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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On August 23 2012 21:36 Sufficiency wrote: Corki's passive not working on crit is probably fair imo. Caitlyn's passive does not work on crits either. It was a long long time ago but when me and Monte tested Caitlyn her passive actually gave her *more* damage on crits than we expected. It wasn't a huge advantage but it was very real. Riot may have ninja fix'd it by now, or not. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 24 2012 01:01 TheYango wrote: E scales cooldown. When your trading power is heavily centered around the scenario where you have 4-5 Ferocity, scaling CDs which increase the frequency of having 4-5 Ferocity is more important than a token amount of extra damage on Q. Though TBH, even in lane, it might be better to max W for insta-clearing power. That and a 60 armor/MR steroid also wrecks trades, particularly on people that have to commit to it. The advantage of W max isn't just the tankiness and wave clear, but that both your damage and defense are invested in the same ability. If you max anything else first you have to choose between damage and defense, weakening your trades. That W is also magic damage helps because it prevents your opponent from simply grabbing armor to counter you. On August 24 2012 01:44 phyvo wrote: Pulling this from the corki true damage discussion awhile back. It was a long long time ago but when me and Monte tested Caitlyn her passive actually gave her *more* damage on crits than we expected. It wasn't a huge advantage but it was very real. Riot may have ninja fix'd it by now, or not. The oddity is that Caitlyn's passive will do more damage on a crit, but only if you have extra crit damage. So if you have Infinity Edge a Headshot will add 62.5% bonus damage on a crit rather than 50%. It's interesting and odd but not particularly significant. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 24 2012 01:47 Seuss wrote: The advantage of W max isn't just the tankiness and wave clear, but that both your damage and defense are invested in the same ability. If you max anything else first you have to choose between damage and defense, weakening your trades. That W is also magic damage helps because it prevents your opponent from simply grabbing armor to counter you. The oddity is that Caitlyn's passive will do more damage on a crit, but only if you have extra crit damage. So if you have Infinity Edge a Headshot will add 62.5% bonus damage on a crit rather than 50%. It's interesting and odd but not particularly significant. I can't even imagine how they could have coded it to come to that unintended result. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
i could see maxing w first in lane maybe for stronger trades, but in the jungle i will stick with q first. there is not one 'right' way to play any champ. if w first works for you, then great. q first works for me. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:36 sylverfyre wrote: Because it isn't that high. (Innate): Riven's abilities charge her blade, causing her to do 5 / 7 / 9 / 11 / 13 / 15 (+0.5 per bonus attack damage) bonus physical damage on her next autoattack. Riven can store up to 3 charges, and will only expend one at a time. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Riven Solomid.net's guides seem to NEVER have accurate ability info. (that's not even an issue of updating the info, it was NEVER that high.) I know its not that high but i see that on like every guide, cause that'd be kinda broken if it was like that lol | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
On August 24 2012 02:07 Vaporized wrote: emp q + regular q is crazy burst, and the attack speed bonuses stack. emp q adds 150% ad damage to your q which already scales 1.0 ad. you clear the jungle camps fast enough and when you go to gank you need a minimal amount of laner help to get a kill. w defensive bonuses do not stack and the health % returned doesnt scale with additional ranks. i could see maxing w first in lane maybe for stronger trades, but in the jungle i will stick with q first. there is not one 'right' way to play any champ. if w first works for you, then great. q first works for me. "There's no right way to play a champion." ?????? Yes there is, what? Why would you succumb to sub-par performance because "something fits you" better? That's the logic of someone that doesn't care about being good or improving. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
I like your stream when I stumble upon it sometimes btw - keep up the good work  | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
On August 24 2012 02:09 EquilasH wrote: I thought it was 2.5 bonus AD scaling? 2.5 total AD scaling would be absolutely insane o.O im pretty sure the emp q does total ad, around midgame it was adding 250 to my attack, and that seems like about 1.5 of my total ad. not 100% sure on that. it is insane damage tho. rengar has crazy single target burst pretty much through the whole game. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On August 24 2012 02:16 Vaporized wrote: im pretty sure the emp q does total ad, around midgame it was adding 250 to my attack, and that seems like about 1.5 of my total ad. not 100% sure on that. it is insane damage tho. rengar has crazy single target burst pretty much through the whole game. I think we're talking about rengar Empowered Damage: 30 / 55 / 80 / 105 / 130 (+2.5 per attack damage) for Q | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 24 2012 02:10 lastshadow wrote: "There's no right way to play a champion." ?????? Yes there is, what? Why would you succumb to sub-par performance because "something fits you" better? That's the logic of someone that doesn't care about being good or improving. Because Clippity Cloppity man, every jungler should just always rush offensive items and be less tanky than the AD carry. | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
