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On September 19 2012 22:40 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 22:34 Nikon wrote:
Does MF's Q carry trinity proc to its first target? Iirc yeah, it procs all onhits on the first hit but the 2nd doesnt at all. and yeah had a teemo earlier complainign rengars q proccing all that shit makes him really obnoxious now
slight correction on that
for sheen/tf/lichbane, you are correct, the first hit will proc the extra damage and the second will not
for almost all other on-hits, both bounces proc the on-hit. the only other one that it doesn't proc is rylais iirc
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On September 19 2012 22:34 Nikon wrote:
Does MF's Q carry trinity proc to its first target?
yeah it does but only the first proc, in Lichbane/triforce/sheen's case it's because of the items cooldown.
what i want to say is basically what gtrsrs wrote hehe badly written hehe, it just can't proc in LB,Tf and sheens case bc of item cooldowns, for other things it procs 2 times, not sure what there is besides Manamune and redbuff though.
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On September 19 2012 22:18 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 18:45 Slayer91 wrote:On September 19 2012 12:20 gtrsrs wrote:
on a related but still completely true note, when i started the game, soraka's ult had a 2.0 AP ratio, healed 100-150 more base heal, and had like 30s shorter cd at all levels.
and she was considered a trash tier champ h4h4h4 Remember we did a TL drafts thing with this guy vs TL. and I made a huge post about why to first pick soraka and everyones ignores me and is like nah dude soraka sucks lets pick taric xin bot pre buffed taric btw that was shikyo not me and holy shit, that wasn't pre-BUFFED taric that was pre-NERFED taric oh my god, i forgot about pre-nerfed taric cannot believe i slept on taric for so long when he had like 5.0 AP ratios and dazzle was a 2s stun and he had his old good ult. man taric is such a beast, so outrageous. i finally got talked into playing pure AP taric (by shake/ezpz?) bot lane, with mpen reds AP rest, d-ring start. dazzle shatter would do like... 350 hp at level 2. was insanity. i cheesed so many games i hope for season 3 that riot just kicks every champs power level up to 10 instead of bringing down everyone to a 5. so much more fun when ever champ gave you a reason to cry "wah wah OP" in all-chat
huh
his old ult sucked it didn't do any damage and costs tons of mana for a meh self heal and an aura that's pretty good but his new ult is way better
the stun was lots of damage at close range or 2 second stun at max range and 0.5 s at close range.
his heal was better but so was everyones
shatter ap ratio never changed I think and doesn't compete with new tarics ap ratio with ult+w+e combo. I think max damage stun got nerfed to 0.8 ratio or something.
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On September 19 2012 22:46 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 22:34 Nikon wrote:
Does MF's Q carry trinity proc to its first target? yeah it does but only the first proc, in Lichbane/triforce/sheen's case it's because of the items cooldown. what i want to say is basically what gtrsrs wrote hehe badly written hehe, it just can't proc in LB,Tf and sheens case bc of item cooldowns, for other things it procs 2 times, not sure what there is besides Manamune and redbuff though.
Wit's/MBR/Nashor's? Not saying they're optimal, but they should proc.
She probably gets Lifesteal off both as well, I'd imagine.
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On September 19 2012 22:46 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 22:18 gtrsrs wrote:On September 19 2012 18:45 Slayer91 wrote:On September 19 2012 12:20 gtrsrs wrote:
on a related but still completely true note, when i started the game, soraka's ult had a 2.0 AP ratio, healed 100-150 more base heal, and had like 30s shorter cd at all levels.
