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They hit Urgot very, very, very hard, on almost everything that made him good. Then they reverted the ratio changes so he maintained kind of a power curve.
The thing is, Urgot was a good lane bully and zoner because of his range. You get hit by a E, you don't approach the wave for the next 7-8 seconds while losing at least 1/4th of your HP. You can ult from far away enough that you can setup good ganks across the river, and initiate. His ult's range has been nerfed so that it's quite awkward to use early on, and his range nerfs made it very hard for him to harass without eating a lot of damage in retaliation (and I'd say his E if harder to hit than almost anything bar Cait's Q).
So Urgot who was picked for sublime laning phase and initiation power lost the former, while for the latter there are still far better choices than him.
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Why we talking about the Ez/Graves/Corki trifecta when Trist is possibly still the best AD carry? Srsly, I have yet to see one fail unless they're blindingly stupid. Farm for 30 minutes -> but BT/IE/BT -> hit Q -> Everything in the game dies and can't catch you. Get any sort of support or other teammate that can peel.
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to be honest I think Draven basically lays waste to any non duo-que bot lane atm, but people gotta play like they are in a tournament setting for some reason.
@trist comment, it's because her E pushes lane, and again people treat it like theoddone is on the other team every solo q game. A lot of junglers in solo q are too greedy to alter their path for a naturally pushing champion, "I'll check it out next time I'm down there"
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On September 18 2012 05:10 Sufficiency wrote:+ Show Spoiler +WTF Shurelia you mindreader you.
In her Assassin Fiora (Mid) one of the clips has her with 2 tiamats and partway into building a third. Caller would be proud.
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On September 18 2012 05:24 Slusher wrote:
to be honest I think Draven basically lays waste to any non duo-que bot lane atm, but people gotta play like they are in a tournament setting for some reason.
Draven has huge early game damage along with great scaling into mid and late game. He continues to stay powerful.
I do think he's one of the harder to play carries, due to the catching axes mechanic and maintaining your positioning whilst doing it.
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On September 18 2012 05:15 Slusher wrote:
That said I still think Reddit is vastly oblivious to how balanced the AD carries are, I once read a post on reddit wanting to nerf boots 3 open "because everyone does it" the reality is there will always be a form Optimal way to play and a great deal of players will (blindly) follow suit, it's these sorts of not letting the meta play out that bring on things like Atma's nerf and the Urgot nerf.
Truer words have never been spoken. /r/LeagueofLegends seems to be, for the biggest part, a bunch of 900 elo guys without a clue about the game. I've read the stupidest shit over there: Irelia can't lane against Riven, AD Sion is overpowered, Lee needs to be balanced because he camps too well, Pantheon should build Warmog's... Really, I've unsubscribed to the subreddit because it's mostly a bunch of idiots.
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Unsubscribed a long time ago. Only give a cursory look now and again for meaningful news.
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remember when we were talking about "drafting abilities" mini game the other day, lets just say Stand aside would be first ban/first pick for ad carries.
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On September 18 2012 05:25 sylverfyre wrote:In her Assassin Fiora (Mid) one of the clips has her with 2 tiamats and partway into building a third. Caller would be proud.
I have mixed feelings about that video. I know she is 1800 and she plays fairly well (considering she pretty much only plays Leona and plays her in a fairly odd way), that first clip on how she managed to E that Kennen after flash was pure luck. She simply anticipated a Flash and aimed that way, hoping that Kennen will react to Leona's E animation in that direction.
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"Anticipated"
"Prediction"
It's not pure luck it's not uncommon to panic flash away from instant death spells like that.
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On September 18 2012 05:24 Requizen wrote:
Why we talking about the Ez/Graves/Corki trifecta when Trist is possibly still the best AD carry? Srsly, I have yet to see one fail unless they're blindingly stupid. Farm for 30 minutes -> but BT/IE/BT -> hit Q -> Everything in the game dies and can't catch you. Get any sort of support or other teammate that can peel.
Was just checking last night, Trist had only 45% winrate in platinum brackets (on lolking, they haven't converted to new elo brackets). People are blindly stupid, can't be helped! I think the big problem with trist is that her steroid doesn't refresh. Ez's steroid is always up throughout an entire fight, even in extended fights. Graves steroid always up given sufficient crit chance stats, Corki just does stupid damage.
