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On September 19 2012 03:18 Keniji wrote:
Why do people always show when they see the other teams jungler in the bush? Like when the lane bush is warded. Let their jungler waste time? NO! better skillshot him so he knows we know.
And it's not uncommon, it literally happens every single game.
I guess it's just the normal egoistic play.
Might fit into the QQ but it's actually more like a observation I made than a rant.
Most of the time, it's either force the jungler out, or get zoned out in lane. solo queue players rather push jungler out than get zoned for 3minutes.
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On September 19 2012 03:21 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:18 Keniji wrote:
Why do people always show when they see the other teams jungler in the bush? Like when the lane bush is warded. Let their jungler waste time? NO! better skillshot him so he knows we know.
And it's not uncommon, it literally happens every single game.
I guess it's just the normal egoistic play.
Might fit into the QQ but it's actually more like a observation I made than a rant.
Most of the time, it's either force the jungler out, or get zoned out in lane. solo queue players rather push jungler out than get zoned for 3minutes.
From an (allied) jungler's perspective, it's better if they don't tell. If the laner baits the enemy jungle out, it's 2v1 (or 3v2) but not a surprise, then I as the allied jungler get to come in, making it a 2v2 (or 3v3) with the element of surprise on our side. Proper way to deal with seeing a gank coming, imo.
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On September 19 2012 03:24 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:21 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2012 03:18 Keniji wrote:
Why do people always show when they see the other teams jungler in the bush? Like when the lane bush is warded. Let their jungler waste time? NO! better skillshot him so he knows we know.
And it's not uncommon, it literally happens every single game.
I guess it's just the normal egoistic play.
Might fit into the QQ but it's actually more like a observation I made than a rant.
Most of the time, it's either force the jungler out, or get zoned out in lane. solo queue players rather push jungler out than get zoned for 3minutes. From an (allied) jungler's perspective, it's better if they don't tell. If the laner baits the enemy jungle out, it's 2v1 (or 3v2) but not a surprise, then I as the allied jungler get to come in, making it a 2v2 (or 3v3) with the element of surprise on our side. Proper way to deal with seeing a gank coming, imo.
that's the thing. There is a reason the jungler (almost) always leaves when you show him you know. But yea, SoloQ. Better not waste a few cs.
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On September 19 2012 03:18 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't remember anyone doing the BT stacking until 2 weeks after hotfix, and it didn't become ridiculously popular until the Riven FotM (which happened after Nasus FotM, cause Riven straight up countered Nasus top).
FotMs are essentially the result of things that were discovered upwards of a month prior by high Elo players trickling down to lower Elo play. When a FotM happens is generally long after the necessary theorycraft/developments for the success of the champion are already in place, and as such are not really any good for gauging when a champion got "figured out".
As an example, Doublelift picked up on W-max Ezreal from Chinese play LONG before Ezreal became FotM, it's just that nobody on NA watches Asian tournaments, so it only became FotM after CLG came back to play in a major American tournament.
In this case, all the necessary developments for Riven play were already figured out before the hotfix. The hotfix didn't speed up anyone figuring out how to play her because all that figuring out was done already before the hotfix.
On September 19 2012 03:24 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:21 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2012 03:18 Keniji wrote:
Why do people always show when they see the other teams jungler in the bush? Like when the lane bush is warded. Let their jungler waste time? NO! better skillshot him so he knows we know.
And it's not uncommon, it literally happens every single game.
I guess it's just the normal egoistic play.
Might fit into the QQ but it's actually more like a observation I made than a rant.
Most of the time, it's either force the jungler out, or get zoned out in lane. solo queue players rather push jungler out than get zoned for 3minutes. From an (allied) jungler's perspective, it's better if they don't tell. If the laner baits the enemy jungle out, it's 2v1 (or 3v2) but not a surprise, then I as the allied jungler get to come in, making it a 2v2 (or 3v3) with the element of surprise on our side. Proper way to deal with seeing a gank coming, imo.
Of course it's the "better" play, but if you're in solo queue and you can't rely on your team to make plays based on the fact that the enemy jungler is wasting time (your jungler is too thick-headed to counterjungle or counter-gank while their jungler is wasting time), you'd rather just make their jungler leave so you can CS.
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does it make me an internet duche bag if I sit in post game lobbies hoping for inter team trash talk when I win?
