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Netherlands4730 Posts
On September 07 2012 05:12 Craton wrote:
Dan Dinh is basically captain hindsight. Every other sentence begins with "so what happened was" where he repeats what just happened after having watched it in slow motion on a replay. Thanks for the recap of 10 seconds ago. The worst part is that his delivery really kills any buzz of excitement the event had caused.
I feel like you dont like Dan Dinh as much, and I feel like he could improve himself on his casting. So what happend was that he wanted to cast profesionally, but I feel like he cant quite get there. But thats just how I feel like
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He couldn't cut it as a top player, so the next best thing involving League was being a caster, but he's not cut out for a top caster, either. Probably is why he's doing the gimmicky telestrator screen.
On September 07 2012 05:43 cLutZ wrote:
My roblem with casters is when they try to explain things that are so basic I feel like an idiot listening.
"The goal is to lasthit minions so you can get gold." or "Taking that first dragon is going to give them global gold."
Then there are the ones who say things that are bizarre/wrong. "Maokai is a really strong farmer against Shyvana."
Sounds like Phreak.
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On September 07 2012 06:22 ihasaKAROT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 05:12 Craton wrote:
Dan Dinh is basically captain hindsight. Every other sentence begins with "so what happened was" where he repeats what just happened after having watched it in slow motion on a replay. Thanks for the recap of 10 seconds ago. The worst part is that his delivery really kills any buzz of excitement the event had caused. I feel like you dont like Dan Dinh as much, and I feel like he could improve himself on his casting. So what happend was that he wanted to cast profesionally, but I feel like he cant quite get there. But thats just how I feel like
I know that feel, bro
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On September 07 2012 05:43 cLutZ wrote:
My roblem with casters is when they try to explain things that are so basic I feel like an idiot listening.
"The goal is to lasthit minions so you can get gold." or "Taking that first dragon is going to give them global gold."
Then there are the ones who say things that are bizarre/wrong. "Maokai is a really strong farmer against Shyvana."
I think it's fine to have one caster like that. The problem is that most casters are like that because the LoL scene is so young.
On September 07 2012 05:47 kainzero wrote:
i max annie W because i harass with stun Q - W. and trading with straight up Q also makes my mana run out fast.
i also tried dfg but i like deathcap because it feels more stable, if you last longer in fights you can get off stronger hits. i think both can work though depending on your style.
I think Yango probably said this better than I can but in match ups where you're perfectly safe and don't have to worry much about losing the lane W max is still best imo. The problem is most lanes are hard for Annie. Q max is really strong for those lanes. I still think that AD or ArmPen reds and/or quints make Annie a pretty solid laner due to her auto attack range. It's really easy to pressure a lot of mids with just autos and well timed Qs.
I've started to prefer DFG first on Annie and honestly a lot of mids that are combo based. The ability to have a guaranteed kill on anyone on the enemy team with DFG is insanely strong.
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On September 07 2012 06:28 Craton wrote:He couldn't cut it as a top player, so the next best thing involving League was being a caster, but he's not cut out for a top caster, either. Probably is why he's doing the gimmicky telestrator screen. Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 05:43 cLutZ wrote:
My roblem with casters is when they try to explain things that are so basic I feel like an idiot listening.
"The goal is to lasthit minions so you can get gold." or "Taking that first dragon is going to give them global gold."
Then there are the ones who say things that are bizarre/wrong. "Maokai is a really strong farmer against Shyvana." Sounds like Phreak.
Jatt's not a top caster, but he's better than Phreak/Riv/Dan Dinh/Hatperson/etc. And let's not forget Moletrap/Torch. Ugh. So horrible.
We're actually pretty damn lucky that Kellymilkies only got to interview, and not cast. That would've been a whole new level of bad.
In terms of casting capability, of the English casters, Panky and Deman are probably better than Jatt.
Maybe more teams should raise their own casters (AL did it with Panky, Dignitas with Apollo for SC2). Because that has worked out well so far. And we see that Jatt, though he's not the best caster, is better than many others due to his experience playing the game.
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Annie should win against Kass in an uninterrupted lane with proper setup imo (autoattacks indeed). The problems arise when you add junglers. Sure, Annie has a stun and all, but Kassadin still seems to be better when it comes to turning ganks into kills (or sending the enemy back). Kassadin also has an easier time escaping from ganks of course.