EDIT: ATTACK SPEED. NOT CRIT. DERP
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On September 18 2012 05:34 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 05:24 Requizen wrote:
Why we talking about the Ez/Graves/Corki trifecta when Trist is possibly still the best AD carry? Srsly, I have yet to see one fail unless they're blindingly stupid. Farm for 30 minutes -> but BT/IE/BT -> hit Q -> Everything in the game dies and can't catch you. Get any sort of support or other teammate that can peel. Was just checking last night, Trist had only 45% winrate in platinum brackets (on lolking, they haven't converted to new elo brackets). People are blindly stupid, can't be helped! I think the big problem with trist is that her steroid doesn't refresh. Ez's steroid is always up throughout an entire fight, even extended, Graves steroid always up given sufficient crit chance stats, Corki just does stupid damage.
Graves' steroid refreshes from autoattacks, not from crits. And the problem isn't her steroid, the problem is that she constantly pushes lane and the fact her midgame is stupidly slow if she doesn't get fed in lane, whereas Ezreal and Corki shine at any given stage of the game.
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On September 18 2012 05:34 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 05:24 Requizen wrote:
Why we talking about the Ez/Graves/Corki trifecta when Trist is possibly still the best AD carry? Srsly, I have yet to see one fail unless they're blindingly stupid. Farm for 30 minutes -> but BT/IE/BT -> hit Q -> Everything in the game dies and can't catch you. Get any sort of support or other teammate that can peel. Was just checking last night, Trist had only 45% winrate in platinum brackets (on lolking, they haven't converted to new elo brackets). People are blindly stupid, can't be helped! I think the big problem with trist is that her steroid doesn't refresh. Ez's steroid is always up throughout an entire fight, even in extended fights. Graves steroid always up given sufficient crit chance stats, Corki just does stupid damage.
What does Graves crit chance have to do with his steroids uptime? Don't you mean attack speed?
EDIT: Ninja'd.
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On September 18 2012 05:34 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 05:24 Requizen wrote:
Why we talking about the Ez/Graves/Corki trifecta when Trist is possibly still the best AD carry? Srsly, I have yet to see one fail unless they're blindingly stupid. Farm for 30 minutes -> but BT/IE/BT -> hit Q -> Everything in the game dies and can't catch you. Get any sort of support or other teammate that can peel. Was just checking last night, Trist had only 45% winrate in platinum brackets (on lolking, they haven't converted to new elo brackets). People are blindly stupid, can't be helped! I think the big problem with trist is that her steroid doesn't refresh. Ez's steroid is always up throughout an entire fight, even in extended fights. Graves steroid always up given sufficient crit chance stats, Corki just does stupid damage.
Don't need a steroid when you have gatling gun.
And Trist needs to get items to be useful. Her E and W are useless damage wise, especially mid game in dragon team fights and stuff. And considering that most games now end around 20-30 minutes, Trist just doesn't get to shine.
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On September 18 2012 05:33 Slayer91 wrote:
"Anticipated"
"Prediction"
It's not pure luck it's not uncommon to panic flash away from instant death spells like that.
Still that play feels awkward. She was counting on that Kennen to Flash immediately upon seeing Leona's E animation, but she would miss completely if the Kennen tried to juke or had no Flash at all, in which case he would get away for free. There was an extremely small chance that Kennen would Flash that way instead of directly away from Leona; if I were the Leona I probably would have played safe and just aim E at the Kennen and aim for burning Kennen's Flash.
Maybe it's just that I like to play conservatively... I watch Shurelia play often and she has balls of steel.
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On September 18 2012 05:43 Twinmold wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 05:34 wei2coolman wrote:On September 18 2012 05:24 Requizen wrote:
Why we talking about the Ez/Graves/Corki trifecta when Trist is possibly still the best AD carry? Srsly, I have yet to see one fail unless they're blindingly stupid. Farm for 30 minutes -> but BT/IE/BT -> hit Q -> Everything in the game dies and can't catch you. Get any sort of support or other teammate that can peel. Was just checking last night, Trist had only 45% winrate in platinum brackets (on lolking, they haven't converted to new elo brackets). People are blindly stupid, can't be helped! I think the big problem with trist is that her steroid doesn't refresh. Ez's steroid is always up throughout an entire fight, even in extended fights. Graves steroid always up given sufficient crit chance stats, Corki just does stupid damage. What does Graves crit chance have to do with his steroids uptime? Don't you mean attack speed? EDIT: Ninja'd.
yeah misspoke, meant attack speed.