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On September 19 2012 03:37 Slusher wrote:
does it make me an internet duche bag if I sit in post game lobbies hoping for inter team trash talk when I win?
Not if they started it.
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On September 19 2012 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Yorick pre-buff was atrociously hard to play. He really did need the buff. Riven buffs were unnecessary. She was perfectly balanced on release, maybe just needed that bug fix. But I'm glad they did buff her though, it accelerated the growth of how Riven was suppose to be played out, meaning people discovered her full potential early on.
Can't really compare imo. each champ has their own niche. Some of their niches are smaller than others, so there is less chance of seeing them played, but that's not to say these champs are "weaker" by any means.
How did the buffs make him easier to play?
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On September 19 2012 03:38 epoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Yorick pre-buff was atrociously hard to play. He really did need the buff. Riven buffs were unnecessary. She was perfectly balanced on release, maybe just needed that bug fix. But I'm glad they did buff her though, it accelerated the growth of how Riven was suppose to be played out, meaning people discovered her full potential early on.
Can't really compare imo. each champ has their own niche. Some of their niches are smaller than others, so there is less chance of seeing them played, but that's not to say these champs are "weaker" by any means. How did the buffs make him easier to play?
they took away all of his mana constraints.
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On September 19 2012 03:38 epoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Yorick pre-buff was atrociously hard to play. He really did need the buff. Riven buffs were unnecessary. She was perfectly balanced on release, maybe just needed that bug fix. But I'm glad they did buff her though, it accelerated the growth of how Riven was suppose to be played out, meaning people discovered her full potential early on.
Can't really compare imo. each champ has their own niche. Some of their niches are smaller than others, so there is less chance of seeing them played, but that's not to say these champs are "weaker" by any means. How did the buffs make him easier to play?
Pretty much everything in his kit got buffed. Lower mana costs, faster MS, more health, more mana, fixed bugs about his omens not working properly, just pretty much everything. Made his lane phase much much stronger.
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what about the % DMG REDUX BASED ON NUMBER OF GHOULS OUT
LOL
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On September 19 2012 03:49 Navi wrote:
what about the % DMG REDUX BASED ON NUMBER OF GHOULS OUT
LOL
yea, that too. what a stupid character, riot, remove plz  .
I liked it a lot better when he was borderline unplayable.
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On September 19 2012 03:51 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:49 Navi wrote:
what about the % DMG REDUX BASED ON NUMBER OF GHOULS OUT
LOL yea, that too. what a stupid character, riot, remove plz . I liked it a lot better when he was borderline unplayable.
I have always said, and will maintain, that Yorick is the most poorly designed character in the game.
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On September 19 2012 03:30 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:18 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't remember anyone doing the BT stacking until 2 weeks after hotfix, and it didn't become ridiculously popular until the Riven FotM (which happened after Nasus FotM, cause Riven straight up countered Nasus top). FotMs are essentially the result of things that were discovered upwards of a month prior by high Elo players trickling down to lower Elo play. When a FotM happens is generally long after the necessary theorycraft/developments for the success of the champion are already in place, and as such are not really any good for gauging when a champion got "figured out". As an example, Doublelift picked up on W-max Ezreal from Chinese play LONG before Ezreal became FotM, it's just that nobody on NA watches Asian tournaments, so it only became FotM after CLG came back to play in a major American tournament. In this case, all the necessary developments for Riven play were already figured out before the hotfix. The hotfix didn't speed up anyone figuring out how to play her because all that figuring out was done already before the hotfix.
It can be really hard to judge the value of champions at release. It's not that champions never get released with significant problems (SEE: Malzahar), but the community is really, really slow to pick up a new champion unless they're extremely overpowered, easy to play, or both. Time and again you see champions like Rumble, Nautilus, or Jayce who simply aren't played much at launch, but months later are suddenly ban-worthy overpowered monsters without any substantial changes.
Because of this Riot should be, and as of late has been, careful about buffing apparently lackluster champions. All it takes is a new perspective, a new build, or a tiny shift in the meta and all of a sudden some champion that was off the radar is catapulted into FotM status.
