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On October 09 2012 09:01 phyvo wrote:
Archimedes IIRC thought that numbers were reality. dan dun DUUUN!!!!
In any case it's really easy for people to blow something like little numbers out of proportion. I'm not upset by numbers, I'm merely sadly shaking my head since I know that people (including myself, hence the blurb) often fail to see the forest of being nice to people for the tree of self-righteous achievement manifested in a number.
Sure, people do get overly attached to them, but that's the case for almost anything in the game that is expressed numerically and aggregated.
You probably have experienced how excited people get over someone (their team or not) scoring an unexpected pentakill. There's nothing intrinsically special about it (compared to splitting the kills), it's just something that is rare and gets a special announcement -- and yet people will get really excited when it does happen, and very jumpy if e.g. the support gets the last hit off.
People also love their pointless "special" skins (much cooler than a skin that can be bought!), ELO badges (hey, I met a completely arbitrary goal!), and at my ELO they constantly gloat over superior kill/death ratios while ignoring much more important questions (contribution to winning).
I guess I just didn't expect anyone to be surprised that introducing honor points would have this kind of effect. It is, as others pointed out, exactly the same idea as arbitrary "achievements" that almost every game seems to have now, the main difference being (IMO) that the honor system was explicitly engineered to change player in a mutually beneficial way -- and using rewards instead of just punishment (the ban system) is actually a good way to do so.
The whole "we won! gibe me honor!" after every game does get a little tiresome, but if people act friendlier in-game, it's worth it -- regardless of whether they're doing it because of the honor system or not.
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On October 09 2012 10:16 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 10:12 Parnage wrote:On October 09 2012 10:02 Craton wrote:On October 09 2012 09:54 Parnage wrote:
Naut support is so underground he's submerged. He's just as good as Leona support and he's got an anchor which in my book makes him better.
You are smoking some really good stuff to think Naut support is as strong as Leona. Leona's and Naut's spells are essentially just as good as the others when you take two seconds to consider it. Her gapcloser is his pull and gapcloser Her shield is his shield and dot to mobs Her stun is his passive root The ults are essentially a matter of travel time targeted versus a planted dodgeble ult. The only real reason you'd play Leona over Naut is her passive being a damage boon. Even then Naut get's damage off with his shield on with the dot Please stop informing people. Support Naut and support Volibear are like 100% support carries up to 1800. I like my sleeper OP.
Support Voli always surprises me. It makes no sense, but it's so strong :\
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On October 09 2012 10:06 IMoperator wrote:
quick who wins 1v1 top wukong or xin?
I believe xin. I'm speaking from very poor experience, but he should run out of mana if he tries to trade favorably with you, as xin does some crazy damage.
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10 movespeed isn't that huge. Neither is the 6 or so more starting armor.
Leona's E is shorter ranged.
Her shield is awesome because at max rank it gives something like 70 mr/armor his is just as awesome as his scales off of his health and a potential to get stronger.
I am not saying Leona is bad I am just saying Naut is just as awesome as she is. *shrug* If you don't feel the same way, hey that's your opinion but his support is awesome.
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I generally try to stand up for Riot, but if that's true... damn.
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Hold up, support talk over. Umm what. I call bullshit. That's so overthetop stupid and near impossible to enforce it can't be true. Can it?
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On October 09 2012 10:16 Alaric wrote:
Leona's E goes through minions, her shield will stay regardless of the damage she takes, her passive gives a huge burst in lane and she's got better stats (esp. MS) overall. Also the armor/MR bonus from her W is huge compared to Naut's HP bonus.
And that's not even to say how much better she is at initiating with ult.
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I'm one of the people who goes to Barcraft Bostons often, and yeah, they were trying to organize dual-game barcraft (which I was really excited about)... This sucks.
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Hmm if that rumor is true, it'd be incredibly disappointing and honestly, very shady behavior by Riot.
I'm not going to take it 100% at face value though because for all we know, it could just be false rumors spreading.
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Anyone else wondering why this is coming up like a month later? after this facebook post?
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On October 09 2012 10:37 sylverfyre wrote:I'm one of the people who goes to Barcraft Bostons often, and yeah, they were trying to organize dual-game barcraft (which I was really excited about)... This sucks.
As someone currently living in Mass. (Springfield), I would like to learn more about this "Boston Barcraft" you speak of.
Also, that's stupid. Riot showing, once again, how naive they are about e-sports (if it's true)
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On October 09 2012 10:39 wei2coolman wrote:Anyone else wondering why this is coming up like a month later? after this facebook post?