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On September 18 2012 05:44 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 05:34 wei2coolman wrote:On September 18 2012 05:24 Requizen wrote:
Why we talking about the Ez/Graves/Corki trifecta when Trist is possibly still the best AD carry? Srsly, I have yet to see one fail unless they're blindingly stupid. Farm for 30 minutes -> but BT/IE/BT -> hit Q -> Everything in the game dies and can't catch you. Get any sort of support or other teammate that can peel. Was just checking last night, Trist had only 45% winrate in platinum brackets (on lolking, they haven't converted to new elo brackets). People are blindly stupid, can't be helped! I think the big problem with trist is that her steroid doesn't refresh. Ez's steroid is always up throughout an entire fight, even in extended fights. Graves steroid always up given sufficient crit chance stats, Corki just does stupid damage. Don't need a steroid when you have gatling gun. And Trist needs to get items to be useful. Her E and W are useless damage wise, especially mid game in dragon team fights and stuff. And considering that most games now end around 20-30 minutes, Trist just doesn't get to shine.
Honestly, if you can convince a solo queue team to stick with it, games will run 45+ minutes ezpz, all she needs to do is farm everything in sight. Much more reliable than Vayne (every solo queue Vayne Tumbles into a team expecting penta, dies) or Kog (same thing but just don't know how to fucking kite).
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On September 18 2012 05:44 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 05:34 wei2coolman wrote:On September 18 2012 05:24 Requizen wrote:
Why we talking about the Ez/Graves/Corki trifecta when Trist is possibly still the best AD carry? Srsly, I have yet to see one fail unless they're blindingly stupid. Farm for 30 minutes -> but BT/IE/BT -> hit Q -> Everything in the game dies and can't catch you. Get any sort of support or other teammate that can peel. Was just checking last night, Trist had only 45% winrate in platinum brackets (on lolking, they haven't converted to new elo brackets). People are blindly stupid, can't be helped! I think the big problem with trist is that her steroid doesn't refresh. Ez's steroid is always up throughout an entire fight, even in extended fights. Graves steroid always up given sufficient crit chance stats, Corki just does stupid damage. Don't need a steroid when you have gatling gun. And Trist needs to get items to be useful. Her E and W are useless damage wise, especially mid game in dragon team fights and stuff. And considering that most games now end around 20-30 minutes, Trist just doesn't get to shine.
She can't really use her W as a damage source come midgame either. Jumping in like that in a teamfight is just asking to get killed.
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2 games so far today that have presumably been crashed by a player and have ceased to exist.
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On September 18 2012 05:49 Twinmold wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 05:44 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 18 2012 05:34 wei2coolman wrote:On September 18 2012 05:24 Requizen wrote:
Why we talking about the Ez/Graves/Corki trifecta when Trist is possibly still the best AD carry? Srsly, I have yet to see one fail unless they're blindingly stupid. Farm for 30 minutes -> but BT/IE/BT -> hit Q -> Everything in the game dies and can't catch you. Get any sort of support or other teammate that can peel. Was just checking last night, Trist had only 45% winrate in platinum brackets (on lolking, they haven't converted to new elo brackets). People are blindly stupid, can't be helped! I think the big problem with trist is that her steroid doesn't refresh. Ez's steroid is always up throughout an entire fight, even in extended fights. Graves steroid always up given sufficient crit chance stats, Corki just does stupid damage. Don't need a steroid when you have gatling gun. And Trist needs to get items to be useful. Her E and W are useless damage wise, especially mid game in dragon team fights and stuff. And considering that most games now end around 20-30 minutes, Trist just doesn't get to shine. She can't really use her W as a damage source come midgame either. Jumping in like that in a teamfight is just asking to get killed.
It's brilliant as a clean up move, saving it for hopping around, picking off low targets is pretty safe and easy if you've been abusing your long range.
On September 18 2012 05:50 Craton wrote:
2 games so far today that have presumably been crashed by a player and have ceased to exist.
Is that the drop bug? I've had 2 games now that just D/Ced and disappeared into the ether, allowing me to instantly requeue.
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