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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
-> the 185gold mana reg thing and wards - depending on matchup - if there (A) is a good leona, alistar or blitz I go for boots or ruby crystal if there is a sustain support I go for the gold/10 item after that i get boots -> ruby crystal and ruby crystal( second ruby if (A) is on, if not then kindlegem and then ruby crystal) after that build aegis if your jungler does it not or zeke. upgrade to shurelias if you feel its needed | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On September 24 2012 18:28 wei2coolman wrote: It really depends on the laning phase though, or how the game flow is. But I feel much more comfortable getting philo+hog, into chalice, then finishing whatever item next (usually reverie). sometimes laning phases are pretty aggressive, usually get kills, back, or shove lanes than backing, I'll delay getting chalice until after first big support item. but if lane phases are really extended, I either get 3rd gp10, or the chalice after hog. lol 3rd gp10 you are real funny. are useful items not fun to buy or something? better waste gold on items that give no stats! | ||
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Bwaaaa
Australia969 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Or people can continue to pretend banking 500 gold toward their next item that they're not going to spend for another 5-10 minutes is more effective than letting a support have that gold now for immediate wards. Then again, it took like 5 years for the whole "support farm" thing to get off the ground in DotA, so I guess I shouldn't hold my breath for it. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 24 2012 19:17 TheYango wrote: Someday people will realize that actually letting support have a creep wave now and then, or letting them clear Wraiths when they're otherwise doing nothing is more effective than buying worthless items. Or people can continue to pretend banking 500 gold toward their next item that they're not going to spend for another 5-10 minutes is more effective than letting a support have that gold now for immediate wards. Then again, it took like 5 years for the whole "support farm" thing to get off the ground in DotA, so I guess I shouldn't hold my breath for it. Facepalmed today when my AP player was scolding our support for having 40 CS. "Soraka, you shouldn't have stolen any creeps from our AD" zzzzzzz | ||
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MCMilo
United States365 Posts
Edit:wao phone suck type gg edit2: or if you have a commanding position in the lane naturally (strict matchups and combinations) and you feel like you're a better player and can allow your team to win faster (snowballll desu) | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On September 24 2012 18:05 Doctorbeat wrote: What do you think of Chalice/Stark's on Sona? Oh and a lot of junglers get Aegis first these days (Many Lee, Shen, Shyvana, Mundo do it), so you can afford to buy something else as support. But you do not get any GP/10? Or do you get HoG/Pick? I don't like hog on sona as the 20hp are simply too expensive on that item. More than 1 gold item is overkill except you are banking on a huge item in the lategame. I don't think sona needs that and I don't think she brings the basic survivability for her kit to be useful with only a hog as an HP item during the midgame. Against alot of popular lanes that involve: ez, graves, leona, blitz, taric... you get what I mean... you simply should not ever rush philo except when you have a huge lead in your lane, such as +1 kill or +1levels each or +20CS on your carry or sth like that. If your lane is behind or only slightly ahead you will get bursted if you try get some kind of advantage or simply survive ult combos etc. I get philo only after I have a ruby crystal, boots and mb another crystal/dorans shield or boots +2. Then you have the very basic survibality to not get zoned/killed after a forced trade by taric/leona/etc. Philo rush is basicly asking for trouble. On my other successful support leona I just initate on sonas who rush philo and it is a garantueed lane victory move if my ad carry follows it up with some damage and with ignite up sona is dead. I would love to rush HoG on her though but this item is so cost inefficient that it hurts my intelligence to get it anyways. As for 'rushing' shureilas: At the time you get that item the ganking phase started allready. There is no regular laneing anymore and you definitely make use of that precious aoe ghost. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On September 24 2012 21:06 clickrush wrote: I don't like hog on sona as the 20hp are simply too expensive on that item. More than 1 gold item is overkill except you are banking on a huge item in the lategame. I don't think sona needs that and I don't think she brings the basic survivability for her kit to be useful with only a hog as an HP item during the midgame. Against alot of popular lanes that involve: ez, graves, leona, blitz, taric... you get what I mean... you simply should not ever rush philo except when you have a huge lead in your lane, such as +1 kill or +1levels each or +20CS on your carry or sth like that. If your lane is behind or only slightly ahead you will get bursted if you try get some kind of advantage or simply survive ult combos etc. I get philo only after I have a ruby crystal, boots and mb another crystal/dorans shield or boots +2. Then you have the very basic survibality to not get zoned/killed after a forced trade by taric/leona/etc. Philo rush is basicly asking for trouble. On my other successful support leona I just initate on sonas who rush philo and it is a garantueed lane victory move if my ad carry follows it up with some damage and with ignite up sona is dead. I would love to rush HoG on her though but this item is so cost inefficient that it hurts my intelligence to get it anyways. As for 'rushing' shureilas: At the time you get that item the ganking phase started allready. There is no regular laneing anymore and you definitely make use of that precious aoe ghost. What do you buy at lvl 1 then ? boots + 1 wards and some pots ? | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On September 24 2012 21:47 WhiteDog wrote: What do you buy at lvl 1 then ? boots + 1 wards and some pots ? most of the time it is more useful to have a huge amount of wards on sona so you can poke into brush and see what is happening everywhere because you generally want to push the lane with sona in your lane. That said I'am opening the manaregen thing + tons of wards + manapot/healpot/both. As I said I make philo->shureilas after having enough HP and boots and manareg is extremely important on sona as well. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14208 Posts
His q's evolution will be INSANE on ganks the 12% missing will come up after 3.5 seconds to end out a huge damage gank. You can't flash away from him because hes got 2 gap closers and a 35% slow that may last 6 broken seconds while dealing out tons of damage while tons of damage are tons of damage tons of damage damage tons of. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On September 24 2012 22:11 Sermokala wrote: wow. If this wikia page is right Kha gets a 4.1Ad ratio on his whole kit. not to mention he can just scoot away cloaked after dealing all this damage like nothing is wrong. his q's evolution will be INSANE on ganks the 12% missing will come up after 3.5 seconds to end out a huge damage gank. you can't flash away from him because hes got 2 gap closers and a slow. His ult refresh's his passive? gg riot gg. Can't wait to have to ban 2 ad stealth assassins instead of one  . | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On September 24 2012 22:15 nafta wrote: Can't wait to have to ban 2 ad stealth assassins instead of one .Talon and ??? | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Rengar and new guy | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
Shaco and Twitch feel neglected, you might want to walk with your back to the wall the next days. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On September 24 2012 19:12 De4ngus wrote: lol 3rd gp10 you are real funny. are useful items not fun to buy or something? better waste gold on items that give no stats! If what is happening as he described in his post, third gp/10 seems perfectly fine to me. If I find myself with stolen kills or a lot of assists, I always grab a pick and just sit on it all game. You lose philo stone eventually, so that way you should have the same gold intake as you would with just philo+hog until shurleya's, but for the entire game. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On September 24 2012 22:35 AsnSensation wrote: what about lady eve Ain't no AD assassin at the moment. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 24 2012 22:26 Morfildur wrote: Shaco and Twitch feel neglected, you might want to walk with your back to the wall the next days. Shaco can feel neglected, not banning him, and Twitch is neither an assassin nor worth a ban. | ||
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
Btw can we get an AP item with movespeed like PD has and a strong item with stacks like BT has? What's up with that lol? | ||
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