EPTOn September 19 2012 01:31 Gahlo wrote:
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[Patch 1.0.0.147: Syndra] General Discussion - Page 91
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35145 Posts
EDIT: Oh god, HatPerson. Why must you torture me!? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 18 2012 17:37 sob3k wrote: People saying Syndra has no utility are just wrong...she has a 2 second 45% slow (which is actually a pretty solid slow), and the potential to stun multiple enemies at massive range. Her greatest strength though is that she can cast QW while moving, which gives her alot different gameplay than alot of other mids...alot of people dont even seem to realize you can cast them on the move. I have been winning tons of lanes and carrying with her, but I do agree she could use a little bit of a buff, she's just not nearly as bad as many people say. I win but i feel like I could have carried harder with more standard mid picks. For buffs I would suggest a mix and match of : -either a range or a projectile speed increase on the W -Buff sphere duration, allow you to have more spheres out would make getting stuns much easier and contribute to smart setting up, ult might have to be adjusted -E CD reduction, would help her utility a ton and help her to get the fuck away from people running her down -Ult range increase, its just oddly small right now and doesn't synergize with her kit very well, you end up using it on whoever is close enough to safely hit many times. Or maybe give it a little bit of knockback. just a pinch or two of one or two of these ideas would make her totally solid powerwise. That's a HUGE list of buffs. I think she will be fine (if not OP) if her Q's mana cost is lowered by 10 across all ranks. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On September 19 2012 01:46 Sufficiency wrote: That's a HUGE list of buffs. I think she will be fine (if not OP) if her Q's mana cost is lowered by 10 across all ranks. That would mean that mana is the only thing holding her back. I haven't played her enough to make deliberate statements on her, but I THINK there's more to her problems than just constantly being short on mana. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:15 wei2coolman wrote: I think it's probably best if they gave Syndra the Yorick and Riven treatment, just so we can see her played more, even if it's an over buff. Riot updates the game enough that even if she becomes overbuffed, targeted nerfs can happen almost immediately. No, stop it. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
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Node
United States2159 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:15 wei2coolman wrote: I think it's probably best if they gave Syndra the Yorick and Riven treatment, just so we can see her played more, even if it's an over buff. Riot updates the game enough that even if she becomes overbuffed, targeted nerfs can happen almost immediately. I swear to god I'm not trying to disagree with you on every single post, but wasn't Yorick crap on release and then got buffed and Riven was really really good, then got hotfixed because some things were just bugging out and afterwards just adjusted? I recall they buffed Q and nerfed W, also reduced her health regen because it was stupidly high. Maybe I'm confusing some stuff here. On September 19 2012 02:19 Node wrote: Anyone else had success counterpicking Yorick with Cho? Go cloth5, max E and you'll outlast him and have equal pushing ability. Your spikes kill his ghouls and heal you via your passive. Eventually he runs out of mana and you can just hit him until he dies. Your W can also get you some quality time with his stupid face if you land it. Am I just playing against terrible Yoricks or does this actually work? Yep. Also, farmed Cho >>>> Farmed Yorick, assuming you have no Vayne or something equally ridiculous on your team. | ||
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Glaceau
Wales333 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:19 Node wrote: Anyone else had success counterpicking Yorick with Cho? Go cloth5, max E and you'll outlast him and have equal pushing ability. Your spikes kill his ghouls and heal you via your passive. Eventually he runs out of mana and you can just hit him until he dies. Your W can also get you some quality time with his stupid face if you land it. Am I just playing against terrible Yoricks or does this actually work? jungler dependent matchup, one decent gank on either of them and the other is going to get destroyed. Especially cho, if you get a little behind you're zoned for the rest of the lane. Yorick to a lesser extent | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:23 Shiv. wrote: I swear to god I'm not trying to disagree with you on every single post, but wasn't Yorick crap on release and then got buffed and Riven was really really good, then got hotfixed because some things were just bugging out and afterwards just adjusted? I recall they buffed Q and nerfed W, also reduced her health regen because it was stupidly high. Maybe I'm confusing some stuff here. I'm just saying it's faster to balance syndra by overbuffing, then nerfing. Then it is to buff slowly. Riven and Yorick in a pretty balanced state right now imo, and Riven got to balanced state fairly quickly. 1 major buffs, then like 2 nerfs/changes, got her to the state she's in now, I believe. Yorick was like 1 major buff and 3 nerfs, I think? And the yorick is probably best example, similar to syndra, bad champ on release. just need overbuffs so players can explore champion kits without getting punished too hard for it. Then targeted nerfs at parts of the kit that are being exploited too hard. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:23 Shiv. wrote: I swear to god I'm not trying to disagree with you on every single post, but wasn't Yorick crap on release and then got buffed and Riven was really really good, then got hotfixed because some things were just bugging out and afterwards just adjusted? I recall they buffed Q and nerfed W, also reduced her health regen because it was stupidly high. Maybe I'm confusing some stuff here. Yep. Also, farmed Cho >>>> Farmed Yorick, assuming you have no Vayne or something equally ridiculous on your team. The immediate Riven changes were hot-buffs, because she was considered too weak. The only thing that was blatantly broken was Ki strike stunning you for longer than your opponent because of the animation length. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:25 wei2coolman wrote: I'm just saying it's faster to balance syndra by overbuffing, then nerfing. Then it is to buff slowly. Riven and Yorick in a pretty balanced state right now imo, and Riven got to balanced state fairly quickly. 1 major buffs, then like 2 nerfs/changes, got her to the state she's in now, I believe. Yorick was like 1 major buff and 3 nerfs, I think? And the yorick is probably best example, similar to syndra, bad champ on release. just need overbuffs so players can explore champion kits without getting punished too hard for it. Then targeted nerfs at parts of the kit that are being exploited too hard. what is your hurry? gd been filled with way too much armchair patching lately, the game needs to be patched less often not more. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:27 Requizen wrote: The immediate Riven changes were hot-buffs, because she was considered too weak. The only thing that was blatantly broken was Ki strike stunning you for longer than your opponent because of the animation length. Okay. I just tried looking them up but couldn't find anything. Thanks for clearing things up! | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:19 Node wrote: Anyone else had success counterpicking Yorick with Cho? Go cloth5, max E and you'll outlast him and have equal pushing ability. Your spikes kill his ghouls and heal you via your passive. Eventually he runs out of mana and you can just hit him until he dies. Your W can also get you some quality time with his stupid face if you land it. Am I just playing against terrible Yoricks or does this actually work? You can easily passively farm with Cho vs Yorick, he's a better matchup than the retarded suggestions of Trundle top (omg 3 health gained for each ghoul that dies!) but really a Yorick lane needs a gank at some point, you'll never win vs him straight up if he plays optimally. Good Yoricks won't die to aggressive laners, so pretty much the best picks for dealing with him is to pick a passive farming top and just do more in teamfights than he can. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Or we could leave Syndra in the pre-change eve/kat tier, fine with me too. I'll just stick with my Ahri/Morg/TF. One less matchup I have to learn. lol. Plus an over buffed syndra can't be as good as current Zyra, could it? | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:30 wei2coolman wrote: Or we could leave Syndra in the pre-change eve/kat tier, fine with me too. I'll just stick with my Ahri/Morg/TF. One less matchup I have to learn. lol. Plus an over buffed syndra can't be as good as current Zyra, could it? Whoa whoa, pre-change Kat was fine, ask scarra. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:10 Shiv. wrote: That would mean that mana is the only thing holding her back. I haven't played her enough to make deliberate statements on her, but I THINK there's more to her problems than just constantly being short on mana. I feel that mana is her only problem. Her utilities are already very strong (1.5 seconds linear pass-through stun with ~800 distance with 11 seconds cooldown at rank 5, AND knocks back, AND can fire multiple stunning orbs at the same time; also an AOE 2 seconds 45% slow with 7 seconds cooldown). Furthermore her damage is far superior to other utility APs (Orianna, Janna, Lulu, and Lux). Unfortunately, she greatly rely on her Q to chain her combo; the high mana cost of her Q is really holding her back IMO. Suppose for a second that Syndra was MANALESS. Then instead of building Grail, she can actually get a DFG instead, which provides more single target burst and synergizes with her ultimate. Unfortunately DFG is not a very realistic item to get right now because Syndra desperately needs mana and CDR. I think currently Syndra is forced to build Grail right now because 1) she needs a LOOOOOOOOOOT of mana 2) tear of the goddess and catalyst do not provide her with enough mana and do not build into anything that also provides CDR. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:25 wei2coolman wrote: I'm just saying it's faster to balance syndra by overbuffing, then nerfing. Then it is to buff slowly. Riven and Yorick in a pretty balanced state right now imo, and Riven got to balanced state fairly quickly. 1 major buffs, then like 2 nerfs/changes, got her to the state she's in now, I believe. Yorick was like 1 major buff and 3 nerfs, I think? And the yorick is probably best example, similar to syndra, bad champ on release. just need overbuffs so players can explore champion kits without getting punished too hard for it. Then targeted nerfs at parts of the kit that are being exploited too hard. Overbuff Syndya, Syndra Permaban sees 0 play. Great idea. | ||
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