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On September 19 2012 03:43 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:38 epoc wrote:On September 19 2012 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Yorick pre-buff was atrociously hard to play. He really did need the buff. Riven buffs were unnecessary. She was perfectly balanced on release, maybe just needed that bug fix. But I'm glad they did buff her though, it accelerated the growth of how Riven was suppose to be played out, meaning people discovered her full potential early on.
Can't really compare imo. each champ has their own niche. Some of their niches are smaller than others, so there is less chance of seeing them played, but that's not to say these champs are "weaker" by any means. How did the buffs make him easier to play? Pretty much everything in his kit got buffed. Lower mana costs, faster MS, more health, more mana, fixed bugs about his omens not working properly, just pretty much everything. Made his lane phase much much stronger.
Oh so they buffed him and didn't make him any easier to play
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On September 19 2012 04:01 epoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:43 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2012 03:38 epoc wrote:On September 19 2012 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Yorick pre-buff was atrociously hard to play. He really did need the buff. Riven buffs were unnecessary. She was perfectly balanced on release, maybe just needed that bug fix. But I'm glad they did buff her though, it accelerated the growth of how Riven was suppose to be played out, meaning people discovered her full potential early on.
Can't really compare imo. each champ has their own niche. Some of their niches are smaller than others, so there is less chance of seeing them played, but that's not to say these champs are "weaker" by any means. How did the buffs make him easier to play? Pretty much everything in his kit got buffed. Lower mana costs, faster MS, more health, more mana, fixed bugs about his omens not working properly, just pretty much everything. Made his lane phase much much stronger. Oh so they buffed him and didn't make him any easier to play
How *do* you make yorick easier to play?
*faceroll*
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"Buffs don't make a champion easier to play"
#LoLLogic
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On September 19 2012 04:01 epoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:43 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2012 03:38 epoc wrote:On September 19 2012 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Yorick pre-buff was atrociously hard to play. He really did need the buff. Riven buffs were unnecessary. She was perfectly balanced on release, maybe just needed that bug fix. But I'm glad they did buff her though, it accelerated the growth of how Riven was suppose to be played out, meaning people discovered her full potential early on.
Can't really compare imo. each champ has their own niche. Some of their niches are smaller than others, so there is less chance of seeing them played, but that's not to say these champs are "weaker" by any means. How did the buffs make him easier to play? Pretty much everything in his kit got buffed. Lower mana costs, faster MS, more health, more mana, fixed bugs about his omens not working properly, just pretty much everything. Made his lane phase much much stronger. Oh so they buffed him and didn't make him any easier to play
Oh I guess you misunderstood what I mean in initial point. I meant he was hard to play, in the sense that you couldn't do shit with him, because you'd just end up losing the game because he's beyond weak. Didn't mean he was mechanically difficult to play.
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On September 19 2012 04:05 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 04:01 epoc wrote:On September 19 2012 03:43 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2012 03:38 epoc wrote:On September 19 2012 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Yorick pre-buff was atrociously hard to play. He really did need the buff. Riven buffs were unnecessary. She was perfectly balanced on release, maybe just needed that bug fix. But I'm glad they did buff her though, it accelerated the growth of how Riven was suppose to be played out, meaning people discovered her full potential early on.
Can't really compare imo. each champ has their own niche. Some of their niches are smaller than others, so there is less chance of seeing them played, but that's not to say these champs are "weaker" by any means. How did the buffs make him easier to play? Pretty much everything in his kit got buffed. Lower mana costs, faster MS, more health, more mana, fixed bugs about his omens not working properly, just pretty much everything. Made his lane phase much much stronger. Oh so they buffed him and didn't make him any easier to play How *do* you make yorick easier to play? *faceroll*
Make ghouls follow people into brushes lol
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On September 19 2012 04:12 O-ops wrote:
"Buffs don't make a champion easier to play"
#LoLLogic
Increasing numbers changes mechanics?
His buffs didn't make him easier to play, it just made it easier to win. There's a difference. It wasn't hard to throw ghouls at shit, just not as strong.
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On September 19 2012 04:14 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 04:12 O-ops wrote:
"Buffs don't make a champion easier to play"
#LoLLogic Increasing numbers changes mechanics? His buffs didn't make him easier to play, it just made it easier to win. There's a difference. It wasn't hard to throw ghouls at shit, just not as strong.
Im pretty sure going from "Oomed after 2 ghouls" to "Having basically no mana cost" is the definition of "being easier" lol.
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