and she was considered a trash tier champ h4h4h4 Remember we did a TL drafts thing with this guy vs TL. and I made a huge post about why to first pick soraka and everyones ignores me and is like nah dude soraka sucks lets pick taric xin bot pre buffed taric btw that was shikyo not me and holy shit, that wasn't pre-BUFFED taric that was pre-NERFED taric oh my god, i forgot about pre-nerfed taric cannot believe i slept on taric for so long when he had like 5.0 AP ratios and dazzle was a 2s stun and he had his old good ult. man taric is such a beast, so outrageous. i finally got talked into playing pure AP taric (by shake/ezpz?) bot lane, with mpen reds AP rest, d-ring start. dazzle shatter would do like... 350 hp at level 2. was insanity. i cheesed so many games i hope for season 3 that riot just kicks every champs power level up to 10 instead of bringing down everyone to a 5. so much more fun when ever champ gave you a reason to cry "wah wah OP" in all-chat huh his old ult sucked it didn't do any damage and costs tons of mana for a meh self heal and an aura that's pretty good but his new ult is way better the stun was lots of damage at close range or 2 second stun at max range and 0.5 s at close range. his heal was better but so was everyones shatter ap ratio never changed I think and doesn't compete with new tarics ap ratio with ult+w+e combo. I think max damage stun got nerfed to 0.8 ratio or something.
i personally think taric's old ult was one of the game's best ults. nothing made me feel more like a man than stunning, running in, shattering, eating all the cc and damage, popping my ult and bouncing out. i bet old taric would be a fucking boss with new athene's. it was better for bot lane anyway, with all that mad AD it granted
the min/max damage on shatter didn't matter cause it had a 1.0 AP ratio anyway. its scaling was shit regardless, you didnt level it, its AP ratio is what made it good. so the difference was between 20(+1.0) and 2s stun, or 40(1.0) and 1.s stun. was definitely a better skill IMO because everyone runs when the stun is on them. no one took max damage ever cause of it's slow particle speed
shatter was 0.5 ratio, heal was 1.1 (!!!) ratio
so good
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I just can't make syndra work. Her kit is bad for farming, her spells are too narrow and make too little damage, and cost too much mana to be using 3+ spells on each wave. Despite having decent cc, she is easily gankable by pretty much every common jungler nowadays because her shit requires so much setup. Her poke is alright i guess? doesn't seem to do damage compared to like every other ap, but if you chain it enough times you can surprise burst your opponent. So basically, while you can use your spells from a safe distance, you still get outpushed by any decent pusher and outpoked by any decent poker. In teamfights she seems a little on the hard side, it seems best to Q twice whatever and use your ultimate on a tank then use your E on the rest of the team. If you wait to use your R on a squishy then you'll probably use your e prematurely so it literally has 0 effect besides knocking back some dudes. I feel like the cooldown on her e can be fixed and either the mana costs on the Q/W lowered or the damage increased, although i would really like for the radius to be increased that seems like the most unlikely buff. All in all, pure ap is definitely not the way to build her right now, you need some mana and then you do like no damage to people with a little magic resist or extra health. Finally I will say that she is really fun to play but not a very strong mid right now.
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Taric's old ult was so good for a lot of things. You were far more of a damage sponge than now (clarity was often seen to ensure your ability to sponge huge amounts of damage) and since it affected minions it had a huge effect on tower pushing. And there wasn't anything wrong with turning it on for just a few seconds while pushing a tower, only using a bit of mana, then backing off, shutting it off, and it's ready for use in <15 sec for the next engagement.
And holy shit, you could easily shrug off 1k damage if you had the mana for it.
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On September 19 2012 18:49 -Zoda- wrote:
I see some fix for Galio in the patch change and it brings me back to what I thought yesterday evening: What the fuck happened to him ?
I remember his Q and E got nerfed (although he wasn't dealing a massive amount of dmg imo) and then he went from fotm to not played anymore. Even Alex Ich who used to rape anyone mid lane and in team fight with M5 AoE comp stopped playing him...
He still has some utility and decent damage, doesn't he ? Athene's can work great on him and I think he could be used top lane against popular AP picks in double AP comps (rumble, vlad, even Jax...).
The abyssal nerf totally fucked him for me 
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Galio is pretty low damage so you need a comp with pretty bruisery guys to make up for it and right now double tank with tank support and heavy damage AP and AD is what people are using atm
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On September 19 2012 23:32 Slayer91 wrote:
Galio is pretty low damage so you need a comp with pretty bruisery guys to make up for it and right now double tank with tank support and heavy damage AP and AD is what people are using atm
Blah meta. I want more assassin jungles and tank mids.
