EPT[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 118
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
Also his personalized item is really really bad. It puts you back so hard if you are solo top. If you're jungler I also see no use for the AD that it gives. It's a shame they didn't give more bonus movement speed, maybe it would've been worth it. His ultimate is also lackluster; I'm not sure yet if you get ferocity if you get out of stealth immediately or not. His improved abilities are very difficult to time properly. If the target moves away then you're forced to use an improved bola strike on him, instead of extra damage on Q and that can make or break a team fight I think. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On August 23 2012 18:44 Sponkz wrote: Now i feel like a wuss for playing support. Thanks alot  I got the pink taric skin maybe there's something about it. haha me too :< | ||
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bobbob
United States368 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
EDIT: then he got hit by a Zyra E plant, ran to the side brush while Zyra was on pursuit, then he pulled a blue card while in the brush, then failed his flash, only to be saved by Alistar headbutting him away. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On August 23 2012 17:58 zulu_nation8 wrote: thats why im really intrigued by aeliel, i wanna know if its actually possible for a girl to be good at a non support role. I've laned with yoonie a couple times and she probably played like a 1600 level AD. Also having watched itshafu a lot, she has good sense and generally knows what to do on Janna. But you can look good with anything when you're laning with 2500 AD. Have you never played against 9bcake (kyuubicake/daquoise in s1)? She's probably better at akali than westrice and she's hands down the best annie I've ever seen. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
- Q cd made non-scaling, 3.5s instead of 5s to 3s. Makes it easier to not max Q, which is very good to make use of her passive. Subsequent damage nerf is only logical. - W mana cost made scaling (60 -> 100 instead of flat 60), slight damage nerf. Goes hand-in-hand with the Q adjustments to keep its utility w/o making it "free" to max first. We all saw how a spammable AoE nuke with a flat mana cost goes thanks to Diana. - E damage reduced and CD increased. I'm a bit disappointed in this one. If her passive's objective (apart from, as somebody said on reddit, acknowledging that her kit is so good she doesn't need a "real" passive) is too entice you to try and use different skill orders, why hurt the damage and cd so that it's basically a one-point utility wonder? Sure, too much damage/too low cd would be problematic as her ult makes you want cdr and you must take that into account w/ regards to her utility spells. But there's no way I'd build her with E first now, no clearing power before level 7-9 because of that cd. :/ - R damage reduced (ratio for each sphere reduced to 0.15 from 0.2). A bit disappointed too. The animation is particularly badass and there are already better nukers that do it far faster and more easily than her. Considering the amount of setup required to pull off such an execution move, why not keep it rewarding? :/ Other than that, I'm still in love. Maybe I should sign up in PBE? Is it still possible or did they switch to the "only the first 3 days of the month" already? | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On August 23 2012 17:45 Morfildur wrote: Peer pressure. (Warning, huge generalization) Most women start playing in duos and of course every man is at least subconciously thinking "I'm a better player, i play the more important role" or "Men are aggressive, women are passive" and so they play AD carry with the woman supporting. That is why women have most practice as support and end up maining it. Yeah, my sister only mained support as well. Haha, maybe it has something to do being somewhat feminine as well? I am gay and I love to support and jungle (but I only play support junglers such as Maokai, Nunu, Nautilus, and so on) and I initially thought that being gay and support were unrelated but later experience told me otherwise. And the four gay LoL players I know, 3 of them main support as well. It is a rather odd phenomenon, and wasn't Liquid from Crs also gay? | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:31 Nikon wrote: ARAM is so cheaty sometimes, we just had Taric, Sona and Nidalee on our team. Always kill never die hue yea thats why I dont like it. But in Korea it is loved. The one lane mid map is nearly always AR its so annoying | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:33 Shiragaku wrote: Yeah, my sister only mained support as well. Haha, maybe it has something to do being somewhat feminine as well? I am gay and I love to support and jungle (but I only play support junglers such as Maokai, Nunu, Nautilus, and so on) and I initially thought that being gay and support were unrelated but later experience told me otherwise. And the four gay LoL players I know, 3 of them main support as well. It is a rather odd phenomenon, and wasn't Liquid from Crs also gay? idk I played MT and healer in WotLK. I did NOT enjoy healing, but I did it because I was better at it than pretty much every other healer we ever recruited. I mained support for a bit but transitioned out because I just don't like having my fate tied up in other people's hands. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:20 Alaric wrote: Hm... so, comparing Gamescon Syndra to PBE Syndra: - Q cd made non-scaling, 3.5s instead of 5s to 3s. Makes it easier to not max Q, which is very good to make use of her passive. Subsequent damage nerf is only logical. - W mana cost made scaling (60 -> 100 instead of flat 60), slight damage nerf. Goes hand-in-hand with the Q adjustments to keep its utility w/o making it "free" to max first. We all saw how a spammable AoE nuke with a flat mana cost goes thanks to Diana. - E damage reduced and CD increased. I'm a bit disappointed in this one. If her passive's objective (apart from, as somebody said on reddit, acknowledging that her kit is so good she doesn't need a "real" passive) is too entice you to try and use different skill orders, why hurt the damage and cd so that it's basically a one-point utility wonder? Sure, too much damage/too low cd would be problematic as her ult makes you want cdr and you must take that into account w/ regards to her utility spells. But there's no way I'd build her with E first now, no clearing power before level 7-9 because of that cd. :/ - R damage reduced (ratio for each sphere reduced to 0.15 from 0.2). A bit disappointed too. The animation is particularly badass and there are already better nukers that do it far faster and more easily than her. Considering the amount of setup required to pull off such an execution move, why not keep it rewarding? :/ Other than that, I'm still in love. Maybe I should sign up in PBE? Is it still possible or did they switch to the "only the first 3 days of the month" already? TBH I am a little unconvinced that she will be a good AP mid. She can probably shove OK, thus she will do OK in the laning phase. However, I am really annoyed at her ultimate, which is a single target nuke that requires a setup. To me that's really not the kind of ultimate one wants in a teamfight. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:54 Amui wrote: I mained support for a bit but transitioned out because I just don't like having my fate tied up in other people's hands. I don't know about that statement so much. Whenever I play Leona for example and when we want to get aggressive, the AD Carry has to put a lot of faith in my ability to skillshot or else our play will be foiled. Or with Janna, I have to shield properly every single time which is very very important and the ability to whirlwind properly. Your expectations to help the team is just as high as the others. | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:54 Amui wrote: idk I played MT and healer in WotLK. I did NOT enjoy healing, but I did it because I was better at it than pretty much every other healer we ever recruited. I mained support for a bit but transitioned out because I just don't like having my fate tied up in other people's hands. I decided to play healer in WoW because Healer was always needed and nobody wanted to do it. In LoL the same But in WotLK and end of BC I switched to shadowpriest. Maybe I will switch in LoL,too | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 23 2012 20:02 Shiragaku wrote: I don't know about that statement so much. Whenever I play Leona for example and when we want to get aggressive, he has to put a lot of faith in my ability to skillshot or else our play will be foiled. Or will Janna, I have to shield properly every single time which is very very important and the ability to whirlwind properly. Your expectations to help the team is just as high as the others. Didn't Gosu Pepper smurfed an account with 33-4 or something crazy like that in ranked... playing almost only support (he did play one Orianna game... which he LOST). EDIT: here you go. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/32860459#ranked-stats 36-9. Only supports pretty much. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On August 23 2012 18:52 Zhiroo wrote: I don't understand the Valkyrie nerf...WHY?! Corki ezrael graves every single game. I don't think that's right. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On August 23 2012 20:09 Sufficiency wrote: Didn't Gosu Pepper smurfed an account with 33-4 or something crazy like that in ranked... playing almost only support (he did play one Orianna game... which he LOST). Well, a good support can feed a decent AD many kills... but i've seen enough ADs that were still behind after going 4/0 due to a huge CS difference. It really depends from where you start. 1300s, sure, the ADs are decent enough to not completely fail at lasthitting. 1200s... 50/50. Below that you can give your AD so many opportunities for a kill and he will only get himself killed most of the time. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
So yes, you can carry games with support, but if you're a Soraka or a Taric it's probably harder than if you're a Blitz... | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On August 23 2012 20:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: To be fair, he played mostly Blitz and Leona, the two supports that are pretty much the most conducive to making plays and punishing mistakes. Sona too, who has high burst and DPS during lane. So yes, you can carry games with support, but if you're a Soraka or a Taric it's probably harder than if you're a Blitz... aggressive supports are good for making plays. That is why I think if you duo queue with an good AD + aggressive support you can gain the most elo. | ||
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