Cause Total Biscuit is pretty mad at Riot these days, and has 120,000+ followers.
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On October 09 2012 10:46 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 10:39 wei2coolman wrote:Anyone else wondering why this is coming up like a month later? after this facebook post? Cause Total Biscuit is pretty mad at Riot these days, and has 120,000+ followers.
TB? Irrationally mad and vengeful and wielding his epeen with the force of a thousand 12 year olds throwing tantrums?
Say it ain't so.
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I don't remember TB being so crazed years ago. I mean hints of it yeah, but I think being a Youtube producer has just driven him mad with too many nights reading youtube comments. That's enough to drive anyone to rage and hatred of humanity.
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On October 09 2012 10:24 Parnage wrote:
10 movespeed isn't that huge. Neither is the 6 or so more starting armor.
Leona's E is shorter ranged.
Her shield is awesome because at max rank it gives something like 70 mr/armor his is just as awesome as his scales off of his health and a potential to get stronger.
I am not saying Leona is bad I am just saying Naut is just as awesome as she is. *shrug* If you don't feel the same way, hey that's your opinion but his support is awesome.
10 MS puts leona solidly faster than the AD carries she's going up against (who mostly have 300-305 MS) and her E going through creeps makes it INFINITELY easier to land when you're trying to engage in lane.
Furthermore, support items generally involve building mostly max HP and relatively little armor/MR (Everything kindlegem is HP, HOG is HP, Aegis is even amounts of everything) making Leona's free defenses far more valuable to a support than Nautilus' long-CD shield.
6 level 1 armor is a lot bigger than you're making it out to be, too... that's like another whole autoattack to kill you in level 1 or 2 engagements, everything else being equal. (500 HP, +6% EHP vs physical -> 30 more HP. Autos level 1 do 30-50 damage, depending on whether its AD carry or toplaner or AP/support.)
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Some day, I'm gonna fly to the Riot HQ, and bash the head of the guy that doesn't understand that their "exclusivity" fetish also means that tournaments/barcrafts that rather have other games will just NOT pick up LoL, and not give a fuck in the process.
Can't be that hard.
On October 09 2012 10:52 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 10:24 Parnage wrote:
10 movespeed isn't that huge. Neither is the 6 or so more starting armor.
Leona's E is shorter ranged.
Her shield is awesome because at max rank it gives something like 70 mr/armor his is just as awesome as his scales off of his health and a potential to get stronger.
I am not saying Leona is bad I am just saying Naut is just as awesome as she is. *shrug* If you don't feel the same way, hey that's your opinion but his support is awesome. 10 MS puts leona solidly faster than the AD carries she's going up against (who mostly have 300-305 MS) and her E going through creeps makes it INFINITELY easier to land when you're trying to engage in lane. [...]
That's nice, and I'mma let you finsih, but it really doesn't matter when you have a faerie and the AD has boots.
You're not gonna be faster than the AD, ever.
By the time you have boots1, he should have boots2. By the time you got boots2.... Just kidding, you'll never have boots2 on a support. But he'd have PD / TF by that time anyways.
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If you want to argue the viability of naut support argue against blitz.They both suffer from inability to initiate through minions but leona can. IMO that difference on when she make plays compared to naut/blitz makes them impossible to compare.
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On October 09 2012 10:57 Bwaaaa wrote:
If you want to argue the viability of naut support argue against blitz.They both suffer from inability to initiate through minions but leona can. IMO that difference on when she make plays compared to naut/blitz makes them impossible to compare.
Are you trying to argue that blitz is not viable support? or not as viable as leona?
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On October 09 2012 10:19 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 10:16 Zdrastochye wrote:On October 09 2012 10:12 Parnage wrote:On October 09 2012 10:02 Craton wrote:On October 09 2012 09:54 Parnage wrote:
Naut support is so underground he's submerged. He's just as good as Leona support and he's got an anchor which in my book makes him better.
You are smoking some really good stuff to think Naut support is as strong as Leona. Leona's and Naut's spells are essentially just as good as the others when you take two seconds to consider it. Her gapcloser is his pull and gapcloser Her shield is his shield and dot to mobs Her stun is his passive root The ults are essentially a matter of travel time targeted versus a planted dodgeble ult. The only real reason you'd play Leona over Naut is her passive being a damage boon. Even then Naut get's damage off with his shield on with the dot Please stop informing people. Support Naut and support Volibear are like 100% support carries up to 1800. I like my sleeper OP. Support Voli always surprises me. It makes no sense, but it's so strong :\
I think it might have something to do with me getting scared of a fucking bear running at me, but I always lose lane to support voli 
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