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On September 07 2012 06:22 ihasaKAROT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 05:12 Craton wrote:
Dan Dinh is basically captain hindsight. Every other sentence begins with "so what happened was" where he repeats what just happened after having watched it in slow motion on a replay. Thanks for the recap of 10 seconds ago. The worst part is that his delivery really kills any buzz of excitement the event had caused. I feel like you dont like Dan Dinh as much, and I feel like he could improve himself on his casting. So what happend was that he wanted to cast profesionally, but I feel like he cant quite get there. But thats just how I feel like
Dan Dinh is the League of Legends version of Gretorp
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On September 07 2012 07:11 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 06:28 Craton wrote:He couldn't cut it as a top player, so the next best thing involving League was being a caster, but he's not cut out for a top caster, either. Probably is why he's doing the gimmicky telestrator screen. On September 07 2012 05:43 cLutZ wrote:
My roblem with casters is when they try to explain things that are so basic I feel like an idiot listening.
"The goal is to lasthit minions so you can get gold." or "Taking that first dragon is going to give them global gold."
Then there are the ones who say things that are bizarre/wrong. "Maokai is a really strong farmer against Shyvana." Sounds like Phreak. In terms of casting capability, of the English casters, Panky and Deman are probably better than Jatt.
And sadly Deman may stop casting if he doesn't land a deal with Riot or some other gaming organization.
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On September 07 2012 06:28 Craton wrote:He couldn't cut it as a top player, so the next best thing involving League was being a caster, but he's not cut out for a top caster, either. Probably is why he's doing the gimmicky telestrator screen. Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 05:43 cLutZ wrote:
My roblem with casters is when they try to explain things that are so basic I feel like an idiot listening.
"The goal is to lasthit minions so you can get gold." or "Taking that first dragon is going to give them global gold."
Then there are the ones who say things that are bizarre/wrong. "Maokai is a really strong farmer against Shyvana." Sounds like Phreak.
I 100% disagree with the fact that Dan "isn't a top player."
Dan is one of the best leaders in the game. I put Dan and Jatt as the two best leaders. If I made a team I would have Dan or Jatt as my jungler, period. Remember when EG was pretty good? They had Dan. Remember how EG isn't as good? They don't have Dan. Mechanically Dan may not be the best player and in solo queue he's willing to take chances that he wouldn't normally take, but don't for a second think that Dan plays competitively like he does in solo queue. Competitive LoL isn't so much about mechanics as it is about strategy and execution of the strategy. I'm not saying that mechanics don't mean anything, but I think people tend to put too much emphasis on them.
I'll try to give you guys some insight into playing competitively that might be lacking on TL (note: this is just my opinion and by no means the final word on competitive play). When I played for Dignitas at IPL the sole reason we won was because of our play calling and cohesiveness. Who called our plays? Our jungler (Jatt). He did a damn fine job of it too. If you guys watch the series on youtube I think we got literally every single dragon in that tournament. If you then watch our teamfighting, Jatt would usually run in and pretty much die, and we would win. Why? Because he knew how to initiate. Initiation does not require much "mechanical" skill, but it requires a good understanding of teamcomposition and each team's current positioning and current powerlevel. You need to know who to initiate on and how the teamfight will play out. Hell, when Jatt was Trundle he would literally pillar, run in, ult a carry, and die. What I find teams are usually missing are good leaders and disciplined players. An example of a lack of discipline would be in a recent game I saw (can't remember if it was a different IPL or not) when Regi as Ahri went for a kill against Elementz's fiddle support in mid lane. While almost killing Elementz, he got feared in the process and Crs came out of the jungle and got a free kill. Even if Regi did get the kill against Elementz most of Crs was missing and there was the chance he would die as well. In a competitive game you shouldn't take those chances. Those kind of mistakes can cause a team to lose the game. At the end of the day a team needs a leader and it needs people willing to follow that leader, otherwise you get bickering and indecision that leads to slow reactions and losses. At IPL we were the most organized team, and I believe it showed.
I would have talked about my time on CLG but that was a couple years ago and everyone was bad at the game. Just for those who don't know, I used to actually play for CLG. The original team was myself, Hotshot, Chauster, Jiji, and Kobe. Elementz ended up taking my spot because I decided it was more important to focus on school at the time (He went to WCG 2010 in my place).
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On September 07 2012 07:07 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 05:43 cLutZ wrote:
My roblem with casters is when they try to explain things that are so basic I feel like an idiot listening.
