Wow, finally watching this Tobiwan video, he's really laying into LoL. I like how he starts by saying "I don't hate it and I play it quite a bit" then moves to "The only reason it's around is because Riot throws money at tournaments". I'm not sure if he knows what he's talking about, or if he's just spewing stuff out.

Edit: Lol what, "League of Legends should never have been a competitive game because DotA 2 is the competitive moba".

I don't even?

Abenson

Canada4122 Posts

August 22 2012 14:22 GMT

#2046

On August 22 2012 23:18 Requizen wrote:
Wow, finally watching this Tobiwan video, he's really laying into LoL. I like how he starts by saying "I don't hate it and I play it quite a bit" then moves to "The only reason it's around is because Riot throws money at tournaments". I'm not sure if he knows what he's talking about, or if he's just spewing stuff out.

Edit: Lol what, "League of Legends should never have been a competitive game because DotA 2 is the competitive moba".

I don't even?

It's just a "I LOVE DOTA" video.
Not much to it.

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

August 22 2012 14:25 GMT

#2047

I think that's because "dota came first, therefore dota should have all the credit for making up the moba genre". Dota is the older game, the game developed more than LoL (because it's older) so i kinda understand him to some extent.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

August 22 2012 14:30 GMT

#2048

On August 22 2012 23:25 Sponkz wrote:
I think that's because "dota came first, therefore dota should have all the credit for making up the moba genre". Dota is the older game, the game developed more than LoL (because it's older) so i kinda understand him to some extent.

That's a silly argument. I don't know anyone who honestly believes that LoL is the original moba, other than people completely new to the gaming scene. It's like getting mad at people who played Halo as their first FPS or Pokemon as their first TCG and that they get more press than their more robust and older predecessors. Who cares, seriously?

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Not insinuating that Pokemon is as nearly a good card game as any of the other ones, just making a point.

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

August 22 2012 14:35 GMT

#2049

Apparently he does care, because LoL took the whole pile of money that dota 2 hoped to get. They got beat, f2p is the best way to make people get into a game.

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

August 22 2012 14:37 GMT

#2050

That argument makes no sense though. The red alert series was one of the first modern era RTS games where you built an economy, bases, units, and could fight against other players in a multiplayer setting. But it wasn't really until sc and wc3 that such games actually were seen in real competitive tournies. If you used his logic, then why isn't the red alert series on top, considering they came before sc/wc? Maybe it's because people like sc/wc better? Just because dota and LoL are from the same genre does not mean they are the same game. Some prefer dota, some prefer LoL. It's the same as some people preferring sc over wc3 and visa-versa.

His entire argument boils down to "this game is doing well and it shouldn't because i don't want it to since i like dota more, so dota should be the top dog"

clickrush

Switzerland3257 Posts

August 22 2012 14:46 GMT

#2051

lol fixed alot of stuff that made dota hard for beginners and less competitive players. that is why alot of dota fans don't like lol. The main reason for my switch was a bunch of friends playing lol who didn't get warm with dota and I'am staying here because it is way easyer to get along with people since there is not so much strategic depth as picks go and mistakes are far less punishing. in lol you allways have the feel that you can do sth valuable at any stage with any champion. In dota there are very extreme shifts which makes teamplay far more complicated, especially with strangers.

Nos-

Canada12016 Posts

August 22 2012 14:48 GMT

#2052

LoL also has the stigma of being an easier game within the DotA community, and we all know how that can divide people from BW/SC2.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

August 22 2012 14:56 GMT

#2053

On August 22 2012 23:48 Nos- wrote:
LoL also has the stigma of being an easier game within the DotA community, and we all know how that can divide people from BW/SC2.

It's dumb in both communities. While LoL has a much lower skill floor and is easier for new people to get into, the difference in the skill ceilings doesn't really matter. DotA is slightly mechanically harder and less forgiving, but in the end it's rarely mechanical skill that determines a win and more play/strategy that does. There are some exceptions (DL's amazing control, for instance, timing Smites, etc), but even the team with worse mechanics can win by a large margin via counterpicking, teamcomp, and map control. Like people complaining about SC2 being easier mechanically than BW, ~80% of victory comes from out-playing your opponent, not whether you have better micro than him.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

August 22 2012 14:56 GMT

#2054

On August 22 2012 23:48 Nos- wrote:
LoL also has the stigma of being an easier game within the DotA community, and we all know how that can divide people from BW/SC2.

i've always found that argument absolutely absurd. Nobody goes around saying sport x is easier/harder than sport y, therefore it should get more of the limelight, why should it be any different in esports. It's like saying rugby is harder than football (american), therefore football should go die in a hole. It's just patently absurd.

EquilasH

Denmark2142 Posts

August 22 2012 15:05 GMT

#2055

On August 22 2012 23:17 Wolfstan wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=28490578#post28490578
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2462810&highlight=why be garen when can riven

Recently with the garen change xypherous has stated top lane feels toxic and snowbally. He hints at nerfs and changes in design philosophy regarding champs made for top lane riven/darius/irelia/jax.

Do you guys feel these worries are warranted?

I feel that AD carries are a much more toxic role than top laners, because of how they can almost take out an entire team by themselves if they're protected.

A lot of his concerns are regarding the early game in top and the snowballing that's going on, which are warranted concerns, but I don't know how he'd ever fix those issues.

In a lot of his posts he's also talking about how Riven's ult needs a longer cooldown, but I don't really agree with this approach since Riven is already sitting on 48%-49% winrate in solo queue most of the time anyways.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

August 22 2012 15:07 GMT

#2056

I always thought riven was pretty OP but she relied on getting fed if she was going BT GA so maybe that's why her winrate isnt great.

Lounge

537 Posts

August 22 2012 15:14 GMT

#2057

SoloQ winrate isn't a great way to determine how strong a champion is Alistar has been sub-50% for about a month (actually close to 46%) but I think most people agree he's someone that's ban worthy.

Similar story for Anivia, but just a few GD ago people were claiming she was broken and needed to be nerfed because of how Froggen can play ultimate bravery with her in ranked.

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

August 22 2012 15:15 GMT

#2058

On August 22 2012 21:55 Fuzzmosis wrote:
Rengar seems to be one of those heros that the moment you fall a bit behind, he can do nothing, so he needs his teammates to help.

Double Q? Great 900+ damage burst. And then... well, 260 damage then another 300 for Bola. Not a very impressive lvl18 total for an fighter who is tanky for 3 seconds. Damage is less if you want him to actually be tanky.

I think this may be a rare case of a released hero going to be buffed instead of nerfed in the upcoming patches.

Part of the problem is that people undervalue CDR on Rengar, and insist on weird item choices like Trinity Force when they could have Ghostblade + Phage.

EquilasH

Denmark2142 Posts

August 22 2012 15:15 GMT

#2059

On August 23 2012 00:14 Lounge wrote:
SoloQ winrate isn't a great way to determine how strong a champion is Alistar has been sub-50% for about a month (actually close to 46%) but I think most people agree he's someone that's ban worthy.

Similar story for Anivia, but just a few GD ago people were claiming she was broken and needed to be nerfed because of how Froggen can play ultimate bravery with her in ranked.

The thing with those 2 champions are that they're also amazing for competitive play. Riven, however, shines the most in solo queue IMHO.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

August 22 2012 15:16 GMT

#2060

Because we all know how amazing an item ghostblade is! That's why everyone buys it so much.

If you want CDR you can buy kindlegems and shit. Ghostblade wastes money on a mix of stats that very few champions use well enough to justify it since most of the stats are scaling stats which bruisers can't afford to stack. The active is really good and it's saving grace I guess but you can be stunned out of it easily.