "I prefer jungling." If someone ahead of me picks jungle anyway it doesn't bother me, that's their right. What does bother me is when someone who picks at the same time takes my role without saying anything beforehand, giving me 20 seconds or less to reappraise everything and figure out what to do. That's just stupid.
Yup...had that yesterday too...I called mid (my specific line is: "I prefer mid if possible but whateva") and everyone agreed to give it to me except one guy who didn't say anything and was picking with me...instalocks Morgana (surprise surprise) giving me all of 7 seconds to grab the first jungler I see. I did not do very well, having not played Udyr in ages, but somehow I didn't feed as hard as that scumbag did despite trying to help....
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On October 02 2012 03:53 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 03:45 xes wrote:
People who don't call roles because they're comfortable with anything generally are the better players too. Can you justify that statement in any way, because it goes against all common sense. If a player has 2200 elo, can play only jungle and autolosses with everything else, his jungle skill level is above 2200 because his elo is deflated by having to play other roles. If a player has 2200 and can play all roles equally, nothing like that happens. So a 2200 player who can only jungle is better at jungling than a 2200 who can play anything.
Sorry I should've used the word "demand" instead of called in my original statement.
The guys who say "let me support but I'll jungle if we need" are really good at supporting outside of lane because they put wards in useful places and know how to initiate good fights.
The guys who say "TOP TOP TOP ONLY TOP OR FEED" usually play extremely aggressive, even when they shouldn't be, and tend to overextend/die to ganks and then QQ a lot because even though they had an HP lead on their laner and were doing well in an isolated environment, don't play well in a team.
This is also at 1200-1300.
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On October 02 2012 03:57 gtrsrs wrote:
anyways, can someone please give me some kha'zix tips? runes/masteries/skill order/evolutions?
i kinda think all his unevolved skills kinda suck except Q, so you're encouraged to max Q in lane... but then all his evolved skills are OP except his Q which is fucking terrible evolved. so you max Q then evolve the rest and wish they were maxed. what do??
For top lane:
runes - flat AD marks/quints, armor seals, mr/level glyphs
masteries - 21/9/0 max AD damage, I take 3 points in havoc instead of life steal for maximum burst
skill order - against melee aggression, QWQEQ; against anything else, QEQWQ. Max Q -> W -> E
For evolutions, I usually go Q -> E -> W. Q first to win the lane. E next for mobility and roaming. W last because with it you can contribute quite a bit of damage in a teamfight before you go in to assassinate.
It's actually not that hard to proc Q's isolation bonus. The area of being "near someone" is very small, it can be done pretty easily even during a teamfight.
I've been able to bully every single top lane in the early game except for lee sin. But I haven't been able to play all of the top laners yet. Champs that get armor are a problem if you don't get early kills (cho, malphite). Strong early bruisers can be a problem like Darius/Olaf, but they are bad at escaping ganks meanwhile you're awesome at escaping ganks, so just get a gank to start snowballing.
If against a champion that likes to get in your face (riven/xin zhao/jax), just wait until they jump in, then Q-auto-W-E away.
Once you hit 6 and get ult + evolved Q you can kill anyone from 100-0 with a full combo. Just wait for the minion line to thin out, then when they're isolated jump right on top of them and Q-auto-R-auto-Q-R-auto-ignite, easy kill. I've found the best time for this is when they push minions to your tower, and you use tower kill most of them before the next wave arrives.
Just remember the golden rule: every time you attack a champion, go back in the bush. No melee champ can out-trade you when you Q-auto with passive up.
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On October 02 2012 03:48 h3r1n6 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 03:45 xes wrote:
People who don't call roles because they're comfortable with anything generally are the better players too. Nah. I guess it is your desired property of a good player to be comfortable with anything. In any even semi-serious team, you want everyone to specialise in one role and not swap roles around. Why would you practice a bit of everything in solo queue then? I will always recommend specialising in one role over playing all roles. That is not to say you can't play other roles, but you will ask for that role every time in champ select and will take it every time you are first pick.
There's a vast difference in the best route of improvement for an already highly-rated player, and for people on the majority of the ladder.
The vast majority of solo queue consists of people who would advance their overall level of play much more quickly having exposure to everything than shoehorning themselves into one role.
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People who demand a role seem to be on tilt before the game starts. Most of the times I notice the guys who say they can only play one role (usually lying according to their match history) play super aggro, then die to ganks or get out played. Then they blame their team and proceed to maintain aggression despite being behind.
They also seem to be the people who go "lol, used flash to kill me noob"
Anecdotal evidence, but still quite consistent in my experience. My personal favorite is "im 2200 elo this is a smurf" and then they proceed to get wrecked in lane.
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On October 02 2012 03:45 zulu_nation8 wrote:
you guys are assholes, try being nicer and maybe people wont afk leave 4 games out of 5
you are probably right, lol. Still, it is the principle that bothers me. I will usually give a role request if they do so nicely and without a sense of entitlement because they called it. Otherwise, I figure I am doing them a favor by helping them understand the way the world works. I mean, you dont get promotions at work because you called it.
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I generally start champ select with "top or jungle preferred, will fill if necessary", and then pick what I want and is open on my turn. I rarely get complaints via this method.
