EPT[Patch 1.0.0.147: Syndra] General Discussion - Page 81
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 18 2012 05:49 Twinmold wrote: She can't really use her W as a damage source come midgame either. Jumping in like that in a teamfight is just asking to get killed. I think her W needs AD ratio. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On September 18 2012 04:00 Slayer91 wrote: I still think mobility boots are gimmicky/trolly. But in some situations I guess they make a lot of sense. They're dead serious on ap sion though. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On September 18 2012 05:24 Requizen wrote: Why we talking about the Ez/Graves/Corki trifecta when Trist is possibly still the best AD carry? Srsly, I have yet to see one fail unless they're blindingly stupid. Farm for 30 minutes -> but BT/IE/BT -> hit Q -> Everything in the game dies and can't catch you. Get any sort of support or other teammate that can peel. Trist is probably the worst AD carry at farming thanks to her e, and "farm for thirty minutes" is a fucking absurd and horrible downside to any champion. That's like saying poppy is the best top laner if you just farm for 30 minutes, ignoring all the matchup problems. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 18 2012 05:50 Requizen wrote: It's brilliant as a clean up move, saving it for hopping around, picking off low targets is pretty safe and easy if you've been abusing your long range. Is that the drop bug? I've had 2 games now that just D/Ced and disappeared into the ether, allowing me to instantly requeue. I am a huge fan of AD Trist mid though. I remember Crs running dat double AD comp in tourney, nyjacky shitting on everyone with the AD Trist. | ||
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Twinmold
Sweden238 Posts
It wouldn't really help though. For her to be viable she would need some midgame teamfighting strength that doesn't require her to go rambo. In my opinion riot needs to look at her E, both regarding its passive but also its scaling. | ||
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GreenManalishi
Canada834 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 18 2012 05:53 Twinmold wrote: It wouldn't really help though. For her to be viable she would need some midgame teamfighting strength that doesn't require her to go rambo. In my opinion riot needs to look at her E, both regarding its passive but also its scaling. Actually it will. It will make her W do more damage and allow her to play more aggressively more easily (W in, auto someone to death, W out). | ||
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Twinmold
Sweden238 Posts
On September 18 2012 05:57 Sufficiency wrote: Actually it will. It will make her W do more damage and allow her to play more aggressively more easily (W in, auto someone to death, W out). In a midgame teamfight you don't have the luxury of standing in melee range and auto attacking people to death though. She's extremely squishy and will just get bursted down and killed in that scenario. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Even with the supposed "e" problems, the way bot lane works, pushing is good 90% of the time, to deny enemy CS, that isn't even that big of a core issue on tristana. If you watch a lot of current bot lane meta in tourneys (where there's a regular 2v2 lane), pushing botlane is regular strat (assuming river is well warded). The problem is the way her jump works, even if you look at Corki's usage of his jump, it's either as an escape or as a gap closer for his gatling gun, but in either usage the valkarie is rarely a "source" of damage. The jump is completely counter-intuitive on Trist, it forces bad plays to be made from players because people think it does more damage than it actually does. | ||
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GreenManalishi
Canada834 Posts
On September 18 2012 05:56 Slusher wrote: At most she needs a toggle on E passive, but making balance changes to Trist at this point would be pretty dumb when she has a really strong niche already. The only changes I would like to see to Trist would be QoL changes. Smooth out the dash animation and reduce the cast animation, make Trist's E range scale with her passive and give it an AD ratio (at the cost of some base damage), and a slight reduction on R's mana cost. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
CDR Syndra is so fun to kite with! She sucks at chasing though, E range too slow. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's not a mystery that she's not played that much right now, nor is it a problem, as the game is bound to move in another direction over time. | ||
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
On September 18 2012 05:52 TwoToneTerran wrote: Trist is probably the worst AD carry at farming thanks to her e, and "farm for thirty minutes" is a fucking absurd and horrible downside to any champion. That's like saying poppy is the best top laner if you just farm for 30 minutes, ignoring all the matchup problems. But... but... Poppy IS the best top laner if she gets free farm for 30 minutes (or just 20). Jokes aside, Trist has a really strange power curve, but if you get past her midgame weakness she is an absolute terror. That doesn't help that she is gonna be worthless compared to other carries in the first few teamfights tho. | ||
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On September 18 2012 06:01 wei2coolman wrote: Biggest problem with Trist is how unresponsive her jump is. Even with the supposed "e" problems, the way bot lane works, pushing is good 90% of the time, to deny enemy CS, that isn't even that big of a core issue on tristana. If you watch a lot of current bot lane meta in tourneys (where there's a regular 2v2 lane), pushing botlane is regular strat (assuming river is well warded). The problem is the way her jump works, even if you look at Corki's usage of his jump, it's either as an escape or as a gap closer for his gatling gun, but in either usage the valkarie is rarely a "source" of damage. The jump is completely counter-intuitive on Trist, it forces bad plays to be made from players because people think it does more damage than it actually does. Literally 3 posts before this you claimed her biggest issue is her steroid. What the fuck is wrong with you. Also, solo Q != tourneys. And no, you don't want to push 90% of the time in solo Q. Also, the problem with her jump isn't that it deals damage, it's that it's not actually a jump. No one forces you to use it for damage lol. If you decide to copycat people's thoughts, at least understand them beforehand. The more I read your post the worse it gets. ''It forces bad plays from players because people think it deals more damage than it actually does.'' Dude, that's gold. So the problem of the champion is that people don't know the damage of her abilities? Fuck yeah, we finally know how to fix Trist. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On September 18 2012 06:28 Shiv. wrote: Literally 3 posts before this you claimed her biggest issue is her steroid. What the fuck is wrong with you. Also, solo Q != tourneys. And no, you don't want to push 90% of the time in solo Q. Also, the problem with her jump isn't that it deals damage, it's that it's not actually a jump. No one forces you to use it for damage lol. If you decide to copycat people's thoughts, at least understand them beforehand. Her Q steroid is comparable to graves' but hers doesnt reset, if hers had the same CD scaling on it as graves i honestly think she'd be the most retarded ad carry. Her range alone is the mosts ridiculous thing, but her AS boost is so short and doesnt refreshi t really harms her usefulness. I mean she doesnt have an E like corkis or graves Q, no bullshit AS slow like ezreals W, so i think if you reworked her E into something like that, or maybe made it frontloaded instead of a dot she might be a bit better | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On September 18 2012 06:37 arb wrote: Her Q steroid is comparable to graves' but hers doesnt reset, if hers had the same CD scaling on it as graves i honestly think she'd be the most retarded ad carry. Her range alone is the mosts ridiculous thing, but her AS boost is so short and doesnt refreshi t really harms her usefulness. I mean she doesnt have an E like corkis or graves Q, no bullshit AS slow like ezreals W, so i think if you reworked her E into something like that, or maybe made it frontloaded instead of a dot she might be a bit better But then again, she has like twice the range of Graves come late game, and once you have IE/BT/LW/PD, steroids aren't as important any more (compared to early and mid game) because you melt everything anyway. Her late game already is ridiculously good, the problem is getting there, and I agree that changing or at least adjusting her E would be a good starting point to strenghten her mid game. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
She's fine. Not every Ad needs to be the exact same. If you wanna buff something, take Varus. In other news, after a bunch of games Syndra is still really fun to play. Probably gun be my new main, especially since Grag is banned so much nowadays. | ||
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