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On September 19 2012 23:32 Slayer91 wrote:
Galio is pretty low damage so you need a comp with pretty bruisery guys to make up for it and right now double tank with tank support and heavy damage AP and AD is what people are using atm
Galio number one anti carry though.
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On September 19 2012 22:53 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 22:46 AsnSensation wrote:On September 19 2012 22:34 Nikon wrote:
Does MF's Q carry trinity proc to its first target? yeah it does but only the first proc, in Lichbane/triforce/sheen's case it's because of the items cooldown. what i want to say is basically what gtrsrs wrote hehe badly written hehe, it just can't proc in LB,Tf and sheens case bc of item cooldowns, for other things it procs 2 times, not sure what there is besides Manamune and redbuff though. Wit's/MBR/Nashor's? Not saying they're optimal, but they should proc. She probably gets Lifesteal off both as well, I'd imagine.
yeah lifesteal procs too and you're right, after taking a look at the "on hit effect" ( no shit sherlock :D) section on league wiki there's actually a ton of items that have on hit procs hehe. Frozen Mallet, madreds etc are a few we forgot.
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On September 19 2012 23:38 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 23:32 Slayer91 wrote:
Galio is pretty low damage so you need a comp with pretty bruisery guys to make up for it and right now double tank with tank support and heavy damage AP and AD is what people are using atm Blah meta. I want more assassin jungles and tank mids.
that doesn't make sense meta or not
assassins need the most farm and tanks need the least
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On September 19 2012 21:35 valheru wrote:
So maxing E versus maxing W on blitz second? I think that the reduced on E is worth the additional ms you get from W since you have ENOUGH ms to make the hooks and the reduced cd on E makes you more useful in teamfights.
I see it as:
Max E second if you plan on playing a super long laning phase,
Max W second and get mobility boots if you want to roam and fuck shit up
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On September 20 2012 00:09 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 23:38 Requizen wrote:On September 19 2012 23:32 Slayer91 wrote:
Galio is pretty low damage so you need a comp with pretty bruisery guys to make up for it and right now double tank with tank support and heavy damage AP and AD is what people are using atm Blah meta. I want more assassin jungles and tank mids. that doesn't make sense meta or not assassins need the most farm and tanks need the least
what
leblanc surely needs a lot of items to be effective, right
so does akali
sure talon and panth get 2x better with a brutalizer and then a bt but they have enough damage to kill squishies even with just a couple dorans
exception is like kass and diana
assassins only really need levels to kill squishies
sure, to kill tanks and bruisers, they needs lots of gold
but thats not their job anyway
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Levels, farm, whatever, you get terrible levels in the jungle
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ya
but u can run pantheon (its pretty cheese lol but it works against baddies)
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On September 20 2012 00:18 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 00:09 Slayer91 wrote:On September 19 2012 23:38 Requizen wrote:On September 19 2012 23:32 Slayer91 wrote:
Galio is pretty low damage so you need a comp with pretty bruisery guys to make up for it and right now double tank with tank support and heavy damage AP and AD is what people are using atm Blah meta. I want more assassin jungles and tank mids. that doesn't make sense meta or not assassins need the most farm and tanks need the least what leblanc surely needs a lot of items to be effective, right so does akali sure talon and panth get 2x better with a brutalizer and then a bt but they have enough damage to kill squishies even with just a couple dorans exception is like kass and diana assassins only really need levels to kill squishies sure, to kill tanks and bruisers, they needs lots of gold but thats not their job anyway
I think the point he's making is:
Current meta is more assassin mid / tanky jungler and he said he wanted to see more tanky mid / assassin jungler.
The counterpoint was why put tank mid and assassin in the jungle when mid gets a ton more farm than jungle does, and the assassin scales way better off the gold from mid than the tank does.
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What's the tradeoff between AP/lvl and flat MR blues for mid?
Aren't MR blues just better if you plan on trading at any time? What benefits does AP/lvl provide? I can only think of easier creep wave farming with AoE skills
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