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On October 02 2012 04:22 TheYango wrote:
The vast majority of solo queue consists of people who would advance their overall level of play much more quickly having exposure to everything than shoehorning themselves into one role.
Yea, at 1200, my wins are almost never determined by the sum of players' laning ability/mechanical skill. I've lost games where our mid Ahri never missed a charm in lane and got super fed, but then would just Dora the Explorer all day and die random, and won games where Morg couldn't land a binding to save her life, but understood when she could safely flash ult onto the enemy team that was too pressed up and cause them to panic and not attack us and generally derp around.
When you've played all roles you get better intuition for what champions can do and thus how teamfights can happen/what beneficial scenarios you can put your team in. This probably is no longer true at high elo since everyone has that basic understanding of how the game works and thus specialization improves skill more, but at lower elo basic understanding of the game is quite lacking.
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On October 02 2012 04:24 WirelessWaffle wrote:Anecdotal evidence, but still quite consistent in my experience. My personal favorite is "im 2200 elo this is a smurf" and then they proceed to get wrecked in lane.
My experience is that the real 2200 elo smurfs don't tell you until they're 10-0 6 minutes into the game.
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On October 02 2012 04:24 WirelessWaffle wrote:
People who demand a role seem to be on tilt before the game starts. Most of the times I notice the guys who say they can only play one role (usually lying according to their match history) play super aggro, then die to ganks or get out played. Then they blame their team and proceed to maintain aggression despite being behind.
They also seem to be the people who go "lol, used flash to kill me noob"
Anecdotal evidence, but still quite consistent in my experience. My personal favorite is "im 2200 elo this is a smurf" and then they proceed to get wrecked in lane.
Super aggro is very, very common at low elo's. These people are recklessly aggressive because when people haven't faced it before, they usually feed epicly, and then snowball and win. But when it doesn't work, or they get ganked, they don't know how to play defensively and thus snowball in the other direction.
I don't think I've seen a single 2k player lose to a 1200. They might give up first blood due to jungle ganks, but they won't lose lane because they know how to play defensively, and just outfarm the guy through superior mechanics. Even when up a level, you still need to pick opportunities well unless you can straight up combo the guy.
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On October 02 2012 04:31 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 04:24 WirelessWaffle wrote:Anecdotal evidence, but still quite consistent in my experience. My personal favorite is "im 2200 elo this is a smurf" and then they proceed to get wrecked in lane. My experience is that the real 2200 elo smurfs don't tell you until they're 10-0 6 minutes into the game.
This.
Almost everyone that said "im a x elo smuf" in champselect massively failed and fed to hell and back.
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I just say something like "support/top/jungle" and usually that works fine. I have had a few games where I'm forced to mid/AD... and that's just unfortunately bad. I guess I should maybe practice the others some more, but I feel like I have little enough practice on my "main" roles.
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I just type "mid plz". I pick mid if it's my turn. If it's already taken I usually play support, and more rarely some of the other roles.
Last time I played Skarnar in ranked I couldn't press R until the 13th minute 
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2700 ELO SMURF SUPPORT OR I AFK
it confuses the fuck out of people.
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Jesus fucking Christ Nid does way more damage than she should.
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On October 01 2012 21:58 Sabin010 wrote:
I see Talon as a champ that just goes mid to counter skill shot reliant APs. Some teams compositions can get away with having an AD mid, you just need a Taric or Corki bottom +1 other source of Armour shred. The second source can come from Wukong/J4 etc. top lane, or a Shyvanna in the jungle. With the silence gap closer from Talon he should be able to get on the guy who's shredded and take him out of the fight quickly. Then you just get your AP damage from the jungle or top.
Is it just me or does Corki seem to outclass all the AD carrys right now? Certain ADs may be able to fill a niche that he can't, (Varus/Ashe come to mind with their ultimates for team fights)or do a little more damage, Kog/Vayne (those w steriods), but as far as an over all well rounded kit I don't see any of the others being close to as good as his.
The problem is that Talon doesn't really counter anyone except maybe Lux. Almost all AP mids out-trades Talon after the AP gets a chain vest and run flat armor yellows.
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On October 01 2012 17:18 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 17:01 Sufficiency wrote:
Can someone tell me why Akali is more acceptable as a top laner than mid? In my mind Akali feels stronger mid because she has more rooms for roaming; she also has a lot of easy match ups because of her stupid sustain.... what did I miss here? She's fine mid and fine top, I've never heard anyone say she can't go mid... There are plenty of mids who can really make her day suck though, just from range advantage and forcing her out before 6. It a lot easier for her when her lane opponent has to come out from under tower to CS and she has the range advantage and ability to ranged farm to make up for that shitty phase. Plus why would you go akali mid when diana exists
Well:
Diana is often banned.
Diana's Q is a skillshot; Akali's Q is targeted and does more damage if the mark is triggered.
So what you said is what I felt as well, but I just really don't understand why people take her to the top lane. It just seems awkward.
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Re Pokemon:
I was reasonably decent in 4th Gen. No clue about 5th Gen nonsense.
Re Betting and Odds:
The odds are not about who will win. The odds represents what the bookkeepers think everyone else believes will win. The bookkeepers are not playing the system. They are playing against the people who are placing bets. They know people will go for TSM and CLG simply because of their name and blind love rather than facts. Therefore, the odds need to be lower to compensate for the tail risk involved.
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