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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On October 09 2012 08:15 petered wrote: Except that it is willfully given by another person rather than won. So actually it is nothing like elo or win rates. Wait, what was your point again? Not if you're a dick and people troll honor you. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On October 09 2012 08:35 bmn wrote: You're playing a computer game. It all boils down to numbers. It's all arguably useless, unless you're earning your salary by playing; there's nothing wrong with caring about it. Archimedes IIRC thought that numbers were reality. dan dun DUUUN!!!! In any case it's really easy for people to blow something like little numbers out of proportion. I'm not upset by numbers, I'm merely sadly shaking my head since I know that people (including myself, hence the blurb) often fail to see the forest of being nice to people for the tree of self-righteous achievement manifested in a number. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On October 09 2012 07:16 Dark_Chill wrote: Mid does have a pretty big effect on the game though. They have easier access to the other lanes than the other members of the team, and usually pack a good amount of cc to help the team out. heh heh. well there's no real use getting in an argument over which role is really the most important in a team game everyone has their own preference and playstyle.  | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
What's with those champions icons? How did you get them, because some of them look pretty cool. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 09 2012 09:16 ticklishmusic wrote: heh heh. well there's no real use getting in an argument over which role is really the most important in a team game everyone has their own preference and playstyle. Well, by virtue of whose abilities have the biggest impact on any given engagement, the answer is generally the tanky initiator (in the current meta, generally jungles like Naut, Amumu, or Malphite) or the support. Especially when it comes to support, using your abilities correctly and on the right person is generally the difference between victory and defeat. You keep the carries alive with healing, shields, buffs, and peeling enemies off them, and you make enemies easier to kill with CC and debuffs. It's also generally the reason Riot doesn't like Supports doing too much damage or being solo laners, because stupid utility + damage is a strong combination. That said, having the largest impact != instant win. You rely on your allies to do damage still, obviously. | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On October 09 2012 09:01 phyvo wrote: Archimedes IIRC thought that numbers were reality. dan dun DUUUN!!!! In any case it's really easy for people to blow something like little numbers out of proportion. I'm not upset by numbers, I'm merely sadly shaking my head since I know that people (including myself, hence the blurb) often fail to see the forest of being nice to people for the tree of self-righteous achievement manifested in a number. Ha, I didn't even mean to disagree with you, I was seriously just confused about your original point. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On October 09 2012 09:25 Requizen wrote: It's also generally the reason Riot doesn't like Supports doing too much damage or being solo laners, because stupid utility + damage is a strong combination. I still don't get this design philosophy, especially if they don't want to "endorse" the meta. (Which also seems silly too, as during Worlds they were clearly identifying each player as their position when those positions are just conceived through the meta as well.) I think it's cool to have characters who can do multiple roles, and the current heroes who can both mid and support are still obviously biased towards one role. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On October 09 2012 09:01 phyvo wrote: Archimedes IIRC thought that numbers were reality. dan dun DUUUN!!!! Eh, but maybe reality isn't useful? Something to think about. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On October 09 2012 09:35 kainzero wrote: I still don't get this design philosophy, especially if they don't want to "endorse" the meta. (Which also seems silly too, as during Worlds they were clearly identifying each player as their position when those positions are just conceived through the meta as well.) I think it's cool to have characters who can do multiple roles, and the current heroes who can both mid and support are still obviously biased towards one role. unfortunately part of the problem is that its hard to balance a champion for more than one role, if you buff the supporty spells on a champion too much then generally the ap side of them becomes too strong too quickly even with other roles, if you buff their jungling ability then usually it impacts their top laning or supporting a lot | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 09 2012 09:35 kainzero wrote: I still don't get this design philosophy, especially if they don't want to "endorse" the meta. (Which also seems silly too, as during Worlds they were clearly identifying each player as their position when those positions are just conceived through the meta as well.) I think it's cool to have characters who can do multiple roles, and the current heroes who can both mid and support are still obviously biased towards one role. Still, if you gave supports their current level of utility (CC, healing, buffs/debuffs) alongside a comparable level of damage, there's be no reason not to play them in most roles other than preference. Either they need to always have lower damage to compensate, or higher damage champs need higher CC to compensate the same way. I like supports where they are, honestly. Leona is one of my favorites to play with/against, like Naut with no damage and high CC, very fun and different. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On October 09 2012 09:00 Ferrose wrote: Not if you're a dick and people troll honor you. doesnt matter got honor | ||
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Craton
United States17300 Posts
On October 09 2012 09:54 Parnage wrote: Naut support is so underground he's submerged. He's just as good as Leona support and he's got an anchor which in my book makes him better. You are smoking some really good stuff to think Naut support is as strong as Leona. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On October 09 2012 10:02 Craton wrote: You are smoking some really good stuff to think Naut support is as strong as Leona. Leona's and Naut's spells are essentially just as good as the others when you take two seconds to consider it. Her gapcloser is his pull and gapcloser Her shield is his shield and dot to mobs Her stun is his passive root The ults are essentially a matter of travel time targeted versus a planted dodgeble ult. The only real reason you'd play Leona over Naut is her passive being a damage boon. Even then Naut get's damage off with his shield on with the dot | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On October 09 2012 10:12 Parnage wrote: Leona's and Naut's spells are essentially just as good as the others when you take two seconds to consider it. Her gapcloser is his pull and gapcloser Her shield is his shield and dot to mobs Her stun is his passive root The ults are essentially a matter of travel time targeted versus a planted dodgeble ult. The only real reason you'd play Leona over Naut is her passive being a damage boon. Even then Naut get's damage off with his shield on with the dot Please stop informing people. Support Naut and support Volibear are like 100% support carries up to 1800. I like my sleeper OP. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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