"The goal is to lasthit minions so you can get gold." or "Taking that first dragon is going to give them global gold."
Then there are the ones who say things that are bizarre/wrong. "Maokai is a really strong farmer against Shyvana." I think it's fine to have one caster like that. The problem is that most casters are like that because the LoL scene is so young.
I don't know. There are no "casters" like that for football, basketball, etc. A good team should have an observer, play-by-play guy (who keeps the flow of the cast and is kinda like a machinegun), and an analysis guy. This is the tried and true method of casting any live event. Now, the NFL screws it up all the time by hiring ex-players who are idiots like Aikman as the "analysis" guy, but when its executed well like Breen/Van Gundy (NBA) it works.
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On September 07 2012 07:23 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:07 overt wrote:On September 07 2012 05:43 cLutZ wrote:
My roblem with casters is when they try to explain things that are so basic I feel like an idiot listening.
"The goal is to lasthit minions so you can get gold." or "Taking that first dragon is going to give them global gold."
Then there are the ones who say things that are bizarre/wrong. "Maokai is a really strong farmer against Shyvana." I think it's fine to have one caster like that. The problem is that most casters are like that because the LoL scene is so young. I don't know. There are no "casters" like that for football, basketball, etc. A good team should have an observer, play-by-play guy (who keeps the flow of the cast and is kinda like a machinegun), and an analysis guy. This is the tried and true method of casting any live event. Now, the NFL screws it up all the time by hiring ex-players who are idiots like Aikman as the "analysis" guy, but when its executed well like Breen/Van Gundy (NBA) it works.
Most of those sports have existed for a century. Virtually everyone knows the basics of them. Video games that are played competitively by and large are not as simplistic as sports are and people can't just start watching them without having at least played it a little bit.
I'm sure if LoL or StarCraft or DotA is played a hundred years from now we won't need that kind of caster. But for now I think it's perfectly fine.
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On September 07 2012 07:27 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:23 cLutZ wrote:On September 07 2012 07:07 overt wrote:On September 07 2012 05:43 cLutZ wrote:
My roblem with casters is when they try to explain things that are so basic I feel like an idiot listening.
"The goal is to lasthit minions so you can get gold." or "Taking that first dragon is going to give them global gold."
Then there are the ones who say things that are bizarre/wrong. "Maokai is a really strong farmer against Shyvana." I think it's fine to have one caster like that. The problem is that most casters are like that because the LoL scene is so young. I don't know. There are no "casters" like that for football, basketball, etc. A good team should have an observer, play-by-play guy (who keeps the flow of the cast and is kinda like a machinegun), and an analysis guy. This is the tried and true method of casting any live event. Now, the NFL screws it up all the time by hiring ex-players who are idiots like Aikman as the "analysis" guy, but when its executed well like Breen/Van Gundy (NBA) it works. Most of those sports have existed for a century. Virtually everyone knows the basics of them. Video games that are played competitively by and large are not as simplistic as sports are and people can't just start watching them without having at least played it a little bit. I'm sure if LoL or StarCraft or DotA is played a hundred years from now we won't need that kind of caster. But for now I think it's perfectly fine.
If you've played even 1 game of league (or any moba) like 1/4 of what they say is insulting.
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On September 07 2012 07:29 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:27 overt wrote:On September 07 2012 07:23 cLutZ wrote:On September 07 2012 07:07 overt wrote:On September 07 2012 05:43 cLutZ wrote:
My roblem with casters is when they try to explain things that are so basic I feel like an idiot listening.
"The goal is to lasthit minions so you can get gold." or "Taking that first dragon is going to give them global gold."
Then there are the ones who say things that are bizarre/wrong. "Maokai is a really strong farmer against Shyvana." I think it's fine to have one caster like that. The problem is that most casters are like that because the LoL scene is so young. I don't know. There are no "casters" like that for football, basketball, etc. A good team should have an observer, play-by-play guy (who keeps the flow of the cast and is kinda like a machinegun), and an analysis guy. This is the tried and true method of casting any live event. Now, the NFL screws it up all the time by hiring ex-players who are idiots like Aikman as the "analysis" guy, but when its executed well like Breen/Van Gundy (NBA) it works. Most of those sports have existed for a century. Virtually everyone knows the basics of them. Video games that are played competitively by and large are not as simplistic as sports are and people can't just start watching them without having at least played it a little bit. I'm sure if LoL or StarCraft or DotA is played a hundred years from now we won't need that kind of caster. But for now I think it's perfectly fine. If you've played even 1 game of league (or any moba) like 1/4 of what they say is insulting.