On August 24 2012 02:12 EquilasH wrote: Wait, you play League, LS? I like your stream when I stumble upon it sometimes btw - keep up the good work I started 3weeks ago, but there's the luxury of living in MVP LoL house + they all help me a lot, so I'm really grateful for my situation in started up like this lol. I play on kr, if you have it you can play with me o.o | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On August 24 2012 02:24 iCanada wrote: Because Clippity Cloppity man, every jungler should just always rush offensive items and be less tanky than the AD carry. Well it is fun to troll with builds like that sometimes. Like i usually go wriggles wits ionic zekes on Warwick when i play him. I think that builds got some kind of merit tho cause i always do pretty amazing | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 24 2012 02:00 Feartheguru wrote: I can't even imagine how they could have coded it to come to that unintended result. It's unintuitive, but the equation that's used for calculating a Critical Strike's damage must look something like: Total Damage = Base Damage * Base Crit Modifier * (1 + Crit Damage Modifier / 2) So with Infinity Edge it looks like: Total Damage = Base Damage * 2 * (1 + 50% / 2) Total Damage = Base Damage * 2 * (1 + 25%) Total Damage = Base Damage * 2 * 1.25 Total Damage = Base Damage * 2.5 Caitlyn's Headshot fits into the equation like so. Total Damage = (Base Damage * 2 + Headshot Bonus) * 1.25 Total Damage = (Base Damage * 2 + 50%) * 1.25 Total Damage = (Base Damage * 2.5 + 62.5%) It's weird, but that's how one can make sense of it. On August 24 2012 02:07 Vaporized wrote: emp q + regular q is crazy burst, and the attack speed bonuses stack. emp q adds 150% ad damage to your q which already scales 1.0 ad. you clear the jungle camps fast enough and when you go to gank you need a minimal amount of laner help to get a kill. w defensive bonuses do not stack and the health % returned doesnt scale with additional ranks. i could see maxing w first in lane maybe for stronger trades, but in the jungle i will stick with q first. there is not one 'right' way to play any champ. if w first works for you, then great. q first works for me. You get 2.5 AD scaling on empowered Q whether it's rank 1 or rank 5. All you're getting out of investing in Q is little extra damage and attack speed. W you can actually AoE clear the small camps, chain Ws together for higher uptime on your defenses, tower dive, and sustain yourself in the jungle. | ||
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seanisgrand
United States1039 Posts
Just my humble opinion. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
1 sec CD/45 damage/10 armor+mr and 1 sec CD/45 damage/5% slow are pretty normal per-rank scaling | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 24 2012 02:27 Seuss wrote: It's unintuitive, but the equation that's used for calculating a Critical Strike's damage must look something like: Total Damage = Base Damage * Base Crit Modifier * (1 + Crit Damage Modifier / 2) So with Infinity Edge it looks like: Total Damage = Base Damage * 2 * (1 + 50% / 2) Total Damage = Base Damage * 2 * (1 + 25%) Total Damage = Base Damage * 2 * 1.25 Total Damage = Base Damage * 2.5 Caitlyn's Headshot fits into the equation like so. Total Damage = (Base Damage * 2 + Headshot Bonus) * 1.25 Total Damage = (Base Damage * 2 + 50%) * 1.25 Total Damage = (Base Damage * 2.5 + 62.5%) It's weird, but that's how one can make sense of it. Something like this. Vayne's Tumble adds on to the base damage before crit scaling too. I'm just surprised Corki passive seems to be as well since I thought it added the passive calculation at the end. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 24 2012 02:27 seanisgrand wrote: Maxing W in jungle seems to me to be the better idea. Improved ferocity regeneration, improved resists, improved CD, improved camp clearing, quicker sustain. Just my humble opinion. It is better. Especially in the jungle, it does more damage per level AND hits every creep in the camp. It isn't even close the difference in speed comparing W max to Q max in the jungle. Only way leveling Q is better is is you hitting Q three times for every W... which is literally impossible in the jungle, and after level 2 of W it is impossible in lane too just based on the cooldowns of the two. Not saying that Q isn't good, but I'd much rather use a level 5 W-> lv1 QeQ(255m+(60+(3.5ad))p) than lv1 W->lv5QeQ(75m+(260+(3.5ad))p). The damage you deal is like identical either way just with W max you do half magic damage and half physical damage making it harder to itemize against you in lane, and gives you a stupid amount of free resists meaning you won the trade much harder. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 24 2012 02:35 UniversalSnip wrote: haha the irony. Moonbear complains that reddit talks about the free skin thing and not his tournament analysis and basically calls their content shitty, we then proceed to have several pages of discussion about the skin and have had none about his analysis. Maybe because we can comment in the actual TL thread? | ||
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