I have friends who have played with me for two years. Some of them still don't last hit or understand lane control. They pretty much only play Dominion or ARAMs now because Summoner's Rift is 'too hard.'
One of my friends who just got into the game about a month and a half ago doesn't really get how to play lane phase either. She just auto attacks minions and attacks enemy champions if they attack her.
And these people have been playing video games their entire lives. They just aren't used to the genre or they don't really care about personally getting better. To assume that people understand professional League after a few games or even after playing for awhile is something I can't get behind. Sure some of the stuff Rivington points out when he's casting is like, "yeah duh," to most people who take the game seriously but to new comers or people who are just plain bad at LoL it's stuff that they never realized or noticed before.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
is rivington the one who always speaks but never says anything?
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On September 07 2012 07:35 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:29 cLutZ wrote:On September 07 2012 07:27 overt wrote:On September 07 2012 07:23 cLutZ wrote:On September 07 2012 07:07 overt wrote:On September 07 2012 05:43 cLutZ wrote:
My roblem with casters is when they try to explain things that are so basic I feel like an idiot listening.
"The goal is to lasthit minions so you can get gold." or "Taking that first dragon is going to give them global gold."
Then there are the ones who say things that are bizarre/wrong. "Maokai is a really strong farmer against Shyvana." I think it's fine to have one caster like that. The problem is that most casters are like that because the LoL scene is so young. I don't know. There are no "casters" like that for football, basketball, etc. A good team should have an observer, play-by-play guy (who keeps the flow of the cast and is kinda like a machinegun), and an analysis guy. This is the tried and true method of casting any live event. Now, the NFL screws it up all the time by hiring ex-players who are idiots like Aikman as the "analysis" guy, but when its executed well like Breen/Van Gundy (NBA) it works. Most of those sports have existed for a century. Virtually everyone knows the basics of them. Video games that are played competitively by and large are not as simplistic as sports are and people can't just start watching them without having at least played it a little bit. I'm sure if LoL or StarCraft or DotA is played a hundred years from now we won't need that kind of caster. But for now I think it's perfectly fine. If you've played even 1 game of league (or any moba) like 1/4 of what they say is insulting. I have friends who have played with me for two years. Some of them still don't last hit or understand lane control. They pretty much only play Dominion or ARAMs now because Summoner's Rift is 'too hard.' One of my friends who just got into the game about a month and a half ago doesn't really get how to play lane phase either. She just auto attacks minions and attacks enemy champions if they attack her. And these people have been playing video games their entire lives. They just aren't used to the genre or they don't really care about personally getting better. To assume that people understand professional League after a few games or even after playing for awhile is something I can't get behind. Sure some of the stuff Rivington points out when he's casting is like, "yeah duh," to most people who take the game seriously but to new comers or people who are just plain bad at LoL it's stuff that they never realized or noticed before.
Part of it is that they "explain" things, the other part is that they do it in an incredibly condescending manner. The play-by-play guy says, "Jax Toplane is pretty far past river." Then the analysis guy should give a possible reason like "Well he saw jungler in a ward" or "Hes pushing because he is going to go back to buy." Do not say "pushing past river leaves you open to ganks." Announcers are not there to teach players how to play LOL. In fact, watching pros makes bad players WORSE. They think they can towerdive at lvl 4 like "the pros do" etc. Its like watching Lebron dunk over the defender during a 3 on 1, then trying to do that in a pickup game.
Announcers need to bring energy and insight. Not stepladders. My sister would be insulted by the way some of them announce, and her only videogame is pokemon blue.
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On September 07 2012 07:52 kongoline wrote:
eu west down ?
That might explain my problems... I was suddenly trying to reconnect without ever losing internet, so I figured leave and join again might fix it.. went to main screen and the ability to queue again appearantly, so I exit the game and restart it to maybe get a reconnect button..
Get in line to get in, come to #1 to suddenly get a 10 minute wait time as #1 :/
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On September 07 2012 07:46 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
is rivington the one who always speaks but never says anything?
Yes. But he is much better compared to 5-6 months ago.
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I wish you could spectate thru friends sometimes, like if they are spectating, just latch